Re: what kind of /etc/fstab is this?

2008-05-24 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Amadeus W.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The benefit is to people with multiple installations because it causes a bunch of issues to use standardized labels. Not related to selinux, not related to encryption, just related to absolutely unique handles. Craig

Re: F8 - F9 horror

2008-05-29 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/5/29 scm in seattle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No I did not read the release notes because... I was NOT intending to upgrade to F9! I did accept the updates that the update notifier prompted for me to accept. Fedora may have bugs, but it doesn't auto update to a different version. Perhaps I

Re: F8 - F9 horror

2008-05-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/5/30 scm in seattle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Surely you can, in some manner... as I replied much earlier, I had by mistake enabled the Rawhide development repository. The scary thing is that the normal/typical update manager found these packages and proceeded to 'upgrade' my system. In effect

Re: KDE 4.1 screen cast.

2008-06-03 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/6/3 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday 03 June 2008 18:31:05 Gilboa Davara wrote: Hello all, Just saw this KDE4.1 screen cast: http://www.ereslibre.es/?p=104 (http://media.ereslibre.es/2008/06/kde41.ogg) Very impressive. Very. It looks as though many of the things we have

Re: KDE 4.1 screen cast.

2008-06-03 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/6/3 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday 03 June 2008 20:53:12 Rex Dieter wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: Fair enough. I haven't done much multimedia lately, so wasn't sure. Thanks for answering offtopic here, but couldn't resist... As a bonus, kde-4.1's kwin will include a plugin

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 1:08 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes mail folders while it is downloading emails from the server. When it does this, it goes

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/6/9 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:56:51 Dan Thurman wrote: 2) I have tried Kmail and again, it has it's own set of problems, one involving threads, Such as? KMail used to crash a lot, and was terrible at filtering. And then got ignored quite a bit with 4.0

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute. People are talking about using maildir format instead of mbox format. Fine. But the original question was about local/offline storage, not the server storage. You can still (sometimes) choose between mbox and mail dir

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/6/11 Daniel B. Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ snip ] Well... I'd have to say that KMail is not for me. It *really* sucks with threading turned on. Are you referring to KMail in DE 3.5? Kmail has (or is soon to be updated) -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com )

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 14:12 -0700, Craig White wrote: [...] still...for exchange server and evolution, I would recommend that you set up the Exchange connector instead of IMAP. Yes, as bad as the Exchange connector

Re: How can we speed up rpm downloads?

2008-06-12 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Justin Conover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any current work on yum-presto, deltarpm or some other method of getting the downloads for updates to be smaller and quicker? Can you compress rpm's to make the the downloads faster? If you have multiple

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10?

2008-06-14 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QUESTION TO DEVELOPERS: Is there any hope of a full KDE 3.5 in F10, plus an upgrade path from F8 to F10 that preserves KDE 3.5 configurations? KDE 4.0 is incomplete and not suitable for most users. KDE 4.1 will be

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10?

2008-06-14 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat June 14 2008 10:18:58 Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any reason not to use F8? I still have F7 on my desktop.. works just fine. I'm writing this in F8

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-14 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat June 14 2008 14:21:29 Antonio Olivares wrote: stay here and write many, many bug reports, rally the troops in hopes of making KDE 4.X the best KDE that is possible, take the positives the good things and try to turn

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-14 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 00:18 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: All the risks were very clear before the release. Everyone is responsible to make an informed decision before upgrading, regardless of the operating system While there's

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-15 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat June 14 2008 22:42:06 Arthur Pemberton wrote: What is your suggestion? We all make mistakes. Some people deny their mistakes. Some people admit their mistakes, learn from them, and grow. The Fedora KDE team has

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-15 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 1:48 AM, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat June 14 2008 23:37:18 Arthur Pemberton wrote: The Fedora KDE team is facing pressure on several fronts Please elaborate. If the team's decision was coerced that would place them in a much less unfavorable light. I

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10?

2008-06-15 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: KDE 4.0 is incomplete and not suitable for most users. Not true, it is completely usable. While the OP was over the top, there are a surprising (to me) number of minor problems with KDE-4 under

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-15 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:22:16 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fedora made the only possible decision. That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. Anyone still trying to delude themselves that fedora

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-15 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 15:19 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:22:16 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fedora made

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10?

2008-06-16 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So with most major distros we get to choose to migrate to KDE 4.x when it's usable for our clients rather than Red Hat pushing KDE 4.x down our throats before it's cooked. Migration will be an annoyance but software freedom

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-17 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Andrew Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 12:17 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Andrew Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 15:03 -0600, linuxguy wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 09:38 -0700

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Bird wrote: My loyalty is to keeping my systems secure and my users productive. It's hard to believe that Red Hat would ship KDE 4.1 in F10, but

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 20 June 2008 21:09:57 Craig White wrote: My experience is that each Linux distribution has its own strengths and weaknesses and that all Linux users benefit from having options. Precisely. I use CentOS where I

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 18:09 -0400, David Boles wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 20 June 2008 21:09:57 Craig White wrote: My experience is that each Linux distribution has its own strengths and weaknesses and

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 18:09 -0400, David Boles wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 20 June 2008 21:09:57 Craig White wrote: My experience is that each Linux distribution has its own strengths and weaknesses and that all

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ snip ] The difference, Kevin, is that Kubuntu shipped KDE 4.x a month before Fedora and will support KDE 3.5 nine months after Fedora ends support. Kubuntu is providing people with three times the transition period that

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-21 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 21 June 2008 00:47:24 Mike Bird wrote: The other distros are supporting both KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.x for one to three years. This allows people to migrate once KDE 4.x meets their needs. As I mentioned elsewhere,

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-21 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 14:36 -0400, David Boles wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:40 +0930, Tim wrote: Totally agree with this. It's hard enough even figuring out what the various mixer

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-23 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Boles wrote: One thing that slightly surprises me is that having a server that runs 5 times as fast, with 4 times as much memory, as my greatly-loved ancient Asus server does not in fact seem to speed anything up

Re: RAID1 in F9

2008-06-27 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'd like to create a RAID1 with 2 500GB HD I got. Can anyone point me to a good step by step howto to do this with Fedora 9? Thanks, EJ Have you considered doing a fresh install and using the GUI partition create to create

Yum auto mirroring?

2008-06-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
What is the status of mirroring yum? I have two machines (soon to be) with F9. I would like to speed things up by hosting some form of mirroring on my Centos5 box. I am thinking Squid, but not sure if that's the best solution. Des anyone have success stories? Squid or otherwise? Ideally I could

Re: Yum auto mirroring?

2008-07-01 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:54 AM, GRAMS, CHRISTIAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not create a local yum repo? No proxy needed. Check this: http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-a-local-yum-repository-fedora8 The problem with that method is the high startup cost and the large amount of waste *

Re: Yum auto mirroring?

2008-07-01 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Matt Domsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:50:36AM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: What is the status of mirroring yum? I have two machines (soon to be) with F9. I would like to speed things up by hosting some form of mirroring on my

Re: Yum auto mirroring?

2008-07-01 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 00:50 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: I would like to speed things up by hosting some form of mirroring on my Centos5 box. I am thinking Squid, but not sure if that's the best solution. Des anyone have success

Re: Yumex cleaned my system..... How do I contact yum-team?

2008-07-01 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:27 PM, DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening (at least it is in Austria!) I'm new to Linux Fedora, last messed with Unix in about '89... I've (eventually) installed F9, with a selection of odds ends, and found that yumex SEEMED to be a better way of updating

Re: KDE 4 is very buggy

2008-07-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 5:51 AM, Rohan Kulkarni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I have installed Fedora 9 with KDE. Currently I am using KDE 4.0.5. But it is very buggy. Konsole hangs several times and starts working after a few minutes. Also whenever I minimize a window,

Re: QEMU in F8/9

2008-07-11 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested in getting QEMU running in F8/9 so that I can install MS Office 2003 and then run Access (which I believe won't run at all in Linux via Wine or Crossover) - I know this would involve installing a virtualised copy of

Re: QEMU in F8/9

2008-07-11 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sieranski, Greg greg.sieranski at quoininc.com writes: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-install-qemu-on-fedora This is a simple guide to get it up and running. Let me know if you have any questions Thanks Greg - cpuple of

Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-13 Thread Arthur Pemberton
How is it that Fedora is not on this list? http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions gNewsSense just recently came around and they are on the list. What's up with that? -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list

Re: QEMU in F8/9

2008-07-14 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mogens Kjaer mk at crc.dk writes: Before creating a virtualized process, check that the CPU does virtualization AND that it is enabled in the BIOS. Actually regular QEMU doesn't use hardware virtualization, you have to use

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-15 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Bjoern Schiessle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Francis Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just putting it out there, but Gnome is a GNU project... or at least it was before the GNOME Foundation was created, and is still advertised as such on GNU's site. GNOME is still

Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

2008-07-18 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 11:40 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. This is in line with current practice of trying to avoid it wherever possible. That's it's not necessary is

Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

2008-07-18 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:18 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: i.e. KDE *knows* the screen is 1440x900, it just doesn't set it up correctly until poked. I don't think this is KDE at work, The is kxrandy or what ever

Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

2008-07-18 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 22:15 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 22:06:15 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:18 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: i.e. KDE *knows* the screen is 1440x900

Problems with wireless (AR5007E) and standby on notebook

2008-07-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
First of, here is the smolt profile for the machine: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4e28d6bb-5fee-4152-a260-f08ff80399e5 Check the link there on the Atheros card for info on what I have done with it so far. The gist of the matter is that as is if the notebook lid is closed (goes to

Re: Problems with wireless (AR5007E) and standby on notebook

2008-07-27 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: First of, here is the smolt profile for the machine: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4e28d6bb-5fee-4152-a260-f08ff80399e5 Check the link there on the Atheros card for info on what I have done

Re: Fedora 9, installed, but no desktop

2008-07-31 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:42 AM, whoosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30-Jul-08 21:57:48 Arkadiy Butermanov wrote: 2008/7/31 whoosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have Fedora 9 now installed. Had to do some rearranging of drives. with Fedora Core 3 the boot up led to a choice of desktops. but

Re: Fedora 9, installed, but no desktop

2008-07-31 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:52 AM, whoosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which I suspect means he did the install in text mode, I had to as the graphical install has bugs, There in is the cause. Once you install in text-mode, it assumes that you had a good reason for doing so and so doesn't default to

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: Seems like PulseAudio is the way forward towards reducing the myriad of other ways. What problem do you have with it besides that it is new? If PulseAudio is what comes standard with FC9

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: I'm sorry to hear that... but I don't think PulseAudio has anything to do with drivers. As I understand it, it's more of an abstraction system so applications need not support, ALSA, OSS, etc

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:02:10 -0500 Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like PulseAudio is the way forward towards reducing the myriad of other ways. What problem do you have with it besides that it is new

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:11:57 -0500 Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here, I think a compromise is necessary. If you're running a server, I think you're competent enough to turn of NetworkManager (it was really

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 10 August 2008 20:54, Russell Miller wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russell, I've got a K9A Platinum. I've had sound working from day one, with a better set of

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/8/10 Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russell, I've got a K9A Platinum. I've had sound working from day one, with a better set of drivers and a better mixer. The difference is that I went to After I fixed

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/8/10 Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After I fixed that wonderful permissions problem it almost all started working. I can't get youtube videos to work for some reason, and the USB audio adapter I just bought refuses to output stuff, but the azalia is working. But then I tried to

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/8/10 Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In all fairness Russel, unless you specifically want to mess with this problem, the common way is to use Livna/Atrpms.. Livna even has a kernel independent package whose name i can't remember which will/should work with any kernel. So really,

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: yum install libflashsupport from the Adobe repo It comes from the Fedora repo and not the Adobe repo. It is a hack to workaround the broken way in which Flash uses ALSA. This has been fixed

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/8/10 Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yum install libflashsupport from the Adobe repo That did the trick, thanks. But I had to yum install libflashsupport.i386. I got the advice via irc://freenode/fedora myself, didn't need the i386 suffix however. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of

Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)

2008-08-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/8/10 Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A newbie would likely either stick with the OSS drivers, (assuming they get at least 1024x768) or they would Google it, or they would give up. That last option is to me

Re: F8 vs F9

2008-08-12 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 12 August 2008 19:54, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: Em Ter 12 Ago 2008, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED escreveu: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code

Re: F8 vs F9

2008-08-13 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 14:08 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 09:42 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 12 August 2008 15:50

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II

2008-08-13 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II

2008-08-13 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. It has. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Sucks for you. Say whatever

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II

2008-08-13 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:28 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II

2008-08-13 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:38 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II

2008-08-14 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arthur Pemberton pemboa at gmail.com writes: How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. Can any core member of the KDE SIG confirm/deny regret

Re: How secure is Fedora without SELinux ?

2008-08-14 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:00 AM, David Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How secure is a current Fedora (9) system without SELinux? Of course it is less secure than the same system with SELinux enabled, but is it still at the same level of security as any other Linux distribution that doesn't

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II

2008-08-15 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 6:22 AM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:30 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:38 -0600, linuxguy wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed

Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530

2008-08-18 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Marcelo M. Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: max wrote: Tim wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 15:13 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: So, is it safe to apply updates? I wondered that, too. The original posting was too vague. You can't tell if they're just fixing a

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II

2008-08-19 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Ric Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. It has. I've

Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530

2008-08-19 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Ralf Corsepius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:04 +0930, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 10:15 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Is the annouce list the best thing we can do? Well, those who *want* to know these things, Wanting to know isn't the

NetworkManager-pptp for F9

2008-08-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
I am in need of NetworkManager-pptp for a friends Fedora 9 machine. Any suggestions? I would prefer to stick with an RPM, but I am keen to any suggestions. Arthur Pemberton -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com

Re: Signing for fedora-announce with fedora-list (was Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530)

2008-08-21 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Roger Grosswiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:36:45 +0200 (CEST), Roger Grosswiler wrote: Maybe because English is not my native tongue, but the word announcement doesn't to suggest something that important. Announcements at the airport

Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-19 UTC 0200

2008-08-21 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Jim Cornette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:35:20 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: I myself am not on the announce list Why not? Because I never thought the list was informative. So you made your own decision. That seems

Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?

2008-08-22 Thread Arthur Pemberton
hog. I got no advice.. just questions. Is there anything special about your install? I have done two F9 installs so far, both with embedded sound cards however, and have had zero audio issues. Also, what does `lspci` say about your sound card? Arthur Pemberton -- Fedora 7 : sipping some

Re: non-disclosure of infrastructure problem a management issue?

2008-08-22 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/8/22 Björn Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: fredagen den 22 augusti 2008 skrev Tim: On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 16:08 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: There was an intrusion, and it affected the server which signs packages, hence the warning to hold off until tests had been done. They really should have

Re: non-disclosure of infrastructure problem a management issue?

2008-08-22 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:40 AM, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the very least it should be suggested, recommended, or maybe an 'auto signup' when signing up for any other of the 'public type' lists. For them, the newer users, because it is important. Those of us with experience know, or

Re: non-disclosure of infrastructure problem a management issue?

2008-08-23 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Bjørn Tore Sund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you pulling updated from the internet or are you pulling from a local cache of tested updates. I have often wished we had the manpower to do the latter. Unfortunately, we don't, so the local mirror is exactly that, a

Re: non-disclosure of infrastructure problem a management issue?

2008-08-24 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 15:15 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:09:53 -0700 Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just curious Frank...if you don't trust Fedora Project people to do the right thing, why are

Re: Where is php installed

2008-08-27 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:05 AM, Sanjay S Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I want to add gd to php. For that i want to know the installation location of php Could anybody tell me the default installation directory of php and apache. Thanks `yum install gd` to install gd If you still

Re: The Scope and Ownership of fedora-list

2008-08-27 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 11:47 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: p=p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);};main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} Not being a programmer or anything, WHAT in the heck IS that? LOL I copied and pasted it into a

Re: Virus software? do I need it?

2008-08-27 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeffrey Engle wrote: Is virus software a must have? I'm trying Fedora 9, used Mac OS X for years without it. What say you? Jeff I hope you mean anti-virus software. If you use Samba serve files to Windows machines,

Re: Ping KDE users

2008-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 August 2008 15:28:06 Ian Pilcher wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I'm collecting some informal statistics to help the KDE usability group. Could you please email me off-list with replies to the following

Re: Ping KDE users

2008-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Colin J Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 August 2008 23:07:09 Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 August 2008 15:28:06 Ian Pilcher wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I'm

Re: Ping KDE users

2008-09-02 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On 9/1/08, Bill Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/08/2008, Ian Pilcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect you're going to find that most real users of KDE (i.e. people who use it for real work) are still using KDE 3.5. Yup. Stuck with F8 in the office (though the weak multi-head

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

2008-09-02 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:01 AM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where the #$%^*( is KDE4.1 ? And don't tell me its in testing ! I don't want to be a beta tester anymore. The infrastructure issues have put a serious delay on all packages that needed to be moved from updates-testing to

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

2008-09-02 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:23 AM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:41 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: linuxguy wrote: So where the #$%^*( is KDE4.1 ? And don't tell me its in testing ! If it makes you feel better, we had queue'd it for stable shortly before all the

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

2008-09-02 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 17:00 +0100, dexter wrote: On Tue September 2 2008 09:23:17 linuxguy wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:41 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: linuxguy wrote: So where the #$%^*( is KDE4.1 ? And don't

Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

2008-09-02 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Steve Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Around 08:06pm on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 (UK time), Arthur Pemberton scrawled: Or: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing groupupdate KDE I wish that option was listed in `yum -h` It is: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]:~)$ yum -h

Re: Can't switch to KDE

2008-09-04 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:38:12 Aaron Konstam wrote: I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing: ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go

Re: Can't switch to KDE

2008-09-04 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:57 PM, landon kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went through this when I installed F9 switchdesk is DEAD I once used switchdesk to switch to KDE but no more On the login page at the lower left is an icon to allow the choice of desktop manager KDE GNOME

Re: Recent KDE poll

2008-09-05 Thread Arthur Pemberton
KDE and all Linux software that is not only text based is very buggy. You can then definitely say that Microsoft has got us at the ease of install, updating/upgrading, and stability. Who ever wrote this must have a special copy of Windows. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine (

Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]

2008-09-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Tony Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 07 September 2008 09:23:16 Ed Greshko wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 07 September 2008, Tony Molloy wrote: On Sunday 07 September 2008 07:49:18 David C. Chipman wrote: On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:03:08 -0500

locking down Xorg resolution

2008-09-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
Since F7, I have been unable to simply do a graphical boot with my monitor off. Whenever the monitor is off, xorg ignores /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and chooses its own incorrect resolution. How do I lock this down so that I do not need to turn on my monitor before every boot? The solution on such a bad

locking down device names

2008-09-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
I have two tv cards, and one relies on the sound card for audio. sometimes it is at /dev/dsp and other times it is at /dev/dsp2 How can I lock this down? -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: KDE 4.1: Unacceptable ! Was: whew ! That is more like it ! Folderview and panel questions...

2008-09-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:24 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't begin to explain what a letdown F9 has been, between the KDE fiasco and the update security issue. This is totally unlike any other RH/F experience I have ever had. This is clearly a matter of opinion. -- Fedora 9

Re: KDE 4.1: Unacceptable ! Was: whew ! That is more like it ! Folderview and panel questions...

2008-09-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 12:24 -0600, linuxguy wrote: What is totally unacceptable is to ship an OS that totally lacks the very basic functionality that one uses everyday. KDE is not an OS. I really didn't think

Re: KDE 4.1 Desktop, folder view, panel and widget tips and tricks thread.

2008-09-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: http://userbase.kde.org/ , for those that need it. You mean there are people that can not figure it out from the new Userbase wiki - userbase.kde.org? It may be easy to figure out, but it

Re: KDE 4.1: Unacceptable ! Was: whew ! That is more like it ! Folderview and panel questions...

2008-09-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Stevens wrote: Yes--especially when the release notes for F9 state in no uncertain terms that KDE 4.x was a work in progress and the 4.0 version included in F9 was a prerelease. The OP has no one to blame but

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