Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-10 Thread Robin Norwood
Chris Weyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Dec 6, 2007 8:35 AM, Robin Norwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the perlmodcompat stuff, if I may ask? This is the business that creates the directories: /usr/lib/perl5/{5.8.6,5.8.7,5.8.8} So that

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-10 Thread Robin Norwood
Marius Feraru [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [My apologies for my digression, feel free to ignore it.] Robin Norwood wrote: /usr/lib/perl5/{5.8.6,5.8.7,5.8.8} So that rpms built for older releases will still work. It's kindof nasty, but as I understand it, it was to prevent having to rebuilt

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-10 Thread Marius Feraru
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin Norwood wrote: I'm probably missing the point, but I don't really see how this is significantly better than the way we do the perlmodcompat stuff now. Let's detail what these changes mean: a) using ABI based layout (instead version based); b)

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-10 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 04:26 +0200, Marius Feraru wrote: I guess we will talk about patches in January, when we'll deal with rpm5's perl helper ;-) Last time I looked, Fedora wasn't planning to use that fork. ~spot -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-10 Thread Chris Weyl
On Dec 10, 2007 8:50 AM, Robin Norwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, for b), we still have: Provides: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.0) in the perl RPM, and: Ohhh, duh. I was conflating the two. -Chris -- Chris Weyl Ex astris, scientia -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-10 Thread Marius Feraru
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom spot Callaway wrote: Last time I looked, Fedora wasn't planning to use that fork. Right, I remember the discussions; I should have kept the still-ranting mark for that paragraph. Sorry ;-) - -- Marius Feraru -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

groups as owners in pkgdb (was: Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?)

2007-12-09 Thread Chris Weyl
It bounced -- I forwarded back on 11/28. On Nov 28, 2007 9:21 AM, Toshio Kuratomi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, if this bounces from the list, feel free to forward it there. Chris Weyl wrote: On Nov 28, 2007 6:25 AM, Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:46

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-07 Thread Robin Norwood
Robin Norwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robin Norwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris Weyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Along these lines... Do we have a plan for including 5.10 in F-9/devel? With the RC out, it sounds like 5.10 will GA not-too-horribly-soon from now, and we're at a point

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-07 Thread Robin Norwood
Robin Norwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris Weyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Along these lines... Do we have a plan for including 5.10 in F-9/devel? With the RC out, it sounds like 5.10 will GA not-too-horribly-soon from now, and we're at a point in devel where it's probably the Right

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-06 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
On 05/12/2007, Robin Norwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: o Most of our patches to 5.8.8 are either applied in 5.10.0, or fixed differently. - Many due to spot submitting all of them upstream when he did the package review. Spot rocks. Submitting upstream rocks. I'd like more vendors to do

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-06 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 15:32 -0500, Robin Norwood wrote: o Speaking of the perlmodcompat stuff - is 5.10.0 a good time to get rid of it? Or we be kicking ourselves when 5.10.x is released and we need to rebuild everything? I think we should try to drop it. Upstream perl doesn't really

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-06 Thread Robin Norwood
Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 06/12/2007, Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: o Some of the packages that we split into subpackages for 5.8.8 didn't change version in 5.10.0: perl-CPAN-1.76 This is baffling. Upstream CPAN is at 1.9205, I thought for sure this

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-06 Thread Robin Norwood
Tom \spot\ Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 15:32 -0500, Robin Norwood wrote: o Speaking of the perlmodcompat stuff - is 5.10.0 a good time to get rid of it? Or we be kicking ourselves when 5.10.x is released and we need to rebuild everything? I think we should

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-12-05 Thread Robin Norwood
Chris Weyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Along these lines... Do we have a plan for including 5.10 in F-9/devel? With the RC out, it sounds like 5.10 will GA not-too-horribly-soon from now, and we're at a point in devel where it's probably the Right Time to think about bumping from 5.8 to 5.10.

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Chris, if this bounces from the list, feel free to forward it there. Chris Weyl wrote: On Nov 28, 2007 6:25 AM, Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:46 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:35 +0100, Patrice Dumas wrote: Maybe the solution could

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Jan Pazdziora
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:16:49PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: Tom Callaway (aka, no one asked for it explicitly) * perl-Alien-wxWidgets -- Building, finding and using wxWidgets binaries * perl-AppConfig -- Perl module for reading configuration files *

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 03:58 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Seems to me, as if Fedora doesn't support collective maintainership :// Its a technicality. There is no difference in rights or permissions between primary maintainers and comaintainers, except that the packagedb requires there be a

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:40:15AM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 03:58 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Seems to me, as if Fedora doesn't support collective maintainership :// Its a technicality. There is no difference in rights or permissions between primary

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:05 +0100, Patrice Dumas wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:40:15AM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 03:58 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Seems to me, as if Fedora doesn't support collective maintainership :// Its a technicality. There is

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:26:38PM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: What I wanted to find is how Fedora supports and destinguishes: a) a principal w/ several co-maintainers under his directions b) free for a specific group with changing members e.g. free for perl-sig, free for FPG, free for

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:35 +0100, Patrice Dumas wrote: Maybe the solution could simply be to be able to add some comments in the pacakgedb, telling who is really allowed to touch the package? and select 'group members can commit?'. IMO, the easiest approach would be to use perl-sig or

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 09:25 -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:46 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:35 +0100, Patrice Dumas wrote: Maybe the solution could simply be to be able to add some comments in the pacakgedb, telling who is really

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 15:41 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 09:25 -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:46 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:35 +0100, Patrice Dumas wrote: Maybe the solution could simply be to be able to

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Steven Pritchard
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:46:32AM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: I don't have any problem with this. They'll show up in cpancheck as packages that I need to fix. You're the one who is getting worked up over technical limitations. And where would one find this cpancheck that knows how to

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 09:22 -0600, Steven Pritchard wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:46:32AM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: I don't have any problem with this. They'll show up in cpancheck as packages that I need to fix. You're the one who is getting worked up over technical limitations.

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Chris Weyl
On Nov 28, 2007 6:25 AM, Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:46 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 14:35 +0100, Patrice Dumas wrote: Maybe the solution could simply be to be able to add some comments in the pacakgedb, telling who is really

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 08:09 -0800, Chris Weyl wrote: I'm buying what Ralf is saying here: to attempt to have collective ownership via individual ownership and extensive co-maintainers is another variant of dirty hacks. Of course, I may be totally misunderstanding how the systems work

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 09:22 -0600, Steven Pritchard wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:46:32AM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: I don't have any problem with this. They'll show up in cpancheck as packages that I need to fix. You're the one who is getting worked up over technical limitations.

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-28 Thread Steven Pritchard
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 01:05:45PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UsefulScripts That cpancheck seems fully capable of checking the packagedb. I'll be damned. So it does. Isn't collaborative development great? ;-) Steve -- Steven Pritchard

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-27 Thread Paul Howarth
Steven Pritchard wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:18:18AM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: The circular dependencies will be fun! Hopefully a lot of those have been resolved with the EPEL rebuild. First things first, lets divide up all of jpo's perl packages tomorrow (assuming that he

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-27 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 09:00 -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 04:40 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Can't we agree upon to collectively maintain these soon to be orphaned packages in general? (Q: Who is we - perl-sig seniors? Everybody who maintains, say, more than 10

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-27 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 16:00 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 09:00 -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 04:40 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Can't we agree upon to collectively maintain these soon to be orphaned packages in general? (Q: Who is we -

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-27 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 10:04 -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 16:00 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 09:00 -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 04:40 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Can't we agree upon to collectively maintain these

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-27 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 16:13 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 10:04 -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 16:00 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 09:00 -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 04:40 +0100, Ralf Corsepius

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-27 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:57 -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 16:13 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 10:04 -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 16:00 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 09:00 -0500, Tom spot Callaway

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-26 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:16 -0800, Chris Weyl wrote: 642 noarch 172 x86_64 - 814 total I suspect we can ease the pain by coordinating a mass rebuild here, and just kicking off the rebuilds centrally. (e.g. an annointed Rebuilder In Chief) The circular dependencies will be

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-26 Thread Jan Pazdziora
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:18:18AM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:16 -0800, Chris Weyl wrote: 642 noarch 172 x86_64 - 814 total I suspect we can ease the pain by coordinating a mass rebuild here, and just kicking off the rebuilds centrally.

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-26 Thread Robin Norwood
Tom \spot\ Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:16 -0800, Chris Weyl wrote: 642 noarch 172 x86_64 - 814 total I suspect we can ease the pain by coordinating a mass rebuild here, and just kicking off the rebuilds centrally. (e.g. an annointed

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-26 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 16:04 -0500, Robin Norwood wrote: * perl-Compress-Bzip2 -- Interface to Bzip2 compression library * perl-DBD-CSV -- DBI driver for CSV files * perl-DBD-SQLite -- Self Contained RDBMS in a DBI Driver * perl-FreezeThaw -- Convert Perl

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-26 Thread Robin Norwood
Tom \spot\ Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 16:04 -0500, Robin Norwood wrote: * perl-Compress-Bzip2 -- Interface to Bzip2 compression library * perl-DBD-CSV -- DBI driver for CSV files * perl-DBD-SQLite -- Self Contained RDBMS in a DBI Driver

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-26 Thread Steven Pritchard
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:18:18AM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: The circular dependencies will be fun! Hopefully a lot of those have been resolved with the EPEL rebuild. First things first, lets divide up all of jpo's perl packages tomorrow (assuming that he doesn't come out of AWOL status

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-26 Thread Steven Pritchard
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 04:08:22PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: I'll just handle them when I move everything else tomorrow. Anyone else interested in any of the remaining modules? (I'll take whatever remains...but I'd prefer to share the load) Feel free to put me down as a co-maintainer on

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-26 Thread Chris Weyl
On Nov 26, 2007 8:18 AM, Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:16 -0800, Chris Weyl wrote: 642 noarch 172 x86_64 - 814 total I suspect we can ease the pain by coordinating a mass rebuild here, and just kicking off the rebuilds centrally.

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-24 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 09:34 -0800, Chris Weyl wrote: Along these lines... Do we have a plan for including 5.10 in F-9/devel? With the RC out, it sounds like 5.10 will GA not-too-horribly-soon from now, and we're at a point in devel where it's probably the Right Time to think about bumping

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-24 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
On 24/11/2007, Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 09:34 -0800, Chris Weyl wrote: Along these lines... Do we have a plan for including 5.10 in F-9/devel? With the RC out, it sounds like 5.10 will GA not-too-horribly-soon from now, and we're at a point in

Re: time for perl 5.10.x in devel?

2007-11-24 Thread Chris Weyl
On Nov 24, 2007 10:17 AM, Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24/11/2007, Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 09:34 -0800, Chris Weyl wrote: Along these lines... Do we have a plan for including 5.10 in F-9/devel? With the RC out, it sounds