Re: OT:FIV false positive?
I'm not very up to date on reading the posts lately so may easily have missed something ... but most of us have our FIV+ mixed with our negatives unless the positive is aggressive since it usually takes a deep bite to pass the disease. FeLV+ is more contagious and not as many are mixed with negatives. Is there another reason to separate her if she is FIV+? Del - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: OT:FIV false positive? Buddha (Squeekie)s blood work came back from a lab when we did ELISA in house clinic test, she was negative on FeLV/FIV then, Antech lab did the virus test again on ELISA (by mistake since I did not ask them to do so, but they did it anyway by mistake), but on their ELISA test from the lab, the FIV came back as positive. I had a similar thing happened to one my other kitties, Rikki when I first rescued him, the ELISA (both in house test and antech lab) came back as negative, 2 months later, we re-tested him again, and the antech came back as positive on FIV (did not do in house at this time) but I have always felt (just a feeling) that it was false positive for some reason, but the meantime, he was isolated from others just in case and two or three years later (which is sometime last year), I tested him again, and this time, in ELISA, both in house clinic and Antech lab came back as Negative, and ELISA/Western Blot by Cornell came back as negative, but DNA test through another lab came back as Positive which was very confusing. And I was supposed to send it again to UC Davis for another DNA test as recommended by Cornell but never have so he is still isolated. Also, he is asymptomatic (no symptoms at all). Again, I have three other FIV (definite FIV) boys, but they are all healthy, unlike FeLV, many cats dont necessary die from FIV, but die with FIV so its hard to tell from their heath condition sometimes. But because of the inconsistency, he is still alone, which makes me feel very badly. I should probably do another test and see what happens soon. Anyway, I guess I have to do the same thing for Buddha (run western blot and another ELISA, and possibly IFA and DNA test I had to anesthetize her to draw blood last time, and probably have to do so again, which I hate to do, but, I really cant merge her with other kitties without knowing for sure of the results because of the risks to other cats anyway, I am writing this to you in case you have any insights on this situation. Unlike FeLV virus, once you have the FIV virus in the body, the virus tends to stay so once its positive, s/he will always be positive so inconsistency of the results (from positive to negative) comes from false test result, thats what I read and heard. Everyone, regardless, please pray for Buddha that she does not have FIV I really wanted her to merge with the cats in the main house which will make it difficult otherwise. Again, thank you for listening, and I appreciate any advise or input. Thank you. Hideyo
Re: NutriGest Info
Julie - let us know when you get this NutriGest and if it works ... my Santiago (negative)AKA Mr. Poop,has had the diarrhea forthe month I've had him. Ten days of Flagyl and numerous doses of Amforol and his butt is no longer a #10 cherry without sphincter controlBUT still having big problems. Once he actually had a formed stool and I was very excited. The next trip to the litter box was a splatter :( Santiago came fm a terrible living situation where there were many cats and NO litter boxes ...the home had to be burned. He's a tuxedo purr factory. Del - Original Message - From: Julie Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: NutriGest Info Hi Everyone, NutriGest is a product that Nina's Gypsy had prescribed for IBD and I thought it might be just the thing for my Coco (IBD). I don't have any holistic vets nearby so I went searching on the 'net. It's actually kind of hard to find; it looks like the company will only sell to vets. Here's the link to the vet hospital where I was able to purchase it: http://mantenoanimalhospital.com/pet_products.htm I can't tell you much about their service since I haven't received it yet. Hope this helps; can't wait to get it since Coco is doing better, but even with pred and flagyl, he's still having diarrhea. Take care everyone, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
RE: Hartz product problems..... again, petition and info.
I agree! You go girl! tonya"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karolyn--you are one brave and gutsy lady. Thank you! Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karolyn LountSent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:29 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Hartz product problems. again, petition and info.Some years ago when Hartz came out with Blockade Flea Tick killer.This product was killing cats and dogs right and left. The Wall StreetJournal came out with an article about it on their front page. I madehundreds of copies. First I went to Albertson's aka Lucky markets andasked to see the manager. After his reading the article he had it allremoved from the store and had their distribution center return it tothe Hartz company. The very next morning at work I received a phone fromthe Hartz company asking me what I though I was doing. I told them I wasgoing to do everything I could to get it off the market. After going toLuckys I went to Walgreens. The manager there pulled all the productsout of their store. I then went to Woolworth's and again it was removedfrom their store. In a few day I was on a flight out of town. I took athousand copies with me. In the airport, in a very loud voice I asked ifthere were any pet owners there. Within no time at all my copies butone were gone. I found a copy machine and made several hundred morecopies. I handed them out on the plane and in the airport I wastraveling to. With in the next few weeks Hartz pulled the product offthe market.The best way to get this new product off the market is for everyonereading this is to come up with a notice of what this product is doingto animals and make several hundred copies of it and go see managers ofall the stores you can. Pass it out to people on the street even go toyour local airport if you can and Shopping Malls Get it to as manystores and people you can. If you are really lucky your local News Papermight pickup on itThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT:FIV false positive?
Thank you for responding. Theoretically, yes, unless there do have a bite wound by the positive cat, the FIV should not be transmitted easily to negative cats. I also read research where they mix positives and negatives where they did not see apparent fighting or biting, and some % of the negatives became positives after a several months - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Del Daniels Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:FIV false positive? I'm not very up to date on reading the posts lately so may easily have missed something ... but most of us have our FIV+ mixed with our negatives unless the positive is aggressive since it usually takes a deep bite to pass the disease. FeLV+ is more contagious and not as many are mixed with negatives. Is there another reason to separate her if she is FIV+? Del - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: OT:FIV false positive? Buddha (Squeekie)s blood work came back from a lab when we did ELISA in house clinic test, she was negative on FeLV/FIV then, Antech lab did the virus test again on ELISA (by mistake since I did not ask them to do so, but they did it anyway by mistake), but on their ELISA test from the lab, the FIV came back as positive. I had a similar thing happened to one my other kitties, Rikki when I first rescued him, the ELISA (both in house test and antech lab) came back as negative, 2 months later, we re-tested him again, and the antech came back as positive on FIV (did not do in house at this time) but I have always felt (just a feeling) that it was false positive for some reason, but the meantime, he was isolated from others just in case and two or three years later (which is sometime last year), I tested him again, and this time, in ELISA, both in house clinic and Antech lab came back as Negative, and ELISA/Western Blot by Cornell came back as negative, but DNA test through another lab came back as Positive which was very confusing. And I was supposed to send it again to UC Davis for another DNA test as recommended by Cornell but never have so he is still isolated. Also, he is asymptomatic (no symptoms at all). Again, I have three other FIV (definite FIV) boys, but they are all healthy, unlike FeLV, many cats dont necessary die from FIV, but die with FIV so its hard to tell from their heath condition sometimes. But because of the inconsistency, he is still alone, which makes me feel very badly. I should probably do another test and see what happens soon. Anyway, I guess I have to do the same thing for Buddha (run western blot and another ELISA, and possibly IFA and DNA test I had to anesthetize her to draw blood last time, and probably have to do so again, which I hate to do, but, I really cant merge her with other kitties without knowing for sure of the results because of the risks to other cats anyway, I am writing this to you in case you have any insights on this situation. Unlike FeLV virus, once you have the FIV virus in the body, the virus tends to stay so once its positive, s/he will always be positive so inconsistency of the results (from positive to negative) comes from false test result, thats what I read and heard. Everyone, regardless, please pray for Buddha that she does not have FIV I really wanted her to merge with the cats in the main house which will make it difficult otherwise. Again, thank you for listening, and I appreciate any advise or input. Thank you. Hideyo
CLS Monday 3/28/2005
Hi All, Here is the service for Monday the 28th. I hope all the furkids are doing well. Take care all ... I apologise to Felix's Mom, I know you wanted me to add Felix to the prayer list but I can't find the email so I don't know what his prayers are for and I don't recall your name. I have added Felix but only with a generic message, please email me with the info. Again my apologises. FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com
Re: OT:FIV false positive?
hideyo, i would be very interested in seeing any info showing non-aggressive contact passing the FIV virus--that goes against everything i have read and if there IS such info, it's important that all of us with positives know! (i tend to suspect it's not current info, but since things change so quickly now that they're actually doing research, i'm open) thanks! MC
RE: OT:FIV false positive?
I will try to find it - it was an official experimental study done by someone (whom of course I can't remember) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:FIV false positive? hideyo, i would be very interested in seeing any info showing non-aggressive contact passing the FIV virus--that goes against everything i have read and if there IS such info, it's important that all of us with positives know! (i tend to suspect it's not current info, but since things change so quickly now that they're actually doing research, i'm open) thanks! MC
Re: OT:FIV false positive?
of course you can't remember! no matter how carefully i try to file things so i can find them again, it always takes ages! that's part of the reason i'm beta-testing the new google-email service--you can search through things much more efficiently. hope you can find it tho, since i truly hope it's WRONG (looking at the two FIVs lounging around with the others) thanks MC On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:50:45 -0700, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will try to find it - it was an official experimental study done by someone (whom of course I can't remember) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:FIV false positive? hideyo, i would be very interested in seeing any info showing non-aggressive contact passing the FIV virus--that goes against everything i have read and if there IS such info, it's important that all of us with positives know! (i tend to suspect it's not current info, but since things change so quickly now that they're actually doing research, i'm open) thanks! MC
Re: OT:FIV false positive?
Hideyo, I too suspect that it's faulty info. I have a friend that rescues and has taken in FIV+. As long as they are friendly she mixes them with the negatives and has never had any others come up + because of it. Most vets will advise on the side of caution. I know you have a lot to consider at your house, but I truly hope you don't have to isolate another kitty. You have probably surmised from my posts that I feel it is a lousy way for them to live. Yes, they're safer, but is that always the most important thing? I worry about the quality of life for poor little Ginger, and now, after all Buddha has been through, I hate to think of her sharing that fate. Just my opinion, which I can't seem to keep to myself! Nina TenHouseCats wrote: hideyo, i would be very interested in seeing any info showing non-aggressive contact passing the FIV virus--that goes against everything i have read and if there IS such info, it's important that all of us with positives know! (i tend to suspect it's not current info, but since things change so quickly now that they're actually doing research, i'm open) thanks! MC
Feline Sanctuary in Santa Barbara
Hello Everyone, My name is Trina and I was wondering if any of you know about the sanctuary in Santa Barbara that takes in Felv+ kitties. I would like to contact the owner to find out how to find a forever home for the two sisters I am fostering. Thank you so much for any information. Trina
Re: OT:FIV false positive?
on the other paw, nina (that phrase is how you can tell i'm a libra)--sometimes i think we judge a cat's comfort needs in our terms rather than in theirs. WE may not want to live in one room, but for someone who's never known regular shelter, food, care, warmth--perhaps it IS enough for them. at the sanctuary, ferals and strays did really well, while housecats couldn't handle it--it's pretty easy to tell when a cat is depressed. we had two feral moms who would NOT leave the condo cage they went into when first captured. they loved each other, they ate, they played, they looked out windows, they tried to kill us when we had to medicate them--and wanted nothing to do with humans or other cats. when eventually they were forced into the general population and their cage taken away, they started to fail rapidly--that cage was their home, and it was their safety so it truly depends on the cat. the equally humble MC
Re: OT:FIV false positive?
MC, You're absolutely right, it does depend on the cat. Every being is an individual and I've met my share of loners. I can guarantee you that my Ursula would much prefer to be an only cat. I was trying to train her out of her surly behavior to some of our other cats, and secluded her in the bedroom when she got nasty. It worked really well, but not for the reasons I thought it would! She very much liked having her own space away from the bothersome quadrupeds. In her case though, I don't think her attitude would have improved if I hadn't let her majesty out when she wanted. Our little Gypsy, on the other hand, would have been absolutely miserable if she had been shut away from the other kittens, (she's our born-in-the-wild feral) She's been smitten with Ursula from day one and when she was released from new-comer segregation, she would follow her around the house (at a safe distance!), just to be near her. It took her months to trust the humans, but I'm sure her progress was hastened from watching how the others interacted with us. Even Kimba, who was a complete social misfit, was very unhappy being isolated. He finally learned some manners because it became clear he only got to stay in general population when he behaved like a gentleman. Nina TenHouseCats wrote: on the other paw, nina (that phrase is how you can tell i'm a libra)--sometimes i think we judge a cat's comfort needs in our terms rather than in theirs. WE may not want to live in one room, but for someone who's never known regular shelter, food, care, warmth--perhaps it IS enough for them. at the sanctuary, ferals and strays did really well, while housecats couldn't handle it--it's pretty easy to tell when a cat is depressed. we had two feral moms who would NOT leave the condo cage they went into when first captured. they loved each other, they ate, they played, they looked out windows, they tried to kill us when we had to medicate them--and wanted nothing to do with humans or other cats. when eventually they were forced into the general population and their cage taken away, they started to fail rapidly--that cage was their home, and it was their safety so it truly depends on the cat. the equally humble MC
