Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-07 Thread Robin Laing
On 12/31/2009 01:49 AM, Garrick Sitongia wrote: I just installed Fedora for the first time on my Windows/Linux dual boot system. The Fedora installer gave me the option of installing over the present linux installation on the disk, an old Mandriva version. I assumed this meant the operating

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-05 Thread Tim
Tim: If you're the sort that uses one huge partition for everything (and that does seem to be the recommendation, these days), *and* you never intend to add a second drive, then LVM is pointless to you. R. G. Newbury: ONE HUGE PARTITION? I'd like to know who is crazy enough to recommend

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 18:31 +1030, Tim wrote: Keeping a /home between installs has some problems, too. You find that certain things don't like your old .configuration files. That's true independently of how you partition. Even if you do reformat /home, presumably you backup and restore your

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-05 Thread Jud Craft
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:29 AM, John Aldrich wrote:  It's all there in the GUI, and it's completely configurable. Nothing is  forced down on you, AFAIK. That's true. However, it *defaults* to LVM. i.e., users who did not change the defaults/do not know the implications of the defaults/do not

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-04 Thread Joel Rees
Yes, and I did, mostly with custom, over and over again. Id est, I tried to increase the size of /boot any way I could, and never found any way to add a single byte. Are you talking about increasing the size of /boot before or after the install? (I can't tell.) Incidentally, my memory

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-02 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 20:20 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Clearly we have different needs. I've never needed to do any of those things without stopping the system. In fact the adding space thing is probably what looks most attractive, but I'm paranoid about disk failure so I can't see

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 20:10:37 +1030, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: The only advantage I found for using LVM on my laptop was encryption. I could have the encompassing LVM volume encrypted, and as many partitions as I liked, and only have to unlock the outer container. Using

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 20:10 +1030, Tim wrote: If you're the sort that uses one huge partition for everything (and that does seem to be the recommendation, these days), *and* you never intend to add a second drive, then LVM is pointless to you. I keep /, /boot and /home on separate partitions

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-02 Thread John Aldrich
On Friday 01 January 2010, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Friday 01 January 2010 19:31:07 BeartoothHOS wrote: I know Anaconda offers an option to *hide* LVM, but I don't recall any choice to eschew it entirely. Am I just having a memory lapse? Ehmm, during the installation, at some point

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-02 Thread Beartooth Comcast
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Friday 01 January 2010 19:31:07 BeartoothHOS wrote: I know Anaconda offers an option to *hide* LVM, but I don't recall any choice to eschew it entirely. Am I just having a memory lapse? Ehmm, during the installation, at some point

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-02 Thread R. G. Newbury
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:10:37 +1030, Tim wrote It makes almost no sense to use it on laptops, where you can only have single drive (adding an outboard drive is quite impractical, you'd end up with a box of bits all cabled together). And you face the difficulty of finding recovery tools for

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 11:35 -0500, Beartooth Comcast wrote: I tried to increase the size of /boot any way I could, and never found any way to add a single byte. Note that you can only do that if there's unassigned space after the partition you want to grow. If there isn't, you have to create

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-01 Thread Garrick Sitongia
I think it possible to recover the files in the partitions wiped by the Fedora installer. Testdisk correctly found the partitions I want to recover, but it says they are corrupted (stop). Data Recovery Wizard Professional recovered the file tree of one partition and the raw files of the other

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-01 Thread Garrick Sitongia
I think it possible to recover the files in the partitions wiped by the Fedora installer. Testdisk correctly found the partitions I want to recover, but it says they are corrupted (stop). EASEUS Data Recovery Wizard Professional recovered the file tree of one partition and the raw files of the

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-01 Thread Garrick Sitongia
I think it possible to recover the files in the partitions wiped by the Fedora installer. Testdisk correctly found the partitions I want to recover, but it says they are corrupted (stop). A commercial trial software showed it can recover the file tree of one partition and the raw files of the

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-01 Thread John Aldrich
On Thursday 31 December 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: A large number of RHEL sites _will_ make use of LVM (indeed, may even require LVM). We are, remember, the experimental lab rats for the eventual RHEL releases, so LVM must be tested as thoroughly as the rest of the system. I for

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-01 Thread BeartoothHOS
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:17:40 -0500, John Aldrich wrote: On Thursday 31 December 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Somewhat OT: IMHO one thing that makes installing Fedora harder than it needs to be for the majority of users is the default use of LVM. I've been using Fedora since before it was

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-01 Thread Chris Tyler
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 19:47 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Somewhat OT: IMHO one thing that makes installing Fedora harder than it needs to be for the majority of users is the default use of LVM. I've been using Fedora since before it was Fedora, and have *never* had a situation in which

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-01 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 15:02 -0500, Chris Tyler wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 19:47 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Somewhat OT: IMHO one thing that makes installing Fedora harder than it needs to be for the majority of users is the default use of LVM. I've been using Fedora since before it

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-01 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 19:31 +, BeartoothHOS wrote: On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:17:40 -0500, John Aldrich wrote: On Thursday 31 December 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Somewhat OT: IMHO one thing that makes installing Fedora harder than it needs to be for the majority of users is the

Re: Installation plays hardball

2010-01-01 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 01 January 2010 19:31:07 BeartoothHOS wrote: I know Anaconda offers an option to *hide* LVM, but I don't recall any choice to eschew it entirely. Am I just having a memory lapse? Ehmm, during the installation, at some point Anaconda will ask you how you want the disk set up,

Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Garrick Sitongia
I just installed Fedora for the first time on my Windows/Linux dual boot system. The Fedora installer gave me the option of installing over the present linux installation on the disk, an old Mandriva version. I assumed this meant the operating system partition. There were 2 other unrelated ext3

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread John Aldrich
On Thursday 31 December 2009, Garrick Sitongia wrote: I just installed Fedora for the first time on my Windows/Linux dual boot system. The Fedora installer gave me the option of installing over the present linux installation on the disk, an old Mandriva version. I assumed this meant the

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Colin Paul Adams
John == John Aldrich jmaldr...@yahoo.com writes: John As I said, you need to choose to use a custom partition John scheme, otherwise, Fedora will wipe every linux partition as John happened to you. Granted, it's not obvious, but if you've John been playing with linux for more

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 12:13 +, Colin Paul Adams wrote: John == John Aldrich jmaldr...@yahoo.com writes: John As I said, you need to choose to use a custom partition John scheme, otherwise, Fedora will wipe every linux partition as John happened to you. Granted, it's not

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Mike Chambers
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 13:17 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 12:13 +, Colin Paul Adams wrote: John == John Aldrich jmaldr...@yahoo.com writes: John As I said, you need to choose to use a custom partition John scheme, otherwise, Fedora will wipe every

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 00:49 -0800, Garrick Sitongia wrote: I just installed Fedora for the first time on my Windows/Linux dual boot system. The Fedora installer gave me the option of installing over the present linux installation on the disk, an old Mandriva version. I assumed this meant the

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Mike Chambers
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 08:25 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: At the bottom of that window when you make your choice, there is a box that says (paraphrasing) - Review modifications - that you can check to make sure it's doing the right thing. And if it's not, you can modify what is going on and

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread John Aldrich
On Thursday 31 December 2009, Mike Chambers wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 08:25 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: At the bottom of that window when you make your choice, there is a box that says (paraphrasing) - Review modifications - that you can check to make sure it's doing the right thing.

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Aaron Konstam wrote: A GUI opens which allows you to decide to format or not to format the partition and to decide where it will be mounted. Manually configure should be the default, not the present default, which basically destroys all of your existing partitions and data. Luckily, I, as

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 11:22 -0500, John Aldrich wrote: I can see both sides of this. I don't think it would hurt anything to have a *little* hand-holding by the installer, something to the effect of If you don't want to blow everythign away and start from scratch, choose a different

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread John Aldrich
On Thursday 31 December 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Somewhat OT: IMHO one thing that makes installing Fedora harder than it needs to be for the majority of users is the default use of LVM. I've been using Fedora since before it was Fedora, and have *never* had a situation in which LVM was

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Rick Stevens
On 12/31/2009 11:47 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Somewhat OT: IMHO one thing that makes installing Fedora harder than it needs to be for the majority of users is the default use of LVM. I've been using Fedora since before it was Fedora, and have *never* had a situation in which LVM was

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I've been using Fedora since before it was Fedora, and have never had a situation in which LVM was any use to me. +1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines:

Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 12:28 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: On 12/31/2009 11:47 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Somewhat OT: IMHO one thing that makes installing Fedora harder than it needs to be for the majority of users is the default use of LVM. I've been using Fedora since before it