Re: New support lists?
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 21:42 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: On the new lists issue, I do not agree that new lists are necessary. Eventually those long threads will appear and it will be difficult not to to see them. There were the KDE4 ones, not too long ago. Eventually things got settled :) This is nature of the list. We have to be prepared for everything. I will also repeat one thing that does justice to the list members. Many are very nice and helpful people that give proper advice and are very knowledgeable in Fedora and other Linuxes with GNU also included. It is a priviledge to learn from many great people :) Regards, Antonio +1 -- Hooroo, Simon Registered Linux User #463789. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 23:16 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. This list worked great until Alexandre hijacked it. He needs to be booted for persisting in spewing all that OT shit into our mailboxes after being asked repeatedly to stop. I used to be ambivalent about the Free Software folks vs. the Open Source folks. I'd like to congratulate Alexandre for fucking that ambivalence. I now understand why the Free Software folks get laughed at so hard, so often. And my opinion of Red Hat is shit now, since they have a representative like Alexandre fronting for them. Here's a quote from the new CEO of RedHat, Jim Whitehurst: Red Hat appealed to me. Red Hat is different. By doing well as a company at Red Hat, we are doing good. Open source is a way to focus on the customer, letting us grow, succeed, and change the technology landscape...all while doing something that is fundamentally good. Fighting for open standards and open formats. These things will change society. I'm thrilled to be here. See the words Open Source? There's still hope. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:15 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list or two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have couple new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball rolling? Start a new list for something different, don't re-purpose an existing list. i.e. Keep fedora-list as it always was (a general user support list), and create some other chit-chat / advocacy lists for those who want to continue an off-topic chat. Though, having said that. There's already plenty of other places that people can have their off-topics and rampant advocacy evangelising. Some of them have their very own websites. They could all piss off, over there, right now. But they won't, because they won't to romp in and change everyone else's opinion to their own. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
And my opinion of Red Hat is shit now, since they have a representative like Alexandre fronting for them. Red Hat doesn't. Alexandra just persists in abusing his redhat.com address to advertise his own BLAG distribution in the wrong place. He has been asked not to do that, and I imagine stronger persuasion to take up such things using his personal email elsewhere will occur if he doesn't. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
I used to be ambivalent about the Free Software folks vs. the Open Source folks. I'd like to congratulate Alexandre for fucking that ambivalence. I now understand why the Free Software folks get laughed at so hard, so often. I'll make one other comment here. Most 'Free Software' people I know (and I count myself as one) share your view of GNU/Alexandre and wish quite frankly he was a microsoft fanboy instead as he'd do more good for Free and Open Source software that way. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 00:21:22 Ed Greshko wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 28 July 2008 23:08:15 Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:04 +0200, Anders Karlsson wrote: * Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080728 21:48]: On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: [snip] Would this help make things better? In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support for making sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. I'm sure we could manage that. :) /Anders I don't think we could handle that. This split is a really bad idea. For some of us it is an excellent idea Yes it is an excellent idea. But, sadly, it probably won't work since it relies on reasonable humans to understand and be willing and able to separate their posts among the newly created lists. Or a moderator willing to kick off anyone who refuses to comply Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
Mike Chambers wrote: Hi all, Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list or two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have couple new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball rolling? i really do not see any advantage in changing way list are now. what would be nice is to run a converter that will change all 'text/html' and 'base 64' emails to 'text/plain'. give consideration to subscribers who are on pots and limited disk storage. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 07:18:26 am Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2008 00:21:22 Ed Greshko wrote: snip Yes it is an excellent idea. But, sadly, it probably won't work since it relies on reasonable humans to understand and be willing and able to separate their posts among the newly created lists. Or a moderator willing to kick off anyone who refuses to comply Anne Given the events of the past 17 days, I'd think that a proctologist would be a better choice. -- cmg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
Hi Anne et al; 2ยข On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 12:18 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2008 00:21:22 Ed Greshko wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 28 July 2008 23:08:15 Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:04 +0200, Anders Karlsson wrote: * Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080728 21:48]: On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: [snip] Would this help make things better? In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support for making sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. I'm sure we could manage that. :) /Anders I don't think we could handle that. This split is a really bad idea. For some of us it is an excellent idea Yes it is an excellent idea. But, sadly, it probably won't work since it relies on reasonable humans to understand and be willing and able to separate their posts among the newly created lists. Or a moderator willing to kick off anyone who refuses to comply Anne I, for one, would miss the occasional Off Topic thread. I have had my interest peaked and had late night working re-invigorated by this list's incidental forays into language usage, international discussions on how things are done elsewhere, teasing, and even the odd frustrated rant. I believe that kind of communications builds a bit of a community that one can count on when one is really in need of OS or Computer help. I know I have come to recognize and respect a good many names on this list. For what it is worth, I have noticed that the OT increases proportionally from the time when the latest version of Fedora has been released. Perhaps that reflects the decline in the number of real problems which need to be fixed and leaves members free to let their minds wander. Our local LUG had a problem with our mailing list being turned into an anti-social set of diatribes by a couple of members who were no more than trolls. In order to avoid them, we set up a second moderated list for 'tech' subjects only. We ended up with long debates over the whether a question belonged on the 'social' list or the 'tech' list. Slowly everyone drifted away from both; with only a few remaining members using the LUG IRC. I don't know what the answer for the current pointless thread(s) is other than to ignore them for the time being, complain a bit, and hope that other members will stop feeding the troll. But, my experience says setting up an additional mailing list doesn't really solve much and can be harmful to a nice little community of interests. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 15:11:38 William Case wrote: I, for one, would miss the occasional Off Topic thread. So would I. In the days when most of the topics were serious they were a light relief. It's not the OT that bothers me, it's the fact that it is now way out of proportion Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 14:09:59 Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2008 07:18:26 am Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2008 00:21:22 Ed Greshko wrote: snip Yes it is an excellent idea. But, sadly, it probably won't work since it relies on reasonable humans to understand and be willing and able to separate their posts among the newly created lists. Or a moderator willing to kick off anyone who refuses to comply Anne Given the events of the past 17 days, I'd think that a proctologist would be a better choice. Needed the dictionary, but yeh! I think you're right :-) Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
Alan Cox alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk writes: And my opinion of Red Hat is shit now, since they have a representative like Alexandre fronting for them. Red Hat doesn't. Alexandra just persists in abusing his redhat.com address to advertise his own BLAG distribution in the wrong place. woah woah woah woah woah. BLAG is using Alexandre's kernels, but BLAG is certainly *not* his own distro. In fact, I don't even consider him a BLAG developer and neither does he. BLAG used fedora's and before that Red Hat, Inc. kernel's but that didn't make Dave Jones a BLAG developer either. We use packages from a wide variety of sources. BLAG has been building based on Red Hat Inc.'s Red Hat since 7.3. We have only been using Alexandre's kernels a few months, which is when I first came in contact with him. I don't even think alexandre is using BLAG for that matter, just Fedora with his kernels and then cleans out non-free packages. Please get your facts straight. -Jeff P.S. I try to stay out of these threads, but when someone brings up something completely false about BLAG, I feel I have to correct it, especially when it's someone like Alan Cox. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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P.S. I try to stay out of these threads, but when someone brings up something completely false about BLAG, I feel I have to correct it, especially when it's someone like Alan Cox. Thanks for the correction and I understand why you want to correct that promptly. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
Alan Cox wrote: I'll make one other comment here. Most 'Free Software' people I know (and I count myself as one) share your view of GNU/Alexandre and wish quite frankly he was a microsoft fanboy instead as he'd do more good for Free and Open Source software that way. The majority of this very long thread has, I think, bee focused on correcting misinformation about the GPL. I don't see how letting FUD spread about that license, or any other Free Software license, is going to do any good for anyone. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
The majority of this very long thread has, I think, bee focused on correcting misinformation about the GPL. I don't see how letting FUD spread about that license, or any other Free Software license, is going to do any good for anyone. -- IANAL, even the ones that are can tell that the licensing is a very complicated issue. I have been in those discussions because I have questions myself. In many ways it is an excellent license, but it does have certain clauses that in certain situations, you must comply with it or you can get into trouble. This has happened to companies who have abused the system and to individuals for not complying in some way. The wording is complicated, certain clauses about you can do this, but if you do ..., then you must . Everything matters and is important. On the same token, I have argued back and forth and acknowledge that I misbehaved in some ways. I ask for clemency and hope that all is forgiven :) On the new lists issue, I do not agree that new lists are necessary. Eventually those long threads will appear and it will be difficult not to to see them. There were the KDE4 ones, not too long ago. Eventually things got settled :) This is nature of the list. We have to be prepared for everything. I will also repeat one thing that does justice to the list members. Many are very nice and helpful people that give proper advice and are very knowledgeable in Fedora and other Linuxes with GNU also included. It is a priviledge to learn from many great people :) Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Monday 28 July 2008 20:22:42 Antonio Olivares wrote: Just look at the big thread :) Do we have to? Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
* Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080728 21:16]: Hi all, Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list or two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have couple new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball rolling? fedora-list(this one) - General Fedora talk, opinions, suggestions, comments, distro wars, all that type stuff not support related. fedora-user-list or fedora-support-list - Bug references, problems with software, computer won't boot, email don't work, firefox plugins not working, etc.. where problems are asked about and responded to on *official releases*. +1 , but you knew that I'd say that anyway. A list dedicated to support would make a lot of sense, keeping it factual and dedicated to the support topic and purpose. Already seen that there is opposition to this idea, citing too many lists, but I don't see that. Volume of traffic across the lists should be about the same for those that would want both. It would allow those interested in actually helping people to focus on just that, and those interested in advocacy or more generic talk to focus on that. It is a logical split. fedora-testers-list - as is, for testing alpha, beta, preview, rc releases when preparing a new release. fedora-devel-list - as is, for development of fedora, and the rest that is currently used on that list. See the url below for currently created lists already being used.. https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ Would this help make things better? IMHO, yes. /Anders -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
* Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080728 21:48]: On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: [snip] Would this help make things better? In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support for making sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. I'm sure we could manage that. :) /Anders -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:15 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: Hi all, Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list or two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have couple new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball rolling? fedora-list(this one) - General Fedora talk, opinions, suggestions, comments, distro wars, all that type stuff not support related. fedora-user-list or fedora-support-list - Bug references, problems with software, computer won't boot, email don't work, firefox plugins not working, etc.. where problems are asked about and responded to on *official releases*. fedora-testers-list - as is, for testing alpha, beta, preview, rc releases when preparing a new release. fedora-devel-list - as is, for development of fedora, and the rest that is currently used on that list. See the url below for currently created lists already being used.. https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ Would this help make things better? No but it explains why this list has become more useless, in that my questions are not answered. The redhat/fedora discussion has existed on a single list for ove a decade and a half. Why does it need to be broken up now? I am just frustrated. -- === Tell me what to think!!! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:04 +0200, Anders Karlsson wrote: * Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080728 21:48]: On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: [snip] Would this help make things better? In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support for making sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. I'm sure we could manage that. :) /Anders I don't think we could handle that. This split is a really bad idea. -- === Only two of my personalities are schizophrenic, but one of them is paranoid and the other one is out to get him. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:15 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: Hi all, Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list or two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have couple new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball rolling? fedora-list(this one) - General Fedora talk, opinions, suggestions, comments, distro wars, all that type stuff not support related. fedora-user-list or fedora-support-list - Bug references, problems with software, computer won't boot, email don't work, firefox plugins not working, etc.. where problems are asked about and responded to on *official releases*. fedora-testers-list - as is, for testing alpha, beta, preview, rc releases when preparing a new release. fedora-devel-list - as is, for development of fedora, and the rest that is currently used on that list. See the url below for currently created lists already being used.. https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ Would this help make things better? The above address is hardd to bring up without the correct certificate. I was glad to see there is no fedora-user-list. -- === Xerox never comes up with anything original. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Monday 28 July 2008 23:08:15 Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:04 +0200, Anders Karlsson wrote: * Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080728 21:48]: On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: [snip] Would this help make things better? In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support for making sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. I'm sure we could manage that. :) /Anders I don't think we could handle that. This split is a really bad idea. For some of us it is an excellent idea Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Monday 28 July 2008 23:04:20 Aaron Konstam wrote: No but it explains why this list has become more useless, in that my questions are not answered. The redhat/fedora discussion has existed on a single list for ove a decade and a half. Why does it need to be broken up now? Because there used to be 95% support and 5% chat. Now it's the reverse Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote: | On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: | Hi all, | | Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list or | two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have couple | new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball rolling? | | fedora-list(this one) - General Fedora talk, opinions, suggestions, | comments, distro wars, all that type stuff not support related. | | fedora-user-list or fedora-support-list - Bug references, problems with | software, computer won't boot, email don't work, firefox plugins not | working, etc.. where problems are asked about and responded to on | *official releases*. | | fedora-testers-list - as is, for testing alpha, beta, preview, rc | releases when preparing a new release. | | fedora-devel-list - as is, for development of fedora, and the rest that | is currently used on that list. | | See the url below for currently created lists already being used.. | | https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ | | Would this help make things better? | | In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support for making | sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. The users that this situation seriously effects are those still on dial-up and those with limited bandwidth. I think it is very, very, rude to carry on these types of OT discussions under those conditions. They should go private IMO. - -- ~ David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: --batch iEYEARECAAYFAkiORSQACgkQAO0wNI1X4QGduwCgwEEGcMHtV1TBZHsKPWjVf2ov i7QAoMhp1zDCA9SyqGMwZX42gRSXnXZR =3Eo4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 28 July 2008 23:08:15 Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:04 +0200, Anders Karlsson wrote: * Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080728 21:48]: On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: [snip] Would this help make things better? In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support for making sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. I'm sure we could manage that. :) /Anders I don't think we could handle that. This split is a really bad idea. For some of us it is an excellent idea Yes it is an excellent idea. But, sadly, it probably won't work since it relies on reasonable humans to understand and be willing and able to separate their posts among the newly created lists. -- If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:16 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 28 July 2008 23:04:20 Aaron Konstam wrote: No but it explains why this list has become more useless, in that my questions are not answered. The redhat/fedora discussion has existed on a single list for more than a decade and a half. Why does it need to be broken up now? Because there used to be 95% support and 5% chat. Now it's the reverse Anne That is because people can't control themselves and they won't do any better under the split system. I hope this is an idea that will jut die. I have enough trouble monitoring the 5 or 6 lists I must monitor now. -- === Q: What is orange and goes click, click? A: A ball point carrot. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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No but it explains why this list has become more useless, in that my questions are not answered. The redhat/fedora discussion has existed on a single list for more than a decade and a half. Why does it need to be broken up now? Because there used to be 95% support and 5% chat. Now it's the reverse Anne That is because people can't control themselves and they won't do any better under the split system. I hope this is an idea that will just die. I have enough trouble monitoring the 5 or 6 lists I must monitor now. -- +1 :) Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list or two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have couple new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball rolling? fedora-list(this one) - General Fedora talk, opinions, suggestions, comments, distro wars, all that type stuff not support related. fedora-user-list or fedora-support-list - Bug references, problems with software, computer won't boot, email don't work, firefox plugins not working, etc.. where problems are asked about and responded to on *official releases*. fedora-testers-list - as is, for testing alpha, beta, preview, rc releases when preparing a new release. fedora-devel-list - as is, for development of fedora, and the rest that is currently used on that list. See the url below for currently created lists already being used.. https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ Would this help make things better? Not really. This list worked great until Alexandre hijacked it. He needs to be booted for persisting in spewing all that OT shit into our mailboxes after being asked repeatedly to stop. I used to be ambivalent about the Free Software folks vs. the Open Source folks. I'd like to congratulate Alexandre for fucking that ambivalence. I now understand why the Free Software folks get laughed at so hard, so often. And my opinion of Red Hat is shit now, since they have a representative like Alexandre fronting for them. What a dipshit. Educated, maybe, but dumb as a rock. LW -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
