Wondering what the vet’s reason for not wanting to prescribe Winstrol?
Ardy
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT
CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...
Thank you all
Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only
except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a
mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel
In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
spayed, so she had
I googled ‘Raltegravir HIV integrase inhibitor for feline FeLV’ and several
articles popped up… I have a million things to get done tonight so I don’t have
time to read them all tonight, but perhaps the information is online.
Ardy
From: Felvtalk
- Original Message -
From: "Jane Gannon"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis
Hi Bob,
I have had uveitis in two of my positive cats. One we gave metacam (many
vets will not use this
My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the FeLV
vaccine is not a good idea.
Ardy
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:
I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your fur-baby.
The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even though I said I
would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my heart, but Topaz is
easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had with
Amani - would you agree that Tigger's was the same type that Zander had also
then? And I feel that the Winstrol was working for Tigger's bone marrow also
- it just did not have enough time, in other words if I had gotten the
Winstrol into him a few months earlier, we likely would have seen more
My guess would be that there really hasn't been much indication it works. Cats
can test negative, and just be in "remission". It's still there, in the marrow,
and most people aren't going to do that kind of testing, and I'm not sure how
reliable ANY of the tests are. It seems that in that
Really really interesting Margo. I had no idea but that was my experience with
cats as well. They seem to have a weird metabolism that just thrives on
steroids and, as far as I can tell so far anyway, they don’t seem to have a lot
of downside effects either. Good to know my instincts all these
Old Vet saying when confronted with unknown unresponsive conditions in cats; "never let a cat die without benefit of steroids"In a last ditch effort, steroids "the silver bullet" can sometimes pull a dying cat back, and in most cases no-one really understands why. I have one here now. So I'm with
I know you feel that way. I still can’t help but worry about long term use
with something that suppresses the immune system when they are so
susceptible to other infections and cancers as it is. If there is no other
option besides long term use then it is what it is. I just hope Bob’s kitty
One of the two papers suggests that the viral load decrease is temporary, so
that may be why the FeLV tests might come back negative. However, the paper
suggests that the viral load will return, though the abstract doesn't get into
the effect on the cat's health.
Amani
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Yes, Amani, I read those articles, but, still, I would like to hear from that
lady whose cat came back testing negative. I contacted her facebook friends
too, no luck.
I know this drug is used for HIV in humans and Felv is similar to HIV.
I am very grateful for this list, but, sorry to say
Rachel,
I am so below water right now, it is just a pipe dream that this point!
Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel
Dagner
Sent: June-08-16 4:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv
Amani –
Amani – This would have been nice information to add to the website… just
sayin’.
*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Amani Oakley
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 3:42 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir
I agree completely, laws can cause some problems in my reasoning on this
subject, I think I know what I would choose for an inside FELV kitty
though, and it seems as if at least Lorrie’s vet agrees as he will not do
them on her FELV cats for a reason. And it seems as if a vet agreed that an
Actually Rachel, with cats, who have a very different metabolism than we do (or
dogs for that matter) they seem to do very very well on steroids and do not
suffer the kinds of side effects one sees in humans on long term prednisone
use, etc.
Amani
From: Felvtalk
Realissa,,
You can just do your own research on line. It is helpful to know the science
behind it, and I have now found some articles online. This is a drug used in
AIDS patients, and because the AIDS virus and FeLV are so similar, this is why
they are looking to use it for FeLV. I have
"Titer" with one "t". An option in some cases, but by no means a guarantee. I seldom vaccinate against anything but Rabies past the first booster, but skipping Rabies can become problematic, since it is (generally) legally mandated. Which means that a pet with no proof of vaccination can be
You can buy Standard Process on Amazon or eBay, or just get an order form from someone else who uses their product. My Mom ordered all the time, and sent me order blanks often. They also have on their websites how to find a Vet that will connect you (or order for you for a fee).Margo-Original
I have several burial sites on my ground close to the house. When I run into
too much rock (live on a rocky bluff), I start a new cemetary. I have 2 dogs
and 0ver 20 cats buried in my flower gardens.
Rachel Dagner wrote:
> Thank you everyone for your kind replies.
Sounds like you have a good one, stick with him/her.
Lorrie wrote:
> >Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
> >cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
> >compromised immune system?
> -
>
> My vet
I need to read this! We have lots of possums around her (live in the middle of
the woods). I have noticed that Harley never has any fleas or ticks on him and
he goes out all the time, wanders around the yard and then comes up on the
deck, inds a comfortable spot and sleeps.
kat
From: Cary Institute of Ecosystems Studies - http://www.caryinstitute.org/newsroom/opossums-killers-ticks
"Several years ago, scientists ... tested six species — white-footed mice, chipmunks, squirrels, opossums and veerys and catbirds — by capturing and caging them, and then exposing each test
My cats have not had vaccines for at least 5 years and they are healthy. They
do not come into contact with others animals. When the coons coe around, they
come to the door to be let in. Have more sense than some humans. We also do
not do flea meds since Shorty ahd a severe reaction to
Hi Robert,
If you need someone to get the Standard Process formulas for you - there is a chiropracter just over the NJ border (in Sussex) that carries them. His name is Dr Wm Preston 973-875-8700. You can tell him Kat recommended him.
Kat (Mew Jersey)
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016
That sounds like the time I asked the Dr. about my mother's wegeners disease.
He said it is ideopathic. That means they do not know what is going on any
more than you do.
Rachel Dagner wrote:
> I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it. And if
What a relief it is helping, I am so glad! I pray that it is not chronic,
taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it
does turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they
use that is more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and
see
I have been there so many times, over 20 now. You ask yourself "what more
could I have done?", You did all you could, loved him, gave him food and
shelter and loved him some more. I think I know how you feel, but not really,
because each one is different. It will hurt for a long time and
Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis. As I wrote the original
note more than a week ago much has happened since I went back to
see the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.
THIS one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the
badly
Rachel:
Expected or otherwise there just never seems to be an adequate way to
prepare for such a loss I am SO sorry. I can only wish you the
very FAST passage of enough time to mitigate the sadness...
Bob
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That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of
illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets
believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life,
Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of
his patients
That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and
she has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot
she got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage
that is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not
Did you try to send a message to a couple of her active friends? Maybe they
know how to reach her. Sometimes people don’t go on Facebook much.
*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Realissa Dekraunti
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:43 AM
*To:*
the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her
name here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her?
Her story is very inspiring
>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
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My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my
old cats. She also does not tell me to euthanize a
Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard for
me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of my
adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and imagined him
that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I
I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories
you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for
you.
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.
>
> Ardy
>
> -Original
Wow! That is very exciting to hear about. If that could help other kitties I
would be over the moon. My biggest wish is that no one or their babies ever
again have to go through what Tucker and I went through. I hope she gets back
to you. If she does you should ask her for her vets information,
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