poweroff does not switch to vt1 (does not show shutdown messages)

2010-01-06 Thread nodata
Hi, When a Fedora user types poweroff or uses the GUI to shutdown the computer, Fedora does not switch to the vt where the messages are being displayed. Is there a reason for this? p.s. yes I bug reported this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533295 -- fedora-devel-list

RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread nodata
I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should ever take keyboard focus away from that window. Clearly I'm missing something, otherwise we

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread nodata
Am 2010-01-06 18:17, schrieb Matthew Booth: On 06/01/10 17:00, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 11:36 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: On 1/6/10 11:07 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: PGA. Here's the challenge. To reply to this mail, I hit control-shift-r in one evo window, and evo opened a new

Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.

2010-01-06 Thread nodata
Am 2010-01-06 21:59, schrieb Owen Taylor: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:00 +0100, nodata wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-17 Thread nodata
Am 2009-12-17 10:36, schrieb Otto Haliburton: -Original Message- From: fedora-devel-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-devel-list- boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of nodata Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 01:01 To: Development discussions related to Fedora Subject: Re: packages

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-17 Thread nodata
Subject: Re: packages requiring me to reboot... Am 2009-12-16 18:21, schrieb Seth Vidal: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote: we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing what does and does not need a reboot. All I'm saying is - we've not taken away any option

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread nodata
Am 2009-12-16 17:51, schrieb Seth Vidal: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/16/2009 11:43 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: you're an experienced user? You're comfortable knowing what does and what does not require a reboot? Then why are you using PK? Disable pk and do the updates directly

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread nodata
Am 2009-12-16 18:21, schrieb Seth Vidal: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote: we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing what does and does not need a reboot. All I'm saying is - we've not taken away any option, the experienced user can do what they want. -sv

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread nodata
Am 2009-12-17 00:08, schrieb Jeff Spaleta: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes— users with more expertise are more likely to complain about this, but thats not reason to dismiss the issue. If there were truly a disconnect here betweens the needs of the

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-15 Thread nodata
Am 2009-12-15 17:50, schrieb Nathanael D. Noblet: Hello, I feel like there are an increasing number of packages requiring a system reboot. I'm wondering why. The following updates were installed today, and required a full system reboot. I can't seem to find any package in the list that I can

Re: Thunderbird crashing while trying to send e-mail (apparently trouble while composing message)

2009-12-03 Thread nodata
Am 2009-12-03 13:19, schrieb casimiro barreto: Since November 29 I detected that thunderbird is crashing whenever I try to send e-mail. Bugzilla report filled (I see that several other users have had the same problem also reported). But it appears in bugzilla as a low priority medium severity

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12?

2009-11-28 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-27 04:53, schrieb Kevin Kofler: Terry Barnaby wrote: I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5 different ones). All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups, system lockups and other problems) mainly in 3D but also in 2D. That's surprising as

Re: Fedora 12 Extremely Unstable

2009-11-24 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-25 03:08, schrieb brad longo: I just installed Fedora 12, to replace Fedora 11, and I have some bugs but I'm not sure where to file them. Please help me get these into bugzilla as they are urgent. 1. Fedora 12 crashes frequently and makes it almost unusable for me. It seems

Re: Security policy oversight needed?

2009-11-19 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-19 00:58, schrieb Chris Adams: After seeing two conflicts over PolicyKit default policies allowing unprivileged to do things that previously only root could do, it seems to me that there needs to be some kind of oversight on security policy for the distribution. Right now, any

Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Yikes! When was it decided that non-root users get to play root? Ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047 This is horrible! -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 18:08, schrieb nodata: Yikes! When was it decided that non-root users get to play root? Ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047 This is horrible! Just to elaborate: A local user is allowed to install software on the machine without being prompted for the root

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 18:14, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 11/18/2009 10:38 PM, nodata wrote: Yikes! When was it decided that non-root users get to play root? Ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047 This is horrible! The subject of the mail doesn't actually match the description

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 18:45, schrieb Bastien Nocera: On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 18:08 +0100, nodata wrote: Yikes! When was it decided that non-root users get to play root? Ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047 This is horrible! Seems fair as the default for a desktop installation

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 18:48, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 11/18/2009 11:19 PM, nodata wrote: Thanks. I have changed the title to: All users get to install software on a machine they do not have the root password to .. if the packages are signed and from a signed repository. So, you left out

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 19:04, schrieb Seth Vidal: On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Jon Ciesla wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Jon Ciesla wrote: nodata wrote: Am 2009-11-18 18:08, schrieb nodata: Yikes! When was it decided that non-root users get to play root? Ref: https

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 19:18, schrieb Colin Walters: Hi, On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM, nodatal...@nodata.co.uk wrote: Yikes! When was it decided that non-root users get to play root? This is hardly the first uid 0 operation we've granted users access to in the operating system, and it won't be

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 19:28, schrieb Seth Vidal: On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 13:10 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: Maybe you have a different concept of security, but I don't want any user on the server installing software, no matter what. right - which is why I

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 19:16, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 17:45:26 +, Bastien Nocerabnoc...@redhat.com wrote: Once we get the new user management stuff into F13 [1], we'd probably tighten that rule so that only admins are given the option, or all users but with the need to

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 19:50, schrieb Tony Nelson: On 09-11-18 13:44:43, nodata wrote: Am 2009-11-18 19:16, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 17:45:26 +, Bastien Nocerabnoc...@redhat.com wrote: Once we get the new user management stuff into F13 [1], we'd probably tighten

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 19:14, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 11/18/2009 11:44 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Besides other issues listed, the packages being installed may be privileged programs that the admin doesn't want on the system, may start services or schedule runs at specified times by default which

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 20:20, schrieb Richard Hughes: 2009/11/18 Casey Dahlincdah...@redhat.com: By the admin's first opportunity to change the settings the box could already be rooted. I'm not sure how you can root a computer from installing signed content by a user that already has physical access

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 20:35, schrieb Matthew Garrett: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 07:42:51PM +0100, nodata wrote: Err no. Admins trusts software he has chosen to install from the repo. I definitely don't want a user configuring an ftp server or running anything with a cronjob on a server I look after

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 21:02, schrieb Peter Jones: On 11/18/2009 01:52 PM, nodata wrote: Am 2009-11-18 19:50, schrieb Tony Nelson: On 09-11-18 13:44:43, nodata wrote: Am 2009-11-18 19:16, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 17:45:26 +, Bastien Nocerabnoc...@redhat.comwrote

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 21:20, schrieb Jeff Spaleta: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Konstantin Ryabitsev i...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Yes, this is security trade-off -- and with valid arguments. Does it make sense to have this as a default configuration for a desktop-oriented distribution? Quite

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 20:50, schrieb Jesse Keating: On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 20:34 +0100, nodata wrote: If the servers are in locked racks and you require a reboot to get access to a grub prompt which is not password protected, then the outage would trip the monitoring system. The server is in a locked

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 21:27, schrieb Seth Vidal: 2009/11/18 nodata l...@nodata.co.uk: Am 2009-11-18 20:20, schrieb Richard Hughes: 2009/11/18 Casey Dahlincdah...@redhat.com: By the admin's first opportunity to change the settings the box could already be rooted. I'm not sure how you can root

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 21:27, schrieb nodata: Am 2009-11-18 21:20, schrieb Jeff Spaleta: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Konstantin Ryabitsev i...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Yes, this is security trade-off -- and with valid arguments. Does it make sense to have this as a default configuration

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 22:08, schrieb Richard Hughes: 2009/11/18 Steve Grubbsgr...@redhat.com: And I wonder what the audit trail will show? Does it show which user installed these packages? Yup, take a look at pkcon get-transactions or just use gpk-log to see it graphically. Richard. This should

Re: RFC: Btrfs snapshots feature for F13

2009-11-17 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-17 19:33, schrieb Alexander Boström: tis 2009-11-17 klockan 02:48 -0500 skrev Jeff Garzik: A bloody awful solution, especially when you consider that btrfs' maintainer Chris Mason is adding support for real userland transactions (via some additional ioctls). Yes. But the draft

Re: Xorg and multitouch

2009-11-17 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-18 00:19, schrieb Adam Williamson: On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 22:44 +, Ikem Krueger wrote: Some news? Planned for Fedora 13? The X level support is already in F12 - see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XI2 . Application level support will come later Is multi-touch the same

Re: Kernel installs not showing up in grub.conf

2009-11-07 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-06 20:00, schrieb Ahmed Kamal: Seems like I'm hitting https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530108 since I'm btrfs root. The updated grubby seems not pushed out yet On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to mailto:br...@wolff.to wrote: On Thu, Nov 05,

Re: RPM dependency on cron

2009-11-07 Thread nodata
Am 2009-11-06 14:40, schrieb Benny Amorsen: We have a lot of virtualized (OpenVZ) Fedora servers. Until now I have avoided running cron inside each server; log rotation is done from the host. This has worked rather well until lately. Unfortunately rpm has acquired a dependency on crontabs,

Re: Eternal 'good file hashes' list

2009-10-21 Thread nodata
Am 2009-10-21 08:47, schrieb Ralf Ertzinger: Hi. On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:40:46 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: In most cases, you can get that information from the original RPM compared to the system... if you have the RPM :). rpm -Vppackage_file_goes_here Which is pretty much what I

Re: Thunderbird 3.0rc1

2009-10-20 Thread nodata
Am 2009-10-19 23:17, schrieb Matěj Cepl: Dne 19.10.2009 21:05, mcloaked napsal(a): I don't know if you saw the rather extended thread recently concerning the release of thunderbird 3.0b4 but there were significant problems with GLODA. Were there any other problems than OMG, indexing my 2.5GB

Re: Eternal 'good file hashes' list

2009-10-20 Thread nodata
Am 2009-10-20 14:12, schrieb Ralf Ertzinger: Hi. On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:00:50 -0400 (EDT), Seth Vidal wrote: You could, of course, just have koji keep the pkgs and then you could use the existing metadata to grab the header from the pkgs and access the information that way. That would be a

Re: Eternal 'good file hashes' list

2009-10-20 Thread nodata
Am 2009-10-20 22:26, schrieb Seth Vidal: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: Hi. On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:15:46 -0400 (EDT), Seth Vidal wrote Record original copies of the config files and tuck them away - heck you could save off a copy of the pkg hdrs if you wanted to. Hm. The

rpmnew files

2009-10-20 Thread nodata
Hi, What's with the extra rpmnew files on an upgrade? Some examples: # md5sum /etc/pki/tls/openssl.cnf.rpmnew /etc/pki/tls/openssl.cnf 7c8f8d809c5b618e1604207525161101 /etc/pki/tls/openssl.cnf.rpmnew 7c8f8d809c5b618e1604207525161101 /etc/pki/tls/openssl.cnf # ls -la

Re: Eternal 'good file hashes' list

2009-10-20 Thread nodata
Am 2009-10-20 23:48, schrieb Till Maas: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:20:17AM +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: What would this be good for? Actually for some files it would be a known bad file hashes because these files (binaries or scripts) would contain known vulnerabilities and so knowing that you

Re: Bugzilla Desktop Client

2009-09-06 Thread nodata
Am Sonntag, den 06.09.2009, 12:00 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 09/05/2009 11:06 PM, Rajkarn Singh wrote: Hi, I am working on the development of a general Desktop Client for Bugzilla. Currently it can access Red Hat Bugzilla database, however in future I'd be working to make it work

Re: Bugzilla Desktop Client

2009-09-06 Thread nodata
Am Sonntag, den 06.09.2009, 16:09 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 09/06/2009 03:55 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: Has not abrt already done this simplicity for most users? it also takes care of backtrace. This is already answered in the front page of the project. To summarize again: abrt

Re: Bugzilla Desktop Client

2009-09-06 Thread nodata
Am Sonntag, den 06.09.2009, 12:00 +0100 schrieb Frank Murphy: On 06/09/09 11:50, nodata wrote: --snip-- Is the abrt data stored in bugzilla? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ABRT So it does. Okay. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https

Where are selinux workarounds/exceptions/hacks tracked?

2009-09-05 Thread nodata
I remember ages and ages ago when selinux first came to Fedora that lots of apps (Java, flash, Mozilla/Firefox) didn't work because the apps did dodgy things with memory. I was wondering if these dodgy things still existed, and if they did, what effort was being put into making them go away? Is

Re: Raising the bar

2009-06-29 Thread nodata
Am Montag, den 29.06.2009, 15:27 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen: Hey all, we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We want to identify the small (and

Re: Photos

2006-05-23 Thread nodata
The following comment applies to everyone, not just Thijs: PLEASE do not upload your entire address book (which may include fedora-ambassadors-list or other Fedora addresses) to ANY third-party service, and NEVER include ANY Fedora address when mass-mailing ANYTHING. Aside from concerns

Re: Fedora Logo: Modifications and a new one

2005-11-08 Thread nodata
Hello, I read about the new logo on Fedora People. Might as well throw in my opinion :) It's too clever. The first time I saw the proposed logo I thought to myself Why on earth is there a Möbius strip in the logo?. I don't want to have to understand a logo. What about a logo that can be good

Re: Fedora Logo: Modifications and a new one

2005-11-08 Thread nodata
nodata wrote: Hello, I read about the new logo on Fedora People. Might as well throw in my opinion :) It's too clever. The first time I saw the proposed logo I thought to myself Why on earth is there a Möbius strip in the logo?. I don't want to have to understand a logo. Logos dont

Re: Fedora Logo: Modifications and a new one

2005-11-08 Thread nodata
Hi But not understanding a logo is distracting and annoying. Is that good? Is it really?. Examples have been given before. What your understanding of the Nike logo?. Is that somehow immediately visible to anyone who sees it?. Fedora represents many things to many different people. Its my

Re: Fedora Logo: Modifications and a new one

2005-11-08 Thread nodata
Hi I look at the Nike logo and see a tick. That's all the thought I gave to it. I looked at the proposed Fedora logo, and saw a Möbius strip, with white and light blue, then wondered why it had two colours, then saw the f, then wondered why the rest of the strip was light blue, then wondered