Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"

2015-10-25 Thread Lorrie 
On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". 
> That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes.  As
> property, do they not have any value?  They deserve respect at the
> very least.  Any one tell me my cats are just property and not
> deserving of love, respect and proper care had better be prepared
> to run as fast as he can.  Someone once said he would use them for
> target practice.  I told him he would be lying on the ground next
> to them.
-
I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico
kitten about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right
in the middle of town and this creep saw her at the same time and
wanted to feed her to his "pet python". Well you can be sure he
didn't get this poor baby. She is still with us, spayed, happy and
loved.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy

2015-10-25 Thread Ardy Robertson 
Yes, he had the vaccination and quit eating/drinking so they gave him sub-cu
fluids and put him on some pills. I read the side effects of the pills and
it said it could cause convulsions in puppies but there had never been a
recorded case of convulsions in cats. Scotchy had a convulsion and died. I
told them that it must have been a side effect of the pills but they didn't
think so. I believe it all started with the rabies vaccination. Now, I do
not vaccinate my cats for rabies if they are going to be lifetime house
cats. I had to get a stray cat vaccinated for rabies because I was getting
her spayed and they would not spay until she was vaccinated. She turned into
a very expensive stray because I took her in to be fixed, and they did an
ultrasound and found babies! So we had to wait until her babies were born to
get her spayed. I was able to find good homes for all 4 of the babies.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy

On 10-25, Ardy Robertson wrote:

> Ya, after Scotchy died following his rabies vaccination, they insisted 
> on testing him for rabies because he had dug his claws into my arm 
> hanging onto me for dear life when I took him back to the vet. They 
> said they had to be sure he didn't have rabies in which case I would 
> have been exposed. I had to pay $100 for them to send his head to 
> Madison to be tested for rabies. They were really encouraging me to 
> pay $700 to send his whole body down there.
> Hello!! I already had a dead cat - if they wanted to send his whole 
> body they could do it without my $700. (I paid the $100 and tried not 
> to think about what was going to happen.)
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How awful for you. I'm sorry you lost Scotchy and went thru that ordeal.
Did he die due to a reaction from his rabies vaccination?

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy

2015-10-25 Thread dlgegg 
After Shorty lost hair following a vaccination, none of my cats get anything.  
Harley is the only one to venture off the deck and he goes to a neighbors house 
to visit with her, then comes home.  Clyde our mountain lion has never gotten 
less than 150 ' from the house plus rabies is the least of my problems with him.

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> Yes, he had the vaccination and quit eating/drinking so they gave him sub-cu
> fluids and put him on some pills. I read the side effects of the pills and
> it said it could cause convulsions in puppies but there had never been a
> recorded case of convulsions in cats. Scotchy had a convulsion and died. I
> told them that it must have been a side effect of the pills but they didn't
> think so. I believe it all started with the rabies vaccination. Now, I do
> not vaccinate my cats for rabies if they are going to be lifetime house
> cats. I had to get a stray cat vaccinated for rabies because I was getting
> her spayed and they would not spay until she was vaccinated. She turned into
> a very expensive stray because I took her in to be fixed, and they did an
> ultrasound and found babies! So we had to wait until her babies were born to
> get her spayed. I was able to find good homes for all 4 of the babies.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lorrie
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:13 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy
> 
> On 10-25, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> 
> > Ya, after Scotchy died following his rabies vaccination, they insisted 
> > on testing him for rabies because he had dug his claws into my arm 
> > hanging onto me for dear life when I took him back to the vet. They 
> > said they had to be sure he didn't have rabies in which case I would 
> > have been exposed. I had to pay $100 for them to send his head to 
> > Madison to be tested for rabies. They were really encouraging me to 
> > pay $700 to send his whole body down there.
> > Hello!! I already had a dead cat - if they wanted to send his whole 
> > body they could do it without my $700. (I paid the $100 and tried not 
> > to think about what was going to happen.)
> -
> How awful for you. I'm sorry you lost Scotchy and went thru that ordeal.
> Did he die due to a reaction from his rabies vaccination?
> 
> Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

2015-10-25 Thread Kelley S 
My understanding of panleuk (distemper) and parvo are that they are 2
different things, that dog parvo may have mutated from panleuk but they are
not the same.but I am not a vet so...

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> No – it’s primarily for red cell production. It is used for this in humans
> too, with severe cases of genetically-caused anemia. I found it worked on
> all three cell lines though, but it was the RBC’s/haematocrit (PCV) values
> that bounced back first. I think that because it has stimulating effects on
> the bone marrow, this is why it eventually perks up production of white
> cells and platelets as well.
>
>
>
> As I mentioned in my summary of what happened to Zander, we first noticed
> that Winstrol was having a positive effect because his gums started to pink
> up.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Maya D'Alessio
> *Sent:* October-24-15 7:36 AM
> *To:* Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
>
>
> Question about the Winstrol - is it good for RBC too? or mostly just the
> WBC? Has anyone used it in concert with Epogen (Erythropoeitin)? Or used
> Epogen instead?
>
>
>
> I'm concerned about the paleness of Merlot's gums. He still has decent
> energy though.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"

2015-10-25 Thread Ardy Robertson 
Bless you for that Lorrie -- I cannot understand people sometimes. It seems
people either love or hate cats, not much in between. Glad I'm in the love
em column :)

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"

On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". 
> That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes.  As property, 
> do they not have any value?  They deserve respect at the very least.  
> Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, 
> respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he 
> can.  Someone once said he would use them for target practice.  I told 
> him he would be lying on the ground next to them.
-
I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten
about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle
of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to
his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is
still with us, spayed, happy and loved.
-
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy

2015-10-25 Thread Lorrie 
On 10-25, Ardy Robertson wrote:

> Ya, after Scotchy died following his rabies vaccination, they
> insisted on testing him for rabies because he had dug his claws
> into my arm hanging onto me for dear life when I took him back to
> the vet. They said they had to be sure he didn't have rabies in
> which case I would have been exposed. I had to pay $100 for them to
> send his head to Madison to be tested for rabies. They were really
> encouraging me to pay $700 to send his whole body down there.
> Hello!! I already had a dead cat - if they wanted to send his whole
> body they could do it without my $700. (I paid the $100 and tried
> not to think about what was going to happen.)
-
How awful for you. I'm sorry you lost Scotchy and went thru that
ordeal.  Did he die due to a reaction from his rabies vaccination?

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"

2015-10-25 Thread dlgegg 
The problem is that those who do not love and respect animals, do not love and 
respect humans, were never taught the value of life.  They go on to become a 
threat to the life of all.

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> Bless you for that Lorrie -- I cannot understand people sometimes. It seems
> people either love or hate cats, not much in between. Glad I'm in the love
> em column :)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lorrie
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:09 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
> 
> On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> > It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". 
> > That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes.  As property, 
> > do they not have any value?  They deserve respect at the very least.  
> > Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, 
> > respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he 
> > can.  Someone once said he would use them for target practice.  I told 
> > him he would be lying on the ground next to them.
> -
> I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten
> about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle
> of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to
> his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is
> still with us, spayed, happy and loved.
> -
> Lorrie
>  
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

2015-10-25 Thread Ardy Robertson 
Ya, after Scotchy died following his rabies vaccination, they insisted on 
testing him for rabies because he had dug his claws into my arm hanging onto me 
for dear life when I took him back to the vet. They said they had to be sure he 
didn't have rabies in which case I would have been exposed. I had to pay $100 
for them to send his head to Madison to be tested for rabies. They were really 
encouraging me to pay $700 to send his whole body down there. Hello!! I already 
had a dead cat - if they wanted to send his whole body they could do it without 
my $700. (I paid the $100 and tried not to think about what was going to 
happen.)


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 2:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU 
SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE.

 Maya D'Alessio  wrote: 
> My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing 
> potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in 
> most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is 
> literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a 
> concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that 
> have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to 
> use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two 
> vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has 
> been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was 
> quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really 
> interested in hearing me out
> 
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing 
> > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but 
> > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is 
> > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of 
> > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs 
> > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they 
> > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! 
> > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very 
> > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've 
> > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other 
> > vet is not really interested in hearing me out
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ardy – good for you!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back 
> >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a 
> >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left 
> >> with “what-ifs”.
> >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. 
> >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not 
> >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what 
> >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I 
> >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
> >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson
> >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM
> >>
> >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but 
> >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one 
> >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I 
> >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a 
> >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk 
> >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, 
> >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see 
> >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about 
> >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me 
> >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be 
> >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. 
> >> He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows 
> >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little 
> >> furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible 
> >> done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care 
> >> longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the 
> >> unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about 
> >> instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to

Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy

2015-10-25 Thread dlgegg 
I call that money hungry, pure and simple

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> On 10-25, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> 
> > Ya, after Scotchy died following his rabies vaccination, they
> > insisted on testing him for rabies because he had dug his claws
> > into my arm hanging onto me for dear life when I took him back to
> > the vet. They said they had to be sure he didn't have rabies in
> > which case I would have been exposed. I had to pay $100 for them to
> > send his head to Madison to be tested for rabies. They were really
> > encouraging me to pay $700 to send his whole body down there.
> > Hello!! I already had a dead cat - if they wanted to send his whole
> > body they could do it without my $700. (I paid the $100 and tried
> > not to think about what was going to happen.)
> -
> How awful for you. I'm sorry you lost Scotchy and went thru that
> ordeal.  Did he die due to a reaction from his rabies vaccination?
> 
> Lorrie
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