Re: [Felvtalk] Night Terrors OT
Boy, that is strange, sounds like he has been traumatized in the past. You could possibly try an anti-anxiety med or even the kitty prozac. I use buspirone for my kitty w/high anxiety. He used to be an only cat, then I continued to rescue one cat after another and now have 4 others which he finds difficult to deal with after being the one and only for so long. The buspirone has little to no side effects and doesn't make them sedentary. The only side effect I have seen in him is that he purrs ALOT more than ever. It only costs me $20 from my vet for 100 pills and they are very small. It has helped him (and me) tremendously. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Hey Tamara, I wish I could help you with a suggestion for your cat with the night terrors. My cats don't do this, but my husband does He has horrible nightmares and starts hitting and flailing in the middle of the night. I've gotten decked so many times I've finally moved into my own room. He feels terrible about this, but he can't seem to control it. I hate sleeping alone, especially in the winter when it's cold :-( Lorrie On 12-07, tamara stickler wrote: Hello all, ? This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. ? I took in?stray tabby about 3 years ago.? Had him?neutered and vetted.? He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food.? He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly?believes himself to be a dog.? He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!).? But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. ? Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us.? Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH)?from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up.? Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes.? If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. ? I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something.? All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area.? She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. ? I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes.? ? As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!).? (Not to mention...I've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. ? Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? ? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time?? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting less...at the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) ? Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
have you brrn able to find out why it is not allowed in the state? is it just a political thing or a medical reason? i will check with my vet and see if he can come up with an answer. dorlis LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: As some of you may have read in my post from last week, my vet and I had planned to start Bridget on LTCI. Unfortunately, when my vet tried to order it, there was a problem. For some reason, the GA state vet isn't allowing the drug into the state at this time, for anybody - some legal issue. So.what are my options? I was excited hopeful about the possibilities of this drug now Bridget can't have it. What other therapies can you folks recommend? I've used interferon with two cats with no success. Bridget is currently asymptomatic, but I would like to try something, anything, to buy her as much time as possible. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
to get them into the blanket is the problem. my blessed children seem to know what i am up to and are always 1 step ahead of me. dorlis Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: Just in case you haven't tried it, gently wrapping a cat in a nice, thick blanket helps. It may or may not calm the cat but it offers protection for the person. On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Debbie Bates wrote: OMG, the exact words I said to my Baby Ruben..glad I'm not the only one who has had a hellion! But, my oh my, how he owned my heart!! Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:37:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never gets sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect his brain consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling session into carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, You better never need life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing you. (I suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a transdermal option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and there and he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for vet trip, getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the times you realize that they're a lot smarter more determined then we humans are! Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us not to learn-LOL. You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the meds into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me. Pill pockets are great -if your cat likes them. Sneaking a pill in between a couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then will just look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help. S, do not feel you are alone. I suspect each of us has had at least one cat for whom pilling was a nightmare. I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure. Try sneaking small pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty likes-ham, turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing it cause the cat will catch on after a couple of times. Christiane Biagi -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan Yalvac Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills. He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis. It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills. Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything. Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot manage to medicate a cat orally? On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: What are the pills? Gary Bugrahan Yalvac wrote: Hi, All, I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to med him through his mount, it didn't work at all. Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat? Thanks, Bugra ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
would that apply to all litters or just clay? i am using Fresh Results from Walmrt (have discontinuted at all stores in my area so have to drive 1 - 1/2 hrs to get it. they have dropped it in over 500 stores, but still have a lock on it so no other stores can sell under that name. Petsmart has it under another name at double the price) it is corn/pine, same texture as clay, but biodegradeable, weighs half as much as clay and my babies all love it. it also takes care of odor. Arm and Hammer has same formula, but finer texture and it tracks like crazy. Feline Pine is good on everything except texture, comes in pellets and my guys and girls don't like it. hurts their paws or so it seems, shake their feet when get out of box because it sticks between pads. dorlis Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: Eating litter is usually a sign of anemia, was he checked for that? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Night Terrors OT
buspirone sounds like my Annie could use some of that. she was an only cat and isn't too happy with others around and since she is one of my positive kittys. going to ask my vet about that. maybe Nitnoy and Casey could use some also. they and Annie are all alpha females and create most of the tension around here. Nitnoy is also positive. she is also super sensitive about having her tail touched. Raccoon bit it off and left her with a 4 stump. i have been woried about the stress issue for her and Annie and this could be the answer. thanks a lot. dorlis Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Boy, that is strange, sounds like he has been traumatized in the past. You could possibly try an anti-anxiety med or even the kitty prozac. I use buspirone for my kitty w/high anxiety. He used to be an only cat, then I continued to rescue one cat after another and now have 4 others which he finds difficult to deal with after being the one and only for so long. The buspirone has little to no side effects and doesn't make them sedentary. The only side effect I have seen in him is that he purrs ALOT more than ever. It only costs me $20 from my vet for 100 pills and they are very small. It has helped him (and me) tremendously. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Hey Tamara, I wish I could help you with a suggestion for your cat with the night terrors. My cats don't do this, but my husband does He has horrible nightmares and starts hitting and flailing in the middle of the night. I've gotten decked so many times I've finally moved into my own room. He feels terrible about this, but he can't seem to control it. I hate sleeping alone, especially in the winter when it's cold :-( Lorrie On 12-07, tamara stickler wrote: Hello all, ? This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. ? I took in?stray tabby about 3 years ago.? Had him?neutered and vetted.? He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food.? He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly?believes himself to be a dog.? He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!).? But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. ? Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us.? Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH)?from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up.? Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes.? If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. ? I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something.? All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area.? She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. ? I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes.? ? As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!).? (Not to mention...I've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. ? Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? ? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time?? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting less...at the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) ? Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
am forwarding this to my vet. he is open minded and could use this for other patients. i have a couple who get respiratory infections off and on and want to try this for them. it certainly is easier on them than antibiotics. dorlis Tower Laboratories Corporation sa...@towerlaboratories.com wrote: Happy to help, Gloria. If you need any information at all about the protocol, please keep my numbers (below) and call me any time. You may have guessed by now that I am very passionate about this and beyond anxious to start seeing pet owners trying this safe and effective protocol for their own sick cats. I hope to have a Web site with more information online soon. In the meantime, I can't tell you enough how important it is to read Dr. Fred Klenner's Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C (full text available online at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm), and Dr. Wendell Belfield's paper Megascorbic Prophylaxis and Megascorbic Therapy: A New Orthomolecular Modality in Veterinary Medicine (full text available online at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm). I have seen IV vitamin C work a miracle for three of my cats with lymphoma, upper respiratory and recently FIP, and though far from an expert on the subject, I am certainly an expert at trying. :-) Sally Snyder Jewell Tower Laboratories Corporation Manufacturers of Pauling Therapy Formulas for Coronary Heart Disease Since 1996 http://www.HeartTech.com E-mail: sa...@towerlaboratories.com Toll Free: 1-877-TOWER-LABS (1-877.869.3752) Voice: 502.368.2720; 502.368.2721 Fax: 502.368.0019 Pauling Therapy Information Web site: http://www.HeartTech.com Pauling Therapy Order Link: http://www.PaulingTherapyStore.com The products manufactured by Tower Laboratories Corporation, Inc. are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent disease in the United States. Without prejudice to the generality of the contents herein, this message is not meant nor intended to diagnose, treat, or otherwise mitigate any health related condition. This message does not attach any legal liability onto the originator thereof. This communication may also contain information which is confidential, and therefore privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you have received this message by error, please delete the email and destroy any copies of it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia! Thanks again, Sally. I'm a great believer in vitamin C, have taken megadoses of it myself with good results. I haven't used it methodically in cats like you have, although I have used Belfield's Vitamin C. When I get another cat with early FIP or FELV like you're talking about, I'll see about finding a vet who'll do an IV drip - wish I'd done it with some of my cats who've now passed on. Gloria in Arkansas On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:44 AM, S. Jewell wrote: Gary, I used the Mega C Plus on a feral FeLV cat for six months but ultimately he did not seroconvert because it was already in his bone marrow. Had I the opportunity to start megadoses of oral vitamin C at the beginning stages of his virus he would likely still be alive, because like taking C for the common cold, timing is key in stopping the progression of viruses. Ascorbic acid is critical for prevention and optimal health in cats and dogs, but it is nearly impossible to get enough of it into a cat orally to eradicate an aggressive, life-threatening virus once well-established. Cats and dogs make very little vitamin C in the liver compared to most animals, hence the reason they succumb to these diseases. I talked with Wendell Belfield, DVM about his use of this protocol and he confirmed that if the infection/disease/virus is too advanced a more aggressive approach is necessary through sub-Q or IM injections or intravenous infusions. Though an excellent formula, his oral Mega-C Plus contains iron, which can limit the amount than can be used therapeutically. Otherwise, there is no toxic limit for pure ascorbic acid and the more you can get into the cat up to bowel tolerance, the more beneficial. When the body is under stress (animal or human) and fighting illness, more vitamin C is tolerated and necessary to eradicate the disease/virus. The myths about kidney stones, peeing expensive urine, etc., are just that - myths, propagated by those who would stand to lose huge money were ascorbic acid widely accepted and used for eradicating
[Felvtalk] gassy cat
Harley is sleeping in my arm as i write, passing gas big time. he has done this before and you can smell it all the way across the room. any suggestions as to why? is he eating too fast? gets same food as Dee, Hill's kitten healthy development. Lord have mercy, i love him, but! dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia! to Hotmail Junk!!!
It sure is!! We don't live to far from American River College. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: OK-I didn't realize that we are in the same area!! How crazy is that? I live in Rio Linda (Sacramento County) with my kitties, horses and antique Aussies (all over 10 yrs old). Citrus Heights is within 15-20 minutes away. Small World! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] gassy cat
Try giving him probiotics. They help with the gas. I've had that problem with young cats who have come in from the pine thicket. No idea why though unless there is a food allergy. In my cats' cases it may be the change of food and the (new) regularity of food. On Dec 12, 2009, at 7:43 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Harley is sleeping in my arm as i write, passing gas big time. he has done this before and you can smell it all the way across the room. any suggestions as to why? is he eating too fast? gets same food as Dee, Hill's kitten healthy development. Lord have mercy, i love him, but! dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] gassy cat
It could even just be that Harley swallows a lot of air with his food. Not sure how to deal with that... Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] gassy cat Try giving him probiotics. They help with the gas. I've had that problem with young cats who have come in from the pine thicket. No idea why though unless there is a food allergy. In my cats' cases it may be the change of food and the (new) regularity of food. On Dec 12, 2009, at 7:43 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Harley is sleeping in my arm as i write, passing gas big time. he has done this before and you can smell it all the way across the room. any suggestions as to why? is he eating too fast? gets same food as Dee, Hill's kitten healthy development. Lord have mercy, i love him, but! dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
