Re: a little help with litter training the new cat
Also - has he had anything to deal with intestinal parasites? Might talk to the vet and get something for parasites - or get a stool test. Think our rescue uses Drontal and Flagyl before adopting out, for that sort of thing. It's not unusual for cats coming out of rescue to have that sort of thing and to poo inappropriately.Re the other dogs and cats s- give him some "chill" time along in the bathroom or wherever, so he has a chance to regroup periodically.GloriaOn Mar 25, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Patricia Lamoretti wrote:Sounds like a possible case of IBD. Cats will typically go outside the box because there's discomfort ... kinda like a urinary problem. Has Yodel been tested for parasites (just starting with basics)? You may want to change the food. Try a higher protein, human grade, canned food. Stay away from the kibble and if that doesn't work ... see a vet, I guess ... Unless someone has another suggestion? You can also go onto Feline IBD sites/groups/message boards and post there about your problem. Good Luck -- PAT JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel-lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat) ...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into...thank you oh and papoose seems to like to beat up yodel and hold him down and then lick him furiously and then beat him up again..is that odd? (i just feel bad for the new cat, cause he is such a lover and he hates the dogs and papoose is a bully to him) Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Add Tad to the CLS
Please add my friend's cat Tad (not FELV) to the Candlelight list. Tad was older - about 16, a pretty yellow-orange cat with a sweet disposition. He was injured while being outdoors several weeks ago. My friend said he was going to keep Tad inside after that, but they didn't. There was problems of Tad peeing on the carpet, so my friend's older mom and dad started letting Tad out after supper. He was hit be a car on their busy street and killed. I'm just really sad and angry about this since it could have been prevented. I am comforted to know that at least Tad had a long happy life. Gloria
Tux is home!
Thank you everyone for your help and prayers! Yesterday I went over to my sister's to help her implement all your wonderful suggestions, (another one we got off-list was to spray my sister's urine around the perimeter of the house!). I began combing my sister's yard, and her adjacent neighbor's yards armed with cat kibble to shake. Connie was anxious to distribute fliers and knock on doors so she interrupted me to join her in that. Now of course I wish I had continued, but she was so upset and thought the way to get Tux back was to enlist the help of other humans. I agree, but I think your good thoughts and the help of ACs was even more valuable, (thank you Hideyo for all the contacts). Anyway, as I was driving home, my sister called me to tell me Tux had been found!!! I was so relieved I burst into tears. We had confined her other cat to Connie's bedroom and opened most of the doors and windows in case Tux found his way home. When she opened her bedroom door, Sam scooted out and Connie dashed around in a panic shutting the house back up, (poor Connie!). When everything was quiet again, she heard a little meow. She looked over at Sam playing quietly and listened intently. Again the little meow. She followed it to the attached garage door, and there was little Tux! Dirty, hungry, and very relieved. He'd been hiding in the garage for 3 days. She said they must have checked the garage 10 times, but the little stinker is an excellent hider. What we got from the ACers made sense too. It was mighty dark in there, (thank you Marylyn), and there was old lumber and concrete that he very well could have been hiding under, (thank you Mary and Marylyn!). Hooray! It's so nice to have a happy ending. What would I do without all of you! Nina
Re: Tux is home!
hip hip meow! i'm SO happy to hear this. ask barb, last night i was so worried when you hadn't posted anything that i was having trouble getting to sleep! On 3/26/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you everyone for your help and prayers!Yesterday I went over tomy sister's to help her implement all your wonderful suggestions, (another one we got off-list was to spray my sister's urine around theperimeter of the house!).I began combing my sister's yard, and heradjacent neighbor's yards armed with cat kibble to shake.Connie was anxious to distribute fliers and knock on doors so she interrupted me tojoin her in that.Now of course I wish I had continued, but she was soupset and thought the way to get Tux back was to enlist the help of other humans.I agree, but I think your good thoughts and the help ofACs was even more valuable, (thank you Hideyo for all the contacts).Anyway, as I was driving home, my sister called me to tell me Tux hadbeen found!!!I was so relieved I burst into tears.We had confined her other cat to Connie's bedroom and opened most of the doors andwindows in case Tux found his way home.When she opened her bedroomdoor, Sam scooted out and Connie dashed around in a panic shutting thehouse back up, (poor Connie!).When everything was quiet again, she heard a little meow.She looked over at Sam playing quietly andlistened intently.Again the little meow.She followed it to theattached garage door, and there was little Tux!Dirty, hungry, and veryrelieved.He'd been hiding in the garage for 3 days.She said they must have checked the garage 10 times, but the little stinker is anexcellent hider.What we got from the ACers made sense too.It wasmighty dark in there, (thank you Marylyn), and there was old lumber and concrete that he very well could have been hiding under, (thank you Maryand Marylyn!).Hooray!It's so nice to have a happy ending.What would I do withoutall of you!Nina -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Tux is home!
MC, You're so sweet! I should have posted last night, but the night before I couldn't get to sleep until 3am, (worrying about the little stinker), and we covered alot of ground in Connie's neighborhood! I was so exhausted that I just couldn't face anything but a meal and bed. Knowing you guys were all pulling for little Tux really helped. I think this list has a direct line to the powers that be. You guys are all so deserving of God's ear! Much love to you, N TenHouseCats wrote: hip hip meow! i'm SO happy to hear this. ask barb, last night i was so worried when you hadn't posted anything that i was having trouble getting to sleep!
Re: Add Tad to the CLS
Gloria, I'm sorry to hear about Tad. You're friend must be so upset with his parents because of what happened. It's so sad that not everyone is as understanding and indulgent about living with a loved one that happens to be a different species. I wonder if your friend will consider having their parents sleep in the back yard if/when they become incontinent. I don't know Gloria, one of the first things that went through my head was that Tad at least crossed quickly and he was living his last days the way he wanted to. Not much consolation to a grieving fur-parent though. Please send your friend my condolences, N Gloria Lane wrote: Please add my friend's cat Tad (not FELV) to the Candlelight list. Tad was older - about 16, a pretty yellow-orange cat with a sweet disposition. He was injured while being outdoors several weeks ago. My friend said he was going to keep Tad inside after that, but they didn't. There was problems of Tad peeing on the carpet, so my friend's older mom and dad started letting Tad out after supper. He was hit be a car on their busy street and killed. I'm just really sad and angry about this since it could have been prevented. I am comforted to know that at least Tad had a long happy life. Gloria
Re: Tux is home!
YES YES! I am so happy to read this Tux was in my prayers yesterday and today. I'm ecstatic that he's back with his people, and that this story had a happy ending. Cheers, Lance
Re: Add Tad to the CLS
aw, gloria, i'm sorry. how awful this must be for your friend. i echo everything nina said (specially about putting the parents out in the yard). GLOW to guide tad to the bridge, and to help heal all the sadness this has evoked.-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Tux is home!
Thank you Lance. I'm sure that your good thoughts, along with so many others, helped Tux finally come out of hiding. Thanks everyone for indulging me with this way OT thread. Nina Lance Linimon wrote: YES YES! I am so happy to read this Tux was in my prayers yesterday and today. I'm ecstatic that he's back with his people, and that this story had a happy ending. Cheers, Lance
Re: Interferon Omega - info for person wanting help
Hi Karen, Yes, the IO is the stuff that hasn't yet been approved by the FDA yet and is administered subq. You have to get a special dispensation from the FDA and I ordered mine from the UK. It is pricey. When I was getting it for Grace and Jazz it was costing me about $700 bucks with exchange rate and shipping. Below is the paste for help in getting the dispensation. The last time I talked to my vet's office they were still getting calls from all over the country and they don't have any problem with helping. For anyone interested in starting the process of obtaining Feline Interferon, (Virbagen Omega)... My vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, at Veterinary Medical and Surgical Group in Ventura CA (805-339-2290)has made an "FDA packet" that she will fax out to anyone's vet who is interested in starting the special dispensation process. She says everything they need to know will be in there, and of course they can call her if there are further questions. Since only vets can apply, only they, or their offices should call. If she's not available, have your vet leave their voice and fax numbers on her voice mail. If you have any trouble, email me directly and I'll call her. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Since I am getting the moon pie kitty and I have been out of felv for a few years I would also like some info on the new Omega interferon. Can anyone explain the difference? where can you get it and the cost? Karen
Re: a little help with litter training the new cat
Hi Jeni, I'm sorry Yodel is having difficulties adjusting :(. You didn't mention if Yodel's stool is normal looking, or if it is loose. I'm wondering if using the bathtub had to do with seeking privacy. He might have felt safer when in, um, such a vulnerable position, having the walls of the tub around him. Why don't you try a covered box? You could add that just about anywhere without worry about the dogs helping them to a smelly treat, (unless your dogs are small enough to go in there too!). You said you changed the type of litter you were using, but you didn't say what kind it is. I have found that my cats prefer the silty clumping litter the best. Maybe because it's softer on their paws, more like outside dirt in consistency and not as messy in between litterbox cleaning. From what you say, it sounds like Yodel may need a little more time to acclimate to your household. One technique for litterbox aversion, that is not health related, is to isolate kitty in a smaller room with one or two litterboxes readily available. So putting Yodel back into the bathroom, might help on both counts. I use a screen door on the bathroom at first to allow the new cat to adjust to their new home's sights and smells, it's hard on them to be isolated behind closed doors. After they have gotten used to everyone's presence and there is no more hissing, I'll switch to a low barrier, (my dogs respect barriers though). That way Yodel can retreat back to his safe haven just by hopping the barrier. Of course, Papoose can follow, but it will be easier for Yodel to contend with him and it will have been established that it's Yodel's territory which will give him the upper paw. One other thing, make sure there are plenty of high perches that Yodel can quickly retreat to throughout the apt. Knowing he can escape unwanted attention quickly will help him feel more secure. I'm sorry about your husband's coat, but I'm betting that Yodel is much more upset about things than he is! Nina JENI RECA wrote: Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel-lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat) ...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into...thank you oh and papoose seems to like to beat up yodel and hold him down and then lick him furiously and then beat him up again..is that odd? (i just feel bad for the new cat, cause he is such a lover and he hates the dogs and papoose is a bully to him)
Re: Tux is home!
Yep, poor little lamb wasn't far at all! I wonder if he's exasperated with us for being so lousy at hide and seek! N BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: Nina, that's wonderful news! I guess this is one more recommendation for the theory that often lost kitties are not far away. Bonnie
Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research?
This was posted on one of my Katrina boardsI went to the Website and they do say in their section on euthanization that for a small fee, they will NOT sell the animal for research! I know they are not the only animal control facility that does this but for folks in MI, a heads up! http://www.co.jackson.mi.us/Agencies/animalShel/Support.asp Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Eric Rice; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kathryn Bloomfield Subject: [svlegal] Do We Have Katrinas Here I just received this email from Peggy, of my local rottie rescue group. I don't know if they took in any Katrina pets, but thought I would post just in case. Janis Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: Fw: Animals sold to research from Michigan shelter PLEASE SPEAK OUT ON THIS!! Crosspost, call and write the shelter and any city officials we can find to stop the selling of shelter animals for experiments... - Original Message - Subject: Purebred senior GSD and other animals sold to research/Michigan Owners must pay fee up front to insure their animal is euth'd. Otherwise, it is sold to reseach lab. I assume all strays end up being experimented on..Please crosspost everywhere. Thank you! If pets cannot be pulled, then maybe fees could be called in and paid to have them euth'd. very sad. http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action=""> Jackson Co. Michigan Animal Control 2004 Blackstone Jackson, Michigan, 49203 Phone: (517) 788-4464 Fax: (517) 780-4750 Office: Monday through Friday 8 a.m. - 5 p.m. No money transactions will be started after 4:45PM. Kennel: Monday through Friday 10 a.m. - 5 p.m. (from Co. govt. website) It has recently been publicized that Jackson County Animal Control Shelter has a high kill rate and that we sell animals to Class B research facilities. We wish to re-enforce to the public that we do everything we can to find homes for the animals that are in our facility. As of July 2003 there has been 933 dogs and 1,583 cats turned into the shelter. Of these animals 560 dogs and 146 cats have been picked up by an Animal Control Officer. Thankfully, 80 of these animals were claimed/returned to their owners, and the adoption rate, for animals available for adoption, was at 30% as of July 2003. This is an amazing figure for Jackson County Animal Control Shelter since in the previous year the adoption rate for the entire year was 31%. It costs about $16.36 dollars to euthanize and cremate a 50 pound dog, which is the size that is usually taken by research. It cost about $3.42 dollars to euthanize and cremate a 8 pound cat, which is the size that is usually taken by research. It is a fact of life, revenue must be generated in order to keep a facility operational. One way that Jackson County Animal Control Shelter is able to produce revenue is by selling certain animals to research. By selling select animals to research we have been able to generate over $4,000 in revenue over the 2002 - 2003 years. Where the cost of euthanization and cremation would have been over $6,000. We at the Jackson County Animal Control Shelter respect the thoughts and/or feelings of the public on this matter. Therefore we find it is important to stress that not all animals that come to the Jackson County Animal Control are sold to research. No animal is sold to research until all other avenues have been exhausted within the holding period to find these animals a home including adoption to the public, rescue groups, US Customs, Paw for a Cause and human societies. Additionally, if an animal is turned into the Jackson Animal Control Shelter the person dropping off the animal is given the option of paying a fee to ensure that the animal will not be sold to research. We hope you find our website useful. Jackson County Government strives to provide service to the people we are privileged to serve. Contact Jackson County Today With Your Comments or Questions! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svlegal on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research?
oh, darling, we in michigan are VERY well aware of this-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Tux is home!
good chance, i bet--and hissed that he wasn't missed enough! (in his little mind, at least!) On 3/26/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, poor little lamb wasn't far at all!I wonder if he's exasperatedwith us for being so lousy at hide and seek! NBONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:Nina, that's wonderful news! I guess this is one more recommendation forthe theory that often lost kitties are not far away.Bonnie -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Interferon Omega - info for person wanting help
Would it help if I flew to pick it up? I fly free
Re: Interferon Omega - info for person wanting help
700.00 worth give a take is this a one time thing or do they have to stay on it everyday forever like the regular interferon. Karen
Re: Tux is home!
Thank God. I have been so worried about Tux. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Tux is home! Thank you everyone for your help and prayers! Yesterday I went over to my sister's to help her implement all your wonderful suggestions, (another one we got off-list was to spray my sister's urine around the perimeter of the house!). I began combing my sister's yard, and her adjacent neighbor's yards armed with cat kibble to shake. Connie was anxious to distribute fliers and knock on doors so she interrupted me to join her in that. Now of course I wish I had continued, but she was so upset and thought the way to get Tux back was to enlist the help of other humans. I agree, but I think your good thoughts and the help of ACs was even more valuable, (thank you Hideyo for all the contacts). Anyway, as I was driving home, my sister called me to tell me Tux had been found!!! I was so relieved I burst into tears. We had confined her other cat to Connie's bedroom and opened most of the doors and windows in case Tux found his way home. When she opened her bedroom door, Sam scooted out and Connie dashed around in a panic shutting the house back up, (poor Connie!). When everything was quiet again, she heard a little meow. She looked over at Sam playing quietly and listened intently. Again the little meow. She followed it to the attached garage door, and there was little Tux! Dirty, hungry, and very relieved. He'd been hiding in the garage for 3 days. She said they must have checked the garage 10 times, but the little stinker is an excellent hider. What we got from the ACers made sense too. It was mighty dark in there, (thank you Marylyn), and there was old lumber and concrete that he very well could have been hiding under, (thank you Mary and Marylyn!). Hooray! It's so nice to have a happy ending. What would I do without all of you! Nina
Re: a little help with litter training the new cat
Just ideas that I may have already posted: Try a fairly large Rubbermaid container with an unscented litter. The high sides may provide security as Nina has suggested. You could try it with and/or without the lid on it. My cats had scented litter. I strongly urge you not to use it. Arm and Hammer makes an unscented (almost) one and I think there are others. Once I found one my cats accepted I didn't change. Have Yodel's anal glands checked. They may be impacted. Use Feliway spray where he should not go and in his area in general. Try Rescue Remedy in his water. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: Re: a little help with litter training the new cat Hi Jeni, I'm sorry Yodel is having difficulties adjusting :(. You didn't mention if Yodel's stool is normal looking, or if it is loose. I'm wondering if using the bathtub had to do with seeking privacy. He might have felt safer when in, um, such a vulnerable position, having the walls of the tub around him. Why don't you try a covered box? You could add that just about anywhere without worry about the dogs helping them to a smelly treat, (unless your dogs are small enough to go in there too!). You said you changed the type of litter you were using, but you didn't say what kind it is. I have found that my cats prefer the silty clumping litter the best. Maybe because it's softer on their paws, more like outside dirt in consistency and not as messy in between litterbox cleaning. From what you say, it sounds like Yodel may need a little more time to acclimate to your household. One technique for litterbox aversion, that is not health related, is to isolate kitty in a smaller room with one or two litterboxes readily available. So putting Yodel back into the bathroom, might help on both counts. I use a screen door on the bathroom at first to allow the new cat to adjust to their new home's sights and smells, it's hard on them to be isolated behind closed doors. After they have gotten used to everyone's presence and there is no more hissing, I'll switch to a low barrier, (my dogs respect barriers though). That way Yodel can retreat back to his safe haven just by hopping the barrier. Of course, Papoose can follow, but it will be easier for Yodel to contend with him and it will have been established that it's Yodel's territory which will give him the upper paw. One other thing, make sure there are plenty of high perches that Yodel can quickly retreat to throughout the apt. Knowing he can escape unwanted attention quickly will help him feel more secure. I'm sorry about your husband's coat, but I'm betting that Yodel is much more upset about things than he is! Nina JENI RECA wrote: Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel-lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat) ...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into...thank you oh and papoose seems to like to beat up yodel and hold him down and then lick him furiously
Re: Tux is home!
I imagine he is wondering what the ^*(()^ took you all so long to find him. No cat would take that long to find a friend. :)) If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Tux is home! Yep, poor little lamb wasn't far at all! I wonder if he's exasperated with us for being so lousy at hide and seek! N BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: Nina, that's wonderful news! I guess this is one more recommendation for the theory that often lost kitties are not far away. Bonnie
Re: Interferon Omega - info for person wanting help
the outcome was simply a miracle on paws... What was the outcome? Is there a thread I should check to read more about it? Paolo or anyone else can reply to me here or off-list at my address if this has been discussed very much. I'm new to the list, as my cat recently tested positive with ELISA, so I'm anxiously looking for options that might help her. Thanks, Lance
RE: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research?
Didnt mean to offend anybody in Michigantoo sadly, I know they are not uniquejust never quite seen it posted right out there like that! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research? oh, darling, we in michigan are VERY well aware of this -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Add Tad to the CLS
I'm with Nina. When his folks get old and too much to handle, how about sticking them in the back yard and letting them sleep out there. Terri - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Add Tad to the CLS Gloria,I'm sorry to hear about Tad. You're friend must be so upset with his parents because of what happened. It's so sad that not everyone is as understanding and indulgent about living with a loved one that happens to be a different species. I wonder if your friend will consider having their parents sleep in the back yard if/when they become incontinent. I don't know Gloria, one of the first things that went through my head was that Tad at least crossed quickly and he was living his last days the way he wanted to. Not much consolation to a grieving fur-parent though.Please send your friend my condolences,NGloria Lane wrote: Please add my friend's cat Tad (not FELV) to the Candlelight list. Tad was older - about 16, a pretty yellow-orange cat with a sweet disposition. He was injured while being outdoors several weeks ago. My friend said he was going to keep Tad inside after that, but they didn't. There was problems of Tad peeing on the carpet, so my friend's older mom and dad started letting Tad out after supper. He was hit be a car on their busy street and killed. I'm just really sad and angry about this since it could have been prevented. I am comforted to know that at least Tad had a long happy life. Gloria
Re: Add Tad to the CLS
I'm sorry to hear about this, too. Anything that can be prevented by something as simple as keeping the cat indoors makes it hard to handle. As you said, Tad did have a long life. That's something to be happy about, though he should have had more time. I hope your friend is hanging in there. I know how hard it is. Speaking for myself, and probably many others on this list, our cats are our kids. Take care of your friend and yourself. Lance
Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research?
nothing that anyone has been able to do far has made any difference; they just don't care and clearly aren't concerned with what other people might think i think it's good that people get to see such arrogance, actually On 3/26/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't mean to offend anybody in Michigan—too sadly, I know they are not unique—just never quite seen it posted right out there like that! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research? oh, darling, we in michigan are VERY well aware of this -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Interferon Omega - info for person wanting help - Lance
Lance tell us about your kitty and how you found out he/she is positive. Is he asymptomatic, (seemingly healthy)? How old is he, etc? When I first found out my bottle babies had felv, I started researching like a mad woman, (as everyone on this list has done), and found out about Interferon Omega. Unfortunately it isn't approved in the US yet and not so easy to come by. Go to our archives, http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk%40felineleukemia.org/ and type in Interferon Omega, or Virbagen Omega in the find box and see what comes up. We've talked extensively about it and all the other things we do to help our kitties. I just re-posted my vet's info for help in acquiring it. Please ask as many questions as you like. You've probably already noticed what a wonderful group this is. The folks here are not only knowledgeable, but loving and considerate too. From your concern over my sister's lost kitty Tux, I can tell you'll fit right in. Sorry about your baby, but there is reason to hope. Felv isn't the immediate death sentence so many, (including some vets), believe. Hang in there and let us hear from you. Nina Lance wrote: the outcome was simply a miracle on paws... What was the outcome? Is there a thread I should check to read more about it? Paolo or anyone else can reply to me here or off-list at my address if this has been discussed very much. I'm new to the list, as my cat recently tested positive with ELISA, so I'm anxiously looking for options that might help her. Thanks, Lance
Maizee Grace
Hi all,I just needed to tell someone that I am having a really bad missing my baby girl cry.This happens every so often but not as much as it used to.I knew EVERYONE here would understand. She has been gone almost 5 months and it still hurts so much. I have had many cats in my life come and go,but I don't ever remember hurting this much for this long.If it were not for you wonderful caring people, I don't know how I would have made it through the toughest times.sorry to unload this sadness onto you,I just knew you would understand. Thanks Sherry New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.
Re: Tux is home!
In a message dated 3/26/06 12:27:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hooray! It's so nice to have a happy ending Oh Nina.. How woderful for Tux, your sister, you and all involved in the efforts to bring Tux home!!! I LOVE HAPPY ENDINGS!!! Patti her Motley Crew
Re: Maizee Grace
Just the other day, I had a good missing-my-baby-cry too. Sylvester has been gone since last June and some days it still hits me really hard. I also lost a sweet baby about 4 years ago (exactly 4 years in just a few days) so this time of the year is still really hard for me. Sylvester had leukemia and was only 3 years old. My other cat, Smoky, had cancer and was 2 days shy of his 3rd birthday. In other words, yeah, I completely understand. Chris
Re: Maizee Grace
Sherry, I understand. I've lost some very close feline friends. It's not something that can be gotten over easily, because we always love them. Our love for them continues, even when they aren't here to receive it. Sometimes, something hits us out of the blue that makes us desperately long for them to be with us again, or to be back in the time that they were still here. I think that missing beloved animal companions is the most aching and sad pain I've ever felt. Be easy on yourselves. Remember the great things about them, and cherish those things. We have led richer and more meaningful lives for having had them with us. Lance
Re: Maizee Grace
I should note that I was actually addressing both Sherry and Chris. I was crying too, so things might not have come out right. Take care. Lance
Re: Maizee Grace
thank you Chris and Lance for your comforting wordsLance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should note that I was actually addressing both Sherry and Chris. I was crying too, so things might not have come out right. Take care.Lance Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Ember
Three weeks ago, my mom took her 2 year old cat, Sadie, to the vet. Sadie had not been eating as well as usual, was getting noticeably thinner, and was listless. This had only been going on for a week or so. She obviously didn't feel good. Sadie tested positive for feline leukemia. The prospects, according to the vet, weren't good. I don't know what was said, other than that her life could only be prolonged a bit, and that she'd have to be isolated. My mom was as upset as I've ever seen her when she came to pick me up from work. She'd had Sadie put to sleep. I couldn't grieve for Sadie right then. Not only was it too much, but I became immediately worried about my cat, Ember. Ember is almost 4 years old. She tested negative for FeLV as a kitten. I don't know that she'd ever been vaccinated for it. We'd lived in an apartment in Madison, Wisconsin for several years, and I decided we should move back to my hometown in Arkansas for a number of reasons. We moved in with my parents, who had, a month before, taken in Sadie. Sadie wasn't tested for FeLV. I don't think my dad knew to ask, and the vet apparently didn't volunteer. Ember and Sadie were good buddies. Ember is petite for an adult female, and Sadie used to jump on her and bite her. They loved to play. I'm guessing that this was the mode of transmission, as, an hour or so after Sadie was put to sleep, I took Ember to the vet. She tested positive. We have three other cats. Two of them, a 2 year old male and a 13 year old male, are indoor only, while a 6 year old male is indoor/ outdoor. All tested negative, despite grooming each other (Sidney would groom Sadie at times), eating from the same dishes and sharing sleeping spots on occasion. Ember and I went to another vet a week later. She still tested positive (not faint and not strong; right in the middle). Her white blood cell count was at the lowest end of normal possible. The rest of her blood work was good. She had (has?) a slight rasp in her throat. Otherwise, no problems. Not even stress-related fever. She's eating and drinking well, and enjoys the games we've started playing, now that she's isolated in my room. The vet put her on interferon (1cc/day, five days on/five days off). I stopped feeding her Prescription Diet t/d dry food, and switched her to Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul dry and Felidae canned. I'm hoping to get her on Innova EVO dry and canned in the next few weeks. I regret that it took FeLV for me to find out that Hill's is not the best thing to be feeding any pet. I'm going to call a holistic vet that's nearby sometime this week. I'm trying to decide if I should seek a third opinion in the more traditional medicine area, but I really like my current vet. He at least offers hope, and he's experienced. That's where things stand for Ember and I now. I've cried more in the last two weeks than I think I've cried total in my life. As you all who are attached know, they're are kids. Ember is my child. Anything I can do to help her, I will. If anyone has a suggestion or a thought, I look forward to it. To those so inclined, I ask for your prayers. Lance
Re: Ember
Lance my prayers and thoughts are with you and Ember (pretty name).Felv is such a sad thing to go through,at least for me and Maizee it was.But I have heard stories on here of cats with felv living long happy lives.I hope Ember can be one of the lucky ones. When I found out Maizee was felv+ I was devastated,she was only 8 months old when I found out,and she had a massive lymphoma crushing her airway to where she could not swallow hardly at all and her breathing was heavy.We started her on chemo and within 3 days she was eating and breathing normally.She went through chemo for 6 months before she went down hill again.I decided not to put her through anymore.she was such a trooper.We had a very special bond that developed in the 6 months of treatments,I believe she knew that everthing I did I did because I loved her so much,at least I hope she did.I had to give her a pill everyday,vitamins every morning.And most of the time she just went along with the program.I believe she saved it all for the vet,she sure gave then hell when she was there.she got a lot of attitude out in such a short life(15 months).One thing I know I'm sure of,is that no matter how much stress,money and heartache I went through for my beautiful Maizee,it was all worth it to have her with me as long as I was able.Sometimes I can look at all the pictures of her and smile and laugh,then times all I do is cry.My heart does ache for her very much.tHank you for letting me share this with you.I will have you and Ember in my prayers.Bless you. SherryLance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three weeks ago, my mom took her 2 year old cat, Sadie, to the vet. Sadie had not been eating as well as usual, was getting noticeably thinner, and was listless. This had only been going on for a week or so. She obviously didn't feel good. Sadie tested positive for feline leukemia. The prospects, according to the vet, weren't good. I don't know what was said, other than that her life could only be prolonged a bit, and that she'd have to be isolated. My mom was as upset as I've ever seen her when she came to pick me up from work. She'd had Sadie put to sleep. I couldn't grieve for Sadie right then. Not only was it too much, but I became immediately worried about my cat, Ember.Ember is almost 4 years old. She tested negative for FeLV as a kitten. I don't know that she'd ever been vaccinated for it. We'd lived in an apartment in Madison, Wisconsin for several years, and I decided we should move back to my hometown in Arkansas for a number of reasons. We moved in with my parents, who had, a month before, taken in Sadie. Sadie wasn't tested for FeLV. I don't think my dad knew to ask, and the vet apparently didn't volunteer. Ember and Sadie were good buddies. Ember is petite for an adult female, and Sadie used to jump on her and bite her. They loved to play. I'm guessing that this was the mode of transmission, as, an hour or so after Sadie was put to sleep, I took Ember to the vet. She tested positive.We have three other cats. Two of them, a 2 year old male and a 13 year old male, are indoor only, while a 6 year old male is indoor/ outdoor. All tested negative, despite grooming each other (Sidney would groom Sadie at times), eating from the same dishes and sharing sleeping spots on occasion.Ember and I went to another vet a week later. She still tested positive (not faint and not strong; right in the middle). Her white blood cell count was at the lowest end of normal possible. The rest of her blood work was good. She had (has?) a slight rasp in her throat. Otherwise, no problems. Not even stress-related fever. She's eating and drinking well, and enjoys the games we've started playing, now that she's isolated in my room.The vet put her on interferon (1cc/day, five days on/five days off). I stopped feeding her Prescription Diet t/d dry food, and switched her to "Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul" dry and Felidae canned. I'm hoping to get her on Innova EVO dry and canned in the next few weeks. I regret that it took FeLV for me to find out that Hill's is not the best thing to be feeding any pet.I'm going to call a holistic vet that's nearby sometime this week. I'm trying to decide if I should seek a third opinion in the more traditional medicine area, but I really like my current vet. He at least offers hope, and he's experienced.That's where things stand for Ember and I now. I've cried more in the last two weeks than I think I've cried total in my life. As you all who are attached know, they're are kids. Ember is my child. Anything I can do to help her, I will. If anyone has a suggestion or a thought, I look forward to it. To those so inclined, I ask for your prayers.Lance Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
Re: Interferon Omega - info for person wanting help
Hey Lance, glad to see you made it to this list... Gloria in Little Rock At 04:38 PM 3/26/2006, you wrote: the outcome was simply a miracle on paws... What was the outcome? Is there a thread I should check to read more about it? Paolo or anyone else can reply to me here or off-list at my address if this has been discussed very much. I'm new to the list, as my cat recently tested positive with ELISA, so I'm anxiously looking for options that might help her. Thanks, Lance
Re: Add Tad to the CLS
It was hard on him to lose Tad, and hard for me too - I was so angry and sad and all that. Just hope that they've learned something about taking care of cats. We buried Tad this afternoon, in a lovely place, with stones on top, I got out a nice old pillow case with pretty embroidery. Sigh. Gloria At 06:02 PM 3/26/2006, you wrote: I'm sorry to hear about this, too. Anything that can be prevented by something as simple as keeping the cat indoors makes it hard to handle. As you said, Tad did have a long life. That's something to be happy about, though he should have had more time. I hope your friend is hanging in there. I know how hard it is. Speaking for myself, and probably many others on this list, our cats are our kids. Take care of your friend and yourself. Lance
Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research?
I tried to send them a message, but their web site had a technical difficulty. Maybe they really don't want people to contact them. Gloria At 06:07 PM 3/26/2006, you wrote: nothing that anyone has been able to do far has made any difference; they just don't care and clearly aren't concerned with what other people might think i think it's good that people get to see such arrogance, actually On 3/26/06, Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't mean to offend anybody in Michigantoo sadly, I know they are not uniquejust never quite seen it posted right out there like that! Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:15 PM To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research? oh, darling, we in michigan are VERY well aware of this -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Interferon Omega - info for person wanting help
Hi Lance, Sorry you have to be here but welcome !
