date:20051126

Hideyo,I had a cat with liver disease and she was on the denasyl as well.I really don't know anything specific about diet that will help you in addition to what Michelle has already written.tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hills has a prescription liver diet called L/D. Lucy actually gets it combined with K/D right now because her bladder stone was ammonia urate and this is the diet they recommend to try to keep it from coming back. I generally don't like Hills because they put a lot of crap in their food (by-products and such), but if you really think he has liver
problems you might want to try it. I do use Hills when a prescription diet is actually needed.IVD, another prescription food company, tends to put better ingredients in their food, and you can also get it online without a prescription. They might have a liver formula as well.A very good supplement for liver health is SAMe, which you can buy in the health food stores. Vets sell a version of SAMe called Denasyl, which they prescribe specifically for cats with liver failure, but all it is is SAMe and it is more expensive. I am not sure of the SAMe dosage for a cat, but you could look up Denasyl online and see how much SAMe is in each pill.MichelleIn a message dated 11/18/2005 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you have any suggestion as to diet for liver problem kitties, I would really appreciate it! I know that I have to give good protein food â but what should I give? This is for my miracle cat, Garfunkle and I appreciate any information, thank you!!!

RE: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties

My vet has started carrying "Royal Canin"... which I 'think' I recall is a better brand than Hill's. I know I don't like to use Hill's and my cats do like it better! There are several veterinary forumlations for different problems. You might want to check to see if there's one for liver problems?tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thank you, Michelle I know what you mean by Hills I do use A/D and K/D occasionally.. at least they
dont put BHT or BHA on these ones.Do you happen to have a link to IVD?Garfunkles tummy is all extended, I think its because of liver his blood work shows liver inflammation and he is jaundice Right now, I am force feeding baby food or KMR with syringe as it is hard to give any solid food. Do you think liver shake is bad for liver problem kitties?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: need
advise: diet for liver problem kittiesHills has a prescription liver diet called L/D. Lucy actually gets it combined with K/D right now because her bladder stone was ammonia urate and this is the diet they recommend to try to keep it from coming back. I generally don't like Hills because they put a lot of crap in their food (by-products and such), but if you really think he has liver problems you might want to try it. I do use Hills when a prescription diet is actually needed.IVD, another prescription food company, tends to put better ingredients in their food, and you can also get it online without a prescription. They might have a liver formula as well.A very good supplement for liver health is SAMe, which you can buy in the health food stores. Vets sell a version of SAMe called Denasyl, which they prescribe specifically for cats with liver failure, but all it is is SAMe
and it is more expensive. I am not sure of the SAMe dosage for a cat, but you could look up Denasyl online and see how much SAMe is in each pill.MichelleIn a message dated 11/18/2005 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:If you have any suggestion as to diet for liver problem kitties, I would really appreciate it! I know that I have to give good protein food but what should I give? This is for my miracle cat, Garfunkle and I appreciate any information, thank you!!!

Brooklyn's vet visit

2005-11-26 Thread veggiepugs

Well, Brooklyn went to the vet today for an exam and to see about the G.I. 
issues he's been having since last night. 
Dr. said that there's no way he could know whether the diarrhea and vomiting 
are just a GI upset or if it's FeLV 
causing it. FeLV is so confusing. He just explained it all to me and it helped 
some but the more he talked about it, the 
more my brain fried. 

Brooklyn was feeling a little better late around 2am as he asked for food and 
then wanted breakfast this morning 
which he was sure to rush me on. The vet says he looks good, he didn't feel any 
masses or see anything clearly wrong 
with Brooklyn and said he was going to treat these symptoms the same way he 
would with any other cat. So, he gave 
me Flagyl and Fimotidine. I know what Flagyl is for but I'm about to look up 
the other one. I had so many questions 
that I was still asking more as the vet was walking out the door. There was so 
much information flying at me all at 
once that I think I need a nap now. lol. He also said that Brooklyn COULD 
possibly be younger than 5 as he doesnt 
see any tartar/plaque on his teeth really and he's also small but said that 
could be as a result of being a stray. 

He said that he would absolutely recommend that I get him neutered so as to 
prevent any other possible conditions 
for the FeLV to cause and he said something about helping to ease stress by 
calming his hormones, something to that 
effect. He said he is more at risk than a healthy kitten without FeLV but he 
said the procedure literally takes 5 minutes 
from start to finish and that if Brooklyn gets better from this in 3-4 weeks he 
would definitely suggest that. He said he 
also recommends at least some 5 in one vaccine for Brooklyn which I don't 
understand if he's an indoor cat. He said 
rabies is mandatory by state law but that he doesn't vaccinate his cats for it 
(he told me not to tell so shhh...lol). So, 
I have questions for all you wonderful knowledgable FeLV+ cat parents. 

1. Should I vaccinate and if so which yes and which no?
2. Should I neuter? The vet gave what I felt was a good argument, so I'm 
leaning towards yes.
3. Are these medications ok for him to take? 
4. Should I have had him retested for FeLV+ again? 
5. Someone mentioned a specific kind of anesthesia but i couldn't remember what 
it was to ask about it. Anyone?

So, we don't know if these symptoms are FeLV related but he said the only thing 
I can do is watch and see. If it is, he 
said he will probably feel sick on and off until finally he doesn't get well. 
:( But he said that could be 2 weeks from 
now, 2 months from now or 10 years from now and there's no way to tell. He said 
doubtful 2 weeks based on his 
overall appearance and exam. Anyhow, that's all for now. 

Any and all information is so appreciated. Thanks so much everyone!
Hugs,
Rebecca  B-man

Re: Brooklyn's vet visit

2005-11-26 Thread veggiepugs

Oh and PS Brooklyn gained 3.5 pounds.

Re: Cotton crisis

Hi Sandy,I don't think I've ever talked with you on the list before, but let me say welcome! I'm an old timer here who mixes my cats and have not had a problem with it in ten years. Not to say I never will, but I never have.I wanted to ask you about the fish with rice. Maybe your vet recommended it, but we always used chicken broth to cook rice in for sick kitties at the shelter.Good thoughts coming your way for little Cotton. I love that name!tonyaDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ï»¿Thank you Terri: I
willdefinitely look into Pet Tinic. I can tell byCotton's restlessness and the look on his facemost of today that he's still not feeling all that well. He mostly seems to feel bad right after he eats. I'mthinking he's still having some spasms in his intestines and nausea. But he's asking regularly for the faucet to be turned on so he can drink water, he's eating the fish and rice and I mixed in a little wet catfood today, which he kept down. I started him on his Interferon, also.And he's been to the litterbox with normal results, so I'm just going to keep progressing slowly with his diet, and talk to the vet tomorrow about what we should do from here and possibly a kidney ultrasound.It makes me realize that when he does change foods, he's going to need to do it really slowly. I'm still rooting for my little Cotton-ball. He has such an expressive face, I can tell even when he's a shade off color. And I'm trying to teach my son Kellento watch him closely too, since they spend so much time together. That way hetoo willknow the signs of illness.And I know I probably over-reacted abit when I foundCottonsick, but it so breaks my heart to seeanyone in my care anything but happy. Thanks for talking/listening to me about him. Sandy - Original Message - From: Terri Brown To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 8:09 PMSubject: Re: Cotton crisisWell, definitely keep us posted -- I don't write in much (mostly lurk lately since I'm now FeLV free), but I can't bring myself to leave the group.If he seems to be holding his own, maybe try some Pet Tinic if you can find it. Good antioxidant vitamins for the kitties! You could mix it into some wet food for him. Great blood builder. There's another
vitamin like it, but I can't think of the name offhand.I know you can get the Pet Tinic from www.drsfostersmith.com if it isn't available locally.=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^=Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Dudes To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:57 AM Subject: Re: Cotton crisis ï»¿ Aw, thank you Terri.Iworry so much about my little Cotton- ball, because he's still so young and still growing. Hehas been eating boiled fish and rice today, andI can tell he is not feeling as well as he could, but he seems to be on the mend. He's drinking lots of water on his own, and tomorrow I may let him back on dry kibble. Sandy - Original Message - From: Terri Brown To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:56 PMSubject: Re: Cotton crisisNo thoughts, Sandy, but I am thrilled that he seems to be okay now. Sending positive thoughts his way!=^..^= Terri,
Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^=Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Dudes To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 4:36 PM Subject: Cotton crisis ï»¿ Cotton and I havesurvivedour first crisis together. He is fine now, but last night I thought I might lose him. Friday morning he was his usual bouncy self, just a little less hungry, like he's beensince he started taking the Metranidazole (for his bacteria laden stools). I came home from work, andwondered why he didn't greet me as he usually does. I found him in his favorite boy's room laying by the litterbox with a puddle of watery diarrhea next to him. He was weak, lethargic, straining/cramping, vomiting and shivering from

Re: 20 CATS...

Sandy,I know there are animal communicators and I'm kind of in the middle about whether I believe it's real or not. But sometimes I KNOW they understand me or either I'm just crazy. I've had too many coincidences not to question how much we do actually communicate.Another thing, if no one's mentioned them. You might want to try the feliway diffusers. They seem to help with my guys who don't always get along.tonyaDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, I have to thank you, thank you, thank youbecause
I took your advice, and it's totally worked! I did go to bed after thisemail, and I had a talk with Cricket! My husband was working late, so I had the perfect opportunity to do it without feeling silly,and I thought what the heck, I will try it.As she sat on my chest and kneaded my neck like she always does, I told her that she needed to be nicer to Cotton and it makes me sad when sheattacks him and I have to yell at her. I told her what you said, that he alreadyknew that she was a strong girl, and that he was just a little boy, who could learn a lot from her because she's so smart. I told her that he's sick and we might not get to have him around for very long, and it was not good for him to feel bad feelings, that it could make him sicker. (At this point she put her paw on my mouth, but until what happened
later, I thought it was just a coincidence, but I now wonder ifit wasn't) I kissed herlittle foot, and Itold her to be patient with him until he learned to act like her-a very good girl. Now I know that sounds like a long speech to give a cat, but Istroked her head and talked very softly and she looked at me the entire time. Sometimes she looked away, as if she was hearing something uncomfortable, and some of the time she stared at me and seemed interested in my lips moving. I felt better, anyway.The next daythere were NO incidents of her chasing him or stalking him. NONE! It was the first time since he's been here. I saw her watching him at one point, and I
thanked her for being such a good big sister to him.They both looked up at me, asdid Miss, who was nearby. Icould just swearthat she puffed up a little and put her tail a little higher, andlooked very pleased with herself!We have not had another incident of chasing/ambushing/batting heads since. Even when Cotton took a playfulswat at herwith outstretched paw, claws out as she walked by. She just stopped fora minute and stared at him, but I could see her ear cocked at me, like she thought I might say something. She didn't do a thing, she just walked on. Unless I'm imagining things, she totally got it. Anybody else ever talk to their cats and SWEAR they understand? PEACE is
nice. I'm so happy that we have some.:) Sandy- Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:34 PMSubject: Re: 20 CATS...Sometimes I'll shame them into being nicer... You know, something like, Cricket, Cotton knows how tough you are, it's not necessary to be so firm! Be nice to your little brother and Cotton, you respect Cricket, she has a lot to teach you.

Re: Brooklyn's vet visit

Rebecca:
Please remember I am totally new, and I might be wrong, so please keep in
mind that I am learning along side you.  Here are some of my thoughts.

Hm...in my experience with Cotton becoming sick with GI symptoms recently,
the ER vet said that with all FeLV+ cats, they can NOT be treated like a
normal cat, and it should be assumed that any  GI symptoms relate to the
underlying FeLV+ status.  The reasoning I was given is because of the lymph
nodes in their abdomen are usually the first to become involved.

On the other hand, how wonderful is it that Brooklyn is feeling better!  I
might be inclined NOT to give medication, in fear that they might worsen his
symptoms if he is on the upswing.  I think I might wait to see if he can
recover on his own, and perhaps support with plain yogurt, or probiotics.
But that is my opinion only.  Does anyone agree?

Also, and I'm thinking it's because of the difference in our cats' ages,
(Cotton is under a year old), but both vets I talked to about neuter were
very reluctant to put Cotton under anesthesia of any kind, especially so
soon after an episode of illness.  So I'm interested in others' experienced
viewpoint on this matter as well.

And finally, I'm wondering if some bloodwork might have been in order,
definitely a cbc, and a basic metabolic to see how his kidneys/liver
function is, because nausea and vomiting can be symptoms of kidney or liver
problems.Just my thoughts. Someone please correct me if I'm noticing red
flags unneccessarily, and I'm way off base, please correct me.

- Original Message -
From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: Brooklyn's vet visit


 Well, Brooklyn went to the vet today for an exam and to see about the G.I.
issues he's been having since last night.
 Dr. said that there's no way he could know whether the diarrhea and
vomiting are just a GI upset or if it's FeLV
 causing it. FeLV is so confusing. He just explained it all to me and it
helped some but the more he talked about it, the
 more my brain fried.

 Brooklyn was feeling a little better late around 2am as he asked for food
and then wanted breakfast this morning
 which he was sure to rush me on. The vet says he looks good, he didn't
feel any masses or see anything clearly wrong
 with Brooklyn and said he was going to treat these symptoms the same way
he would with any other cat. So, he gave
 me Flagyl and Fimotidine. I know what Flagyl is for but I'm about to look
up the other one. I had so many questions
 that I was still asking more as the vet was walking out the door. There
was so much information flying at me all at
 once that I think I need a nap now. lol. He also said that Brooklyn COULD
possibly be younger than 5 as he doesnt
 see any tartar/plaque on his teeth really and he's also small but said
that could be as a result of being a stray.

 He said that he would absolutely recommend that I get him neutered so as
to prevent any other possible conditions
 for the FeLV to cause and he said something about helping to ease stress
by calming his hormones, something to that
 effect. He said he is more at risk than a healthy kitten without FeLV but
he said the procedure literally takes 5 minutes
 from start to finish and that if Brooklyn gets better from this in 3-4
weeks he would definitely suggest that. He said he
 also recommends at least some 5 in one vaccine for Brooklyn which I don't
understand if he's an indoor cat. He said
 rabies is mandatory by state law but that he doesn't vaccinate his cats
for it (he told me not to tell so shhh...lol). So,
 I have questions for all you wonderful knowledgable FeLV+ cat parents.

 1. Should I vaccinate and if so which yes and which no?
 2. Should I neuter? The vet gave what I felt was a good argument, so I'm
leaning towards yes.
 3. Are these medications ok for him to take?
 4. Should I have had him retested for FeLV+ again?
 5. Someone mentioned a specific kind of anesthesia but i couldn't remember
what it was to ask about it. Anyone?

 So, we don't know if these symptoms are FeLV related but he said the only
thing I can do is watch and see. If it is, he
 said he will probably feel sick on and off until finally he doesn't get
well. :( But he said that could be 2 weeks from
 now, 2 months from now or 10 years from now and there's no way to tell. He
said doubtful 2 weeks based on his
 overall appearance and exam. Anyhow, that's all for now.

 Any and all information is so appreciated. Thanks so much everyone!
 Hugs,
 Rebecca  B-man

Re: Cotton crisis




Hello Tonya! And thanks for the 
welcome! 

With Cotton's fish and rice, Ichose that 
because I thought it might be bland enough, and I know he loves fish and 
Ididn't have any chicken broth at the time. So I saved the fish 
water that it was boiled in, and poured it over the rice to make a slurry, 
which he ate great. 

Of course all of the other cats had to have a 
taste. ;) 

After he was feeling a little better, I added the 
juices from wet cat food, and bigger chunks of fish and wet cat food, and 
progressed slowly from there. 

If he were to not like fish, I would have probably 
done chicken broth. Thanks for the idea, I will keep it in mind for the 
future.
Sandy


--- Original Message - 

  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:09 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Cotton crisis
  
  Hi Sandy,I don't think I've ever talked with you on 
  the list before, but let me say welcome! I'm an old timer here who mixes 
  my cats and have not had a problem with it in ten years. Not to say I 
  never will, but I never have.I wanted to ask you about the fish with 
  rice. Maybe your vet recommended it, but we always used chicken broth to 
  cook rice in for sick kitties at the shelter.Good thoughts coming your 
  way for little Cotton. I love that name!tonyaDudes 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ï»¿ 


Thank you Terri:
I willdefinitely look into 
Pet Tinic.
I can tell byCotton's 
restlessness and the look on his facemost of today that he's still not 
feeling all that well. He mostly seems to feel bad right after he 
eats. I'mthinking he's still having some spasms in his 
intestines and nausea. But he's asking regularly for the faucet to be turned 
on so he can drink water, he's eating the fish and rice and I mixed in a 
little wet catfood today, which he kept down. I started him on his 
Interferon, also.And he's been to the litterbox with normal results, 
so I'm just going to keep progressing slowly with his diet, and talk to the 
vet tomorrow about what we should do from here and possibly a kidney 
ultrasound.It makes me realize that when he does change foods, 
he's going to need to do it really slowly. 
I'm still rooting for my little 
Cotton-ball. He has such an expressive face, I can tell even when he's 
a shade off color. And I'm trying to teach my son Kellento watch him 
closely too, since they spend so much time together. That way 
hetoo willknow the signs of illness.And I know I 
probably over-reacted abit when I foundCottonsick, but it 
so breaks my heart to seeanyone in my care anything but 
happy.
Thanks for talking/listening to 
me about him. 
Sandy


- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Terri 
  Brown 
  To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: 
  Sunday, November 20, 2005 8:09 PM
  Subject: 
  Re: Cotton crisis
  
  
  Well, definitely keep us posted -- I don't write in much (mostly lurk 
  lately since I'm now FeLV free), but I can't bring myself to leave the 
  group.
  
  If he seems to be holding his own, maybe try some Pet Tinic if you 
  can find it. Good antioxidant vitamins for the kitties! You 
  could mix it into some wet food for him. Great blood builder. 
  There's another vitamin like it, but I can't think of the name 
  offhand.
  
  I know you can get the Pet Tinic from www.drsfostersmith.com if it 
  isn't available locally.
  
  =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, 
  and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec  Salome' 
  =^..^=
  
  Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
  Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350
  
- 
Original Message - 
From: 
Dudes 
To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: 
Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:57 AM
Subject: 
Re: Cotton crisis
ï»¿ 

Aw, thank you 
Terri.Iworry so much about my little Cotton- ball, 
because he's still so young and still growing. Hehas been 
eating boiled fish and rice today, andI can tell he is not feeling 
as well as he could, but he seems to be on the mend. He's drinking 
lots of water on his own, and tomorrow I may let him back on dry 
kibble. 
Sandy

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terri Brown 
  To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: 
  Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:56 PM
  Subject: 
  Re: Cotton crisis
  
  
  No thoughts, Sandy, but I am thrilled that he seems to be okay 
  now. Sending positive

Re: 20 CATS...

Tonya, I know, I feel the same way. But I did
go and see Sonya Fitzpatrick at a talk she was giving, and I was
impressed. It wasnot so much by her story, which I had heard before,
but by her deep sense of compassion, her positive way of thinking about our
furry loved ones, and how interested she was in people in the audience and the
stories they were wanting to share. Her energy is very calming and
positive, I really felt likeshe was on the up and up. I believe that she was given a gift, and I really felt that
shewas in tune with how animals sense energy.

I'm also a big fan of Cesar Millan, thefamous
Dog Whisperer, and healso supports that dogs sense our energy,
andthe emotions we emit transfer to them. So I think that there is a
lot of truth in what these people have tapped into.

I found it true also when I was doing wildlife
rehabilitation, and had baby squirrels that I raised to release. I found
more sick/injured and deadadult wild squirrels in my yard than I think was
normal. Why? I think it is because they sensed my energy and
myconcern for helping squirrels. I think they came to my yard
looking for help.
Sandy

- Original Message -

From:
catatonya

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:13
PM
Subject: Re: 20 CATS...

Nina,
I have to thank you, thank you, thank
youbecause I took your advice, and it's totally worked! I
did go to bed after thisemail, and I had a talk with Cricket! My
husband was working late, so I had the perfect opportunity to do it without
feeling silly,and I thought what the heck, I will try it.

As she sat on my chest and kneaded my neck like
she always does, I told her that she needed to be nicer to Cotton and it
makes me sad when sheattacks him and I have to yell at her. I
told her what you said, that he alreadyknew that she was a strong
girl, and that he was just a little boy, who could learn a lot from her
because she's so smart. I told her that he's sick and we might not get
to have him around for very long, and it was not good for him to feel bad
feelings, that it could make him sicker. (At this point she put her
paw on my mouth, but until what happened later, I thought it was just a
coincidence, but I now wonder ifit wasn't) I kissed
herlittle foot, and Itold her to be patient with him until he
learned to act like her-a very good girl.

Now I know that sounds like a long speech to
give a cat, but Istroked her head and talked very softly and she
looked at me the entire time. Sometimes she looked away, as if she was
hearing something uncomfortable, and some of the time she stared at me and
seemed interested in my lips moving. I felt better,
anyway.

The next daythere were NO incidents of
her chasing him or stalking him. NONE! It was the first time since
he's been here. I saw her watching him at one point, and I
thanked her for being such a good big sister to him.They both looked
up at me, asdid Miss, who was nearby. Icould just
swearthat she puffed up a little and put her tail a little higher,
andlooked very pleased with herself!

We have not had another incident of
chasing/ambushing/batting heads since. Even when Cotton took a
playfulswat at herwith outstretched paw, claws out as she walked
by. She just stopped fora minute and stared at him, but I could
see her ear cocked at me, like she thought I might say something. She
didn't do a thing, she just walked on. Unless I'm imagining things,
she totally got it.
Anybody else ever talk to their cats and SWEAR
they understand?
PEACE is nice. I'm so happy that we have
some.:) Sandy

- Original Message -

From:
Nina

To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent:
Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:34 PM
Subject:
Re: 20 CATS...
Sometimes I'll shame them into being nicer... You
know, something like, Cricket, Cotton knows how tough you are, it's not
necessary to be so firm! Be nice to your little brother and Cotton,
you respect Cricket, she has a lot to teach you.

Re: Brooklyn's vet visit




Rebecca,
Sounds to me as if you found a good vet! From what you wrote, I 
think, and it's only my personal opinion, that he gave 
you sound advice. (I know the vaccine issue will bring up some debate, so I'm 
not going to go there - I know of the pros  cons, and I'm not crazy about 
vaccines, I think it's more of a personal choice..)

Flagyl is metronidizole, used to treat any bacterial problems that might be 
present, which is a problem with most strays. The famatodine, is just pepcid, 
used to treat nausea, which usually accompanies GI upset. Personally, I 
don't see anything "wrong" using these to treat Brooklyn's symptoms. I 
feel it is possible that the stomach upset  
diarrhea could possibly be a result of his diet change... I mean, who knows what 
he was eating to survive when he was a stray?? (You can experience these 
symptoms also when you change a pet from one food to another, ie: switching 
commercial brands, or switching from processed to raw.)
Like I said, this is my opinion only, but I would 
not jump to the conclusion he's exhibiting symptoms caused by his Felv status. 
("If" he does not respond to this treatment, thenI might explore the 
holistic/homeopathic treatments, but initially I would go this route.)

Have you had a fecal done? Has he been de-wormed?? I am 
learning so much lately about problems kitties can have with diarrhea... The 
possibilities make my head spin.
But parasites are present in ALL cats, and they wreak havoc. And, being 
infested with parasites will cause both diarrhea and vomitting.( Can also 
lead to much worse problems, such as anemia, etc. if not treated.)A fecal 
exam is a real necessity when dealing with a stray exhibiting diarrhea and 
vomitting, actually even when those symptoms are not present a fecal exam is 
"standard" for any new animals

As far as neutering, I agree with the vet. It's been proven that animals 
that are spayed/neutered actually encounter less 
health problems. Once he gets over this GI upset, I would 
definitely have him neutered. And, with a male cat, it IS a 5 minute 
procedure, basically "snip-snip".
Hideyo was advising you to ask the vet to use 
isofuorane (gas) for the surgery, and I agree with 
her. All anesthesia poses a risk, but isofluorane definitely poses a lesser risk 
than the injectable anesthesia (telazol, ketamine, xylazine and the like).
Injectables also stay in the bloodstream much longer  there's just so 
many documented side effects to these drugs, that I also choose NOT to have them 
used when any of my guys need surgery.

And a 3.5 weight gain!! How mah-velous!!!

And, as far as re-testing, again this is my personal opinion, 
but I would have him retested.
You never know, but I like to believe that just maybe, an animal will beat 
this da_n virus.

Best wishes to you and Brooklyn. I hope he rebounds quickly from this 
GI episode. Please keep us updated!!

Hugs,
Patti


(Another thing I just love about this group is the active participation in 
responding to member's postings. It is always great to see different 
viewpoints.)

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Re: Brooklyn's vet visit





In a message dated 11/26/05 2:39:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hm...in 
  my experience with Cotton becoming sick with GI symptoms recently,the ER 
  vet said that with all FeLV+ cats, they can NOT be treated like anormal 
  cat, and it should be assumed that any GI symptoms relate to 
  theunderlying FeLV+ status

I certainly doNOT agree with that vet!!
How can he(she) assume that ALL symptoms are 
related to Felv and NOT treat them??
Sounds to me like this vet is certainly NOT educated in dealing with 
Felv.
With an attitude like that just how many cats are not treated for 
something
Sounds like bad medicine to me.
JMHO,
Patti

Re: Brooklyn's vet visit





In a message dated 11/26/05 2:39:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And 
  finally, I'm wondering if some bloodwork might have been in 
  order,definitely a cbc, and a basic metabolic to see how his 
  kidneys/liverfunction is, because nausea and vomiting can be symptoms of 
  kidney or liverproblems. 

I think until the obvious causes of the GI upset (parasites, bacterial 
infection, perhaps the change in Brooklyn's diet), are ruled out, there's no 
need to get into all the bloodwork/chemistry.
Prior to neuter, OR if the GI problems are not resolved, then I'd have 
bloodwork done.
But for now, I wouldn't start worrying about things like liver/kidney 
disease.
Again, JMHO,
Patti

Re: Brooklyn's vet visit

That sounds reasonable to me. But in vomiting/diarrhea, there can be
electrolyte imbalance from dehydration, sometimes it is a symptom of UTI, both
of whichneed to becorrected right away.Because no
mention of dehydration was made, then bloodwork might not have been indicated
per the vet's discretion. But then again, I don't think it's out of the
question.

I personally asked specifically for it with Cotton, and my reason was to
get a baseline.That way if there is a trend (red blood count getting
lower and lower, for example) then it is easy to compare, and treat early,
asopposed to waiting for a crisis which might be life threatening. A
preventative measure, if you will.

I know not everyone would do what I do, but I just wanted to throw it out
there, and see what everyone says. I in no way feel qualified to give
advice, just want to discuss, ok?
Sandy

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Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:54
PM
Subject: Re: Brooklyn's vet visit

In a message dated 11/26/05 2:39:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And
finally, I'm wondering if some bloodwork might have been in
order,definitely a cbc, and a basic metabolic to see how his
kidneys/liverfunction is, because nausea and vomiting can be symptoms of
kidney or liverproblems.

I think until the obvious causes of the GI upset (parasites, bacterial
infection, perhaps the change in Brooklyn's diet), are ruled out, there's no
need to get into all the bloodwork/chemistry.
Prior to neuter, OR if the GI problems are not resolved, then I'd have
bloodwork done.
But for now, I wouldn't start worrying about things like liver/kidney
disease.
Again, JMHO,
Patti

Re: Postive and Negative Cats?

Hi Allie,

I took a poll here not too long ago regarding mixing
positives and negatives (I haven't posted the results
to as I was waiting for anyone who hadn't had a chance
to send in their experiences yet to do so).  I will
probably post the results next week.  But
overwhelmingly, there is no real evidence that mixing
positives and negatives will result in negatives
contracting FeLV from the positives.  Bonnie (I think)
posted that she had a couple that did contract it from
another, but from what I understood in the post, they
were kittens.  We have figured out that kittens are
the most susceptible to succumbing to the disease, and
maybe they are more susceptible to contracting it. 
But many of us believe that those that turn up with it
later probably were born with it versus being exposed.
 There's probably nothing you can do at home sanitary
wise to combat FeLV other than physically separating
the cats, and anything that they might share in the
way of litter, food, and water as well as saliva (from
grooming).  But I am not convinced that it's so easy
to contract the virus.  If cats are grooming each
other every day and are VERY close and intimate, I can
see the chances increasing dramatically, but if not,
then I believe the opposite to be true.  I have three
inside cats now that Cricket passed away.  Two of them
are 9, and one 16.  None of them were ever separated
from Cricket inside the home and none have contracted
FeLV, even though the two 9 year olds lived with him
for 4 and a half years and the 16 year old lived with
him for a year.  They have always shared all dishes
and litter boxes.  I never took any precautions,
although I didn't know until 2 years ago that Cricket
had FeLV.  I haven't vaccinated any of them in the
last two years, as it hadn't been 3 years since their
last vaccination between the time we found out about
Cricket and when he died.  I will not vaccinate them
next year because they are solely inside cats.  Many
of us here think that most sources say to remove all
negatives immediately or euthanize immediately
because the vets truly don't know how the disease is
spread exactly and that's the best thing they can say
to try make sure they are 100% right.  One of my vets
told me that there is no evidence to support FeLV
being contracting in any way other than through blood
(a fight) or birth.  He said everything else is just
propaganda right now, and I agree with him.

I am sending vibes your way for Leo to be negative,
although I suspect he will be.  And also for Lola. 
Keep us posted.

:)
Wendy 



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Re: Brooklyn's vet visit




Sandy,
I probably did misunderstand what you posted initially, sorry for 
that.
I do understand about treating Felv cats more aggressively. And I know 
about concern for dehydration, and such resulting from diarrhea.
I understand, and agree with what you did concerning Cotton's 
crisis.
I was just stating my personal opinion about Brooklyn's current GI 
ailment. I just believe that until all common 
(for lack of a better word) things are ruled out, I wouldn't be overtly 
concerned that it was due to his Felv status.
Believe me, I am no expert when it comes to Felv, I learn new things every 
day here.
I also was just expressing my opinions, and I'm sorry if my posts came off 
as argumentative, that was not my intention
Just throwing my thoughts out and I am very sorry if I misunderstood 
anything you wrote, or offended you in any way.
That was NOT my intention. 
Patti

Re: Brooklyn's vet visit

Hey Rebecca,

I 100% agree with having Brooklyn neutered, BUT timing
is of the essence.  Make sure he is well over his
illnesses and doing much better beforehand. 
Neutering/spaying will settly him down, as I'm sure
you know from your dogs, which makes for less stress. 
And the ISO gas for anesthesia is the best for kitties
as Patti (I think) said.  Less side effects.  And it
doesn't have to be injected.  It's just gas.  I do
agree that it sounds as if you have yourself a great
vet.  But make sure to keep yourself informed anyway
as our vets may be miracle workers sometimes, but they
are not omniscient.  I know what you mean about your
brain frying!!!  Hope you enjoyed your nap and woke up
rested and ready to do battle again.  lol.  A lot of
people here, some very well-read on the subject, don't
believe that it's necessary for indoor cats to get
vaccines.  I tend to agree with them, and will be
re-evalutating my decision to do ANY vaccinations on
mine next year.  Hopefully one of those well-read
persons will post the pros and cons for you, as there
is good info. out there on that.  Plus, you only have
one inside kitty at home, so what exactly are you
vaccinating against?  The risk that your kitty gets
rabies from your Scooby-Doo house shoes?  lol.  I
think there may be one vaccine that is for an airborne
virus, but again, if the cat is only inside...  If you
do re-test for FeLV, give the kitty some time to throw
the virus off, unless of course, you think the test
was wrong to begin with.  

Hope this helps,
:)
Wendy



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Re: Brooklyn's vet visit

Even if Patti misunderstood Sandy, I understand what
Patti meant about the common misconception that an
illness in an FeLV cat is usually attributed by many
vets to the FeLV.  I think it is important to point
this out to new members.  Cricket had an infection
that he got from his toenails being ripped out while
trying to escape a dog, but at the time, we didn't
know his feet were injured, only that his fever was
skyrocketing, he wouldn't eat or drink, and that he
tested positive for FeLV.  If I would have left his
treatment up to the vet, he would have only lived 2
and a half years versus four and a half.  

All the info. here is good info. for the most part,
and what isn't we discuss rationally.  We are all so
blessed to be in contact with one another.

:)
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Re: Lost my sweet baby to felv

Sherry,

I am so sorry to hear about your kitty's illness and
worse, that you lost her, and so soon too.  She was
just a baby!  Only you and Maizee Grace knew when the
right time was to help her over the bridge.  I commend
you for having the strength to do so.  It's SO hard. 
I am glad you had more time with her after you found
out she was ill, and I bet you made it the best six
months of her life, in lieu of her treatments.  Please
don't feel guilty.  You are the best,

God bless you,
:)
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Re: Brooklyn's vet visit




No problem, Patti, no offense taken. I totally respect your history 
of being a cat mom and also your views. I understand your concern with 
vets that don't know about FeLV, and it's a shame that we feel like we have to 
second guess them. But we do, andI feelvery comfortable with 
the advice given on this list. I feel like all of your advice is more from 
personal experience andmore heartfelt. 

I dofeel like Cotton's vets are good ones, and what's great about 
them is that they both have multi-cat households, one has 6 and the other has 
5! I asked! That they have experience and more importantly intimate 
relationshipswith cats is important to me. 

I hope that we can all continue to share what we feel, because I have 
learned and grown much from the kindness of this list. I have been on 
other lists before with wildlife issues, and while I realize there are many 
personalities, I'm happy to see that this list doesn't eatit's 
young.There's another thing that I can be thankful 
for.Sandy
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 5:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Brooklyn's vet visit
  
  Sandy,
  I probably did misunderstand what you posted initially, sorry for 
  that.
  I do understand about treating Felv cats more aggressively. And I know 
  about concern for dehydration, and such resulting from diarrhea.
  I understand, and agree with what you did concerning Cotton's 
  crisis.
  I was just stating my personal opinion about Brooklyn's current GI 
  ailment. I just believe that until all common 
  (for lack of a better word) things are ruled out, I wouldn't be overtly 
  concerned that it was due to his Felv status.
  Believe me, I am no expert when it comes to Felv, I learn new things 
  every day here.
  I also was just expressing my opinions, and I'm sorry if my posts came 
  off as argumentative, that was not my intention
  Just throwing my thoughts out and I am very sorry if I misunderstood 
  anything you wrote, or offended you in any way.
  That was NOT my intention. 
  Patti

Re: Brooklyn's vet visit





In a message dated 11/26/05 6:58:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm 
  happy to see that this list doesn't eatit's 
young.

Sandy,
Oh my "Eat their young"? 
That's worse than being thrown out for being a vegan!! LOL!!
Not to worryneither will happen here.
Patti

Re: Brooklyn's vet visit

Cricket had an infection
that he got from his toenails being ripped out while
trying to escape a dog

Ow!  Poor Cricket! Bad dog!

If I would have left his
treatment up to the vet, he would have only lived 2
and a half years versus four and a half.

I suppose you could get so focused on one thing, you might miss the forest
for the trees. I think that's an excellent point to remember.
Sandy

Re: Brooklyn's vet visit




Thank you Patti. It's very wonderful to know.
I applaud your self discipline, vegans! I wondered if Tofurkey is 
tasty when someone mentioned it? I like Morningstar soy-veggie 
sausage-like patties. I've been eating those for years and years. 

S


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:01 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Brooklyn's vet visit
  
  
  In a message dated 11/26/05 6:58:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I'm 
happy to see that this list doesn't eatit's 
  young.
  
  Sandy,
  Oh my "Eat their young"? 
  That's worse than being thrown out for being a vegan!! LOL!!
  Not to worryneither will happen here.
  Patti

Brooklyn again

2005-11-26 Thread veggiepugs

Thank you SO much to EVERYONE who gave their opinions. I think it is so 
important to get every viewpoint possible 
because it always gives me more to think about, and helps me to think of things 
I otherwise would not have. And 
even if some of the ideas are opposing or just slightly different, I like to 
have ALL the information I can. I like to 
gather from all directions and utilize everyone's input, because everyone's 
experience is unique to them. Who knows! 
The tiniest thing can end up being coincidental and I would be glad to have 
known it. Anyhow, Brooklyn isn't 
interested in the food I just gave him with his meds. The vet did seem very 
knowledgable about FeLV because I 
initially called him the day after I took brooklyn home. He's new at the 
hospital I go to, a very young doctor. In any 
case, I had just called the hospital and told them to have a dr call me back 
that I could speak to about cats. He spent 
a GOOD deal of time answering my good and dumb questions and was so informative 
and patient. I told him how 
much I appreciated that. Because he sounded so knowledgable about it, I wanted 
to come and see him. So we did. 
He was so nice to Brooklyn, talked to him and snuggled him, petted him. I like 
that. I hate when vets are cold and so 
abrupt. Especially with a fragile animal. They need comfort and calming. 
Anyhow, he said he would treat this as a reg. 
GI infec IN CASE that's what it was he wants to nip it in the bud. The pepcid 
type pill certainly can't hurt, but Sandy, 
I hope that the Flagyl doesn't. He also said he doesn't want to think about 
vaccines or neutering until Brooklyn is 
back on his feet and feeling and looking good. So, right now its about treating 
what we see. Yes he did want a fecal 
but I didn't get one in time for the visit. He gave me a tube and told me to 
get one and bring it over so he can do 
one. As far as the isoflourine, yes I know of it, I read of it when I was 
researching spaying my rabbit. I asked every vet 
what they used and if they didn't say isoflourine on a rabbit, I went to 
another vet because I knew they hadn't been 
up to date on rabbit healthcare. I went through about 4 vets until I found the 
ABSOLUTE best vet which, DUH I just 
remembered, she sees cats too! her practice is called Catnip  Carrots and she 
specializes in rabbits/guinea pigs and 
Cats. Cats primarily. Boy am I dumb. But see...talking these things out is what 
helps us to come up with answers! 
Anyhow, thank you to EVERYONE for all your viewpoints. I appreciate them all 
because they are given out of caring. 
Hugs to all of you!
-Rebecca  Brooklyn

Tofurky





In a message dated 11/26/05 7:18:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I 
  wondered if Tofurkey is tasty when someone mentioned 
it?

Sandy~
That was me, debating whether or not to make myself Tofurky on 
Thanksgiving.
Sadly, my laziness won that debate, and I made linguine with garlic - your 
"not-so-traditional" Thanksgiving dinner Oh well, it was tasty. And I didn't 
have to share with Midnight!! LOL!
As far as the "taste" of Tofurky, I guess it depends on what you're used 
to. As my daughter constantly reminds me, it's been so long since I've 
actually consumed any animal product, I don't have a clue to what they taste 
like. So I think Tofurky is very good.
My daughter, who will soon be 21, has been a vegetarian since 16. Has 
been vegan for the last couple of years. (And, I did NOT force my lifestyle on 
her, I allowed her to make that decision, and, of course I am so pleased with 
her choice! Had I forced my own personal preferences on 
her, she may have rebelled  things could very well be different. 
Needless to say, I am very proud of her..)
Getting back to what I was saying, my daughter sums it (Tofurky) up as 
being something that you need to acquire a taste for..
And, this is something that really "stumps" me, maybe someone has an 
answer
It seems most people (including myself) have turned to a vegan lifestyle 
because of the "humane" issues involved...
So, why is it that all these "meat" substitutes and things are made to 
look, taste, etc. to be so much like meat - the exact thing we are 
excluding from our diets???
Never made sense to me. Some things come so close... I can't fathom 
why.
Just wondering,,, (as the Tofurky still sits in fridge)
Patti

Re: Brooklyn's vet visit




It depends on the vaccine brand and type. I need to know the entire 
vaccine name to be able to advise you. For example here are several "5 in 1" 
vaccines made by different companies:

Feline Focus 5, Durvet: modified live panleukopenia , 
rhinotracheitis, calicivirus, and chlamydia, killed feline leukemia virus.

Fel-O-Vax Lv-K IV, Fort Dodge: feline leukemia, rhinotracheitis(a 
herpes virus), calici, panleukopenia (distemper) and chlamydia psittaci.

Eclipse 4+FeLV, Schering: modified live panleukopenia (feline 
distemper), rhinotracheitis, calicivirus, chlamydia, feline leukemia virus. 


I'm sure there are others I did not find right off hand, but the 
main concern for me is that it seems that all of the 5 in one vaccines all 
contain feline leukemia. You should never ever NEVER give a cat that has feline 
leukemia the feline leukemia vaccine! NEVER! 

The common given "combo" vaccine is called the FVRCP 
(rhinotracheitis virus, calicivirus and panleukopenia virus), and in my opinion 
should be the only vaccine given in a combination form. Here's where my opinion 
differs from the experts (but you'll see, there is logic behind 
it).

American Association of Feline Practitioners and the The 
Vaccine-Associated Feline Sarcoma Task Force (VAFSTF) recommend that vaccines 
containing rabies antigen be given as distally as possible in the right rear 
limb, vaccines containing feline leukemia virus antigen be given as distally as 
possible in the left rear limb, and vaccines containing any other antigens 
except rabies or feline leukemia virus be given on the right shoulder, being 
careful to avoid the midline or interscapular space.

Now, here's how I advise:
Rabies in the right rear limb, just like said above. BUT I give the 
FVRCP vaccine in the left rear limb, and do NOT give the FELV vaccine at all 
EVER. You should definately NOT give your cat the FELV vaccine, since he already 
has it, so I'd advise you have your vet give his rabies in his rightrear 
leg, and his combo vaccine (3 in 1) in his left rear leg. The reason for this is 
because vaccines have been proven to cause cancerous tumors to grow where they 
are given (as often as one in every 1000 vaccines), and it's easier to amputate 
a rear leg than a front leg and shoulder, and it of course, impossible to 
amputate a neck (for those who allow their vet's to give vaccines in the 
scruff). I believe that vaccines should only be given once every 3 years, and 
many new studies do show that the FVRCP vaccine does last that long, and it is 
known that there are several 3 year rabies vaccines on the market now. You 
should seek out and specifically request NON-adjuvanted vaccines. The adjuvant 
seriously increases the risk of sarcoma (cancerous tumor) at the vaccine 
site.

The fourth component in a 5 in 1 or a 4 in 1 vaccine is chlamydia. 
I advise only to give it if your vet has seen cases of it in your area, and 
knows it's needed to protect your cat. It's not a serious virus, even if a cat 
gets it, and IMO, not worth the rsik of vaccine associated 
sarcomas:

Chlamydia is a common bacterial infection, mainly of younger cats and which 
mainly affects one or both eyes and perhaps some sneezing. As you mention, most 
cats are rarely very ill otherwise, and they should recover completely in a few 
weeks (the prognosis is excellent). The drug of choice for treatment is a 
tetracycline eye ointment (vibramycin is a tetracycline) for at least several 
weeks, and there should be a good response in this time.
http://www.tica.org/vet/chlamydia.htm
http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/felinechlamydiosis/


This page explains that calicivirus and herpesvirus accounts for 
90% of all URI, and Chlamydia (also called Chlamydophila) only accounts for 
10%:
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_feline_upper_respiratory.html
It's also very fragile, and basically you need to have direct 
contact with an infected cat to get contamination. Since your cat is indoors 
only, and you don't run a shelter, it's basically not really needed at 
all.
In short, if you feel you need to vaccinate at all, use a 3 way 
FVRCP, and rabies if legally required, but don't give anything else unless you 
KNOW your cat will be exposed to it in the future. I am very concerned that you 
vet is advising you to give a FELV+ cat a vaccine that contains FELV. That is 
very bad. That borders on "find a better vet asap bad".
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Re: Tofurky





In a message dated 11/26/05 9:21:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But I 
  also have not had any meat products for about 19 years

So what would we know???
LOL!!!
Patti

Re: Tofurky

2005-11-26 Thread Gloria B. Lane




Well, I've never made "Tofurky" but I love Tofu. This Thanksgiving, I 
have veggies at a friends family dinner - very nice.

Gloria



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:21 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Tofurky
  
  I think it's great. But I also have not had any meat products for about 
  19 years.
  Michelle

Re: Brooklyn again

 he said he would treat this as a reg.
 GI infec IN CASE that's what it was he wants to nip it in the bud. The
pepcid type pill certainly can't hurt, but Sandy,
 I hope that the Flagyl doesn't.

For what it's worth, I do think that Cotton got enough doses in him to help
a lot.  His tootsie roll litterbox deposits are much more tolerable.  So at
least it was all for something, even though it made him feel so bad.  As
soon as I can get him on super-premium food, probably Innova, I think they
will improve even more.

And I'm hoping my extra-fluffy girl, Miss will slim down a bit.  She's
gained a lot of weight within the last year or two, and it's a worry to me.
Sandy

Re: Tofurky

Maybe they do that because they want you to feel moremainstreamed, if
in case you feel like an anomoly, you will be eating something that resembles
meat. Just a guess.
Many people I know do not care for the taste of veggie products, and I have
to admit that I have tasted more that I don't care for than those that I think
are yummy. Morningstar patties I love, and I also really like their
corndogs. I personally don't care for hotdogs at all, but the Morningstar
fake-weenie-corndog is really good with a little mustard! I do also
likethe fake chicken patties and nuggets, but they give me the worst
heartburn! It's horrible, because I could totally get into them.

Sandy
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From:
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:19
PM
Subject: Tofurky

In a message dated 11/26/05 7:18:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
wondered if Tofurkey is tasty when someone mentioned
it?

Sandy~
That was me, debating whether or not to make myself Tofurky on
Thanksgiving.
Sadly, my laziness won that debate, and I made linguine with garlic -
your "not-so-traditional" Thanksgiving dinner Oh well, it was tasty. And I
didn't have to share with Midnight!! LOL!
As far as the "taste" of Tofurky, I guess it depends on what you're used
to. As my daughter constantly reminds me, it's been so long since I've
actually consumed any animal product, I don't have a clue to what they taste
like. So I think Tofurky is very good.
My daughter, who will soon be 21, has been a vegetarian since 16.
Has been vegan for the last couple of years. (And, I did NOT force my
lifestyle on her, I allowed her to make that decision, and, of course I am so
pleased with her choice! Had I forced my own personal
preferences on her, she may have rebelled things could very well be
different. Needless to say, I am very proud of her..)
Getting back to what I was saying, my daughter sums it (Tofurky) up as
being something that you need to acquire a taste for..
And, this is something that really "stumps" me, maybe someone has an
answer
It seems most people (including myself) have turned to a vegan lifestyle
because of the "humane" issues involved...
So, why is it that all these "meat" substitutes and things are made to
look, taste, etc. to be so much like meat - the exact thing we are
excluding from our diets???
Never made sense to me. Some things come so close... I can't fathom
why.
Just wondering,,, (as the Tofurky still sits in fridge)
Patti

Re: Tofurky

2005-11-26 Thread TenHouseCats

gloria, i've always wondered exactly the same thing! 




made to look, taste, etc. to be so much like meat - the exact thing we are excluding from our diets???
-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

RE: Giving Pills

2005-11-26 Thread Chris

You can try Pill-Pockets--soft mushy treats made with a little pocket to put
pill inside--some cats, like one of mine, will take anything in pill
pockets.  Others, like another of mine, just sort of look at me like I'm
crazy  walk away.  Anyway, when I need to re-order, I google on Pill
Pockets and find whoever is selling them the cheapest.

Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:06 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Giving Pills

OK so, Brooklyn figured it out that I crushed up some pills and put them in
his food. He was fine with the lysine pill in 
there but the Rx meds I got from the vet today he won't eat the food because
apparently it seems like he can smell 
them in there. He was sniffing and sniffing and finally put his paw in it
and decided instead to eat his kibble instead 
of the wet food! Which normally, he LOVES. So, the question is...how the
HECK can I give him his pills? One dose 
wasted already. Help!
-Rebecca

Re: Postive and Negative Cats?

2005-11-26 Thread Allie Deaver

Thanks everyone. Leo tested negative today and was vaccinated. Right
now, he and Lola are separate, just because she's resting and he's
trying to play with her and that's causing some problems. Being as how
she might not have much time left and he's a 4 year old, very strong
cat, I think I'll let them mix for Lola's remaining time on the planet.
She's starting to lose a little weight (despite having a normal
appetite) and the fluid in her lungs is...there...which is not a good
sign. She's still acting quite happy and normal other than those two
things.

AllieOn 11/26/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  
  


Hi Allie,
Nice to meet you and welcome. I haven't read your other emails to the
group, but I thought I'd weigh in here with mo.
I mixed. None of my negatives, (all adults, all vaccinated), turned up
positive in the two years that my pos babies lived. I never worried
about separate feeding dishes, grooming, playing, or litterboxes, (they
had already been mixed when I found out they were pos). I did however
stop taking in any young, older, sick cats, or kittens. I still have
one cat from my pos litter of bottle babies, (Tim). He tested negative
and has remained asymptomatic. I haven't had him retested since, I
figure if he ever gets sick, that will be time enough. There is one
other kitten from the litter, Lucky, (litter of 6 I found at the back
door of a spay/neuter clinic when they were only 2 1/2 weeks old), that
was adopted out before we learned about their status. He too is doing
wonderfully well, but lives alone and is an inside only cat. Lucky has
never been tested. It's a tough decision about mixing, I don't want to
live in a separated household, but I worried for a very long time about
subjecting my negs to the possibility of contracting this terrible
disease. Usually when faced with these hard choices, I go with quality
of life over quantity.
Nina

Chris wrote:

  
  
  
  Four of my cats lived together for several
years before I found out my Tucson was pos. They had not been felv
vaccinated and two had come in as kittens. None of the other three
tested pos and I vaccinate them every year. I did not even consider
separating as they had all lived together for those years and no one
had contracted felv. They eat together, use the same litter box, play
with the same toys, groom each other, and on and on. I brought in a
stray I had been feeding last year and it turned out he was pos but
totally asymptomatic... So, I now have 5--2 pos, 3 neg and my biggest
problem is that Tuscon hates the latest addition.
  
  
  Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Allie
Deaver
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:17 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Postive and Negative Cats?


Hey everyone-

I was wondering...my other cat hasn't been tested yet, but will be
tomorrow. However, whether he is positive or negative, we have a
problem. He either has to live with a positive cat or, when my FeLV+
kitty crosses teh bridge, or if he's positive and can't go into
remission (he shows no symptoms of anything, he's a very healthy cat
overall, except for the usual occassional kitty eye goobers and
hairballs), he'll need a companion, since he does NOT do well alone.
I've been looking for someone with FeLV+ cats for adoption in my area
(Chicago), with no avail. That, and the cats I take in tend to be
needy, homeless strays that choose me (who are then taken immediately
to the vet to be tested, have inital rabies and FVRCP vacs and an exam
before they ever meet the other resident cat, since I can only have 2
at a time). And anyway, if he's a neg, I have no plans to cast off my
kitten just because she has this diagnosis. 

So how do you guys do it? Everything I've ever read says remove all
positive cats from the household or elect euthanasia if you have a
multi-cat household as if it were that easy. 

I'm aware that some of you keep both positives and negatives
together...so I have some questions and I would really love it if you
guys would share some of your experiences with me:
-How do you do it? Are they separated in any way within your home?
-How do you control the virus in terms of cleaning and separation of
LB's and dishes?
-CAN the virus be contained? What other precautions do you take?
-Does this mean I have to stop bringing treated/vaccinated rescued negs
into my house as long as I have a positive cat, should Leo test
positive?
-In your experience, how quickly and readily does the virus spread?
Everything I've read basically says that if you have one positive, you
can count on having more if you're in a multi-cat household. 
-In a household with both negs and positive cats, do you vaccinate the
negs? Why or why not?

I've already gotten some input from Belinda (thank you!) but I just
kind of want to take a survey to see the various outcomes and know all
of my options. If anyone can spare

Re: Giving Pills

OK, here goes.

You need to have the pills in your hand. Approach him from behind, kneel behind 
him,
and reach around his chest, and pull him back under your crotch. Keep your feet 
close
together, so that his body can't go backwards because your feet are behind him, 
and
he can't go up because your crotch is above his back/haunches (you are basically
sitting on the cat now). Slide your hand up from his chest, to around his head, 
hold
his head in your hand, with your hand over the top of his head. You should be 
able to
securely grasp his head like this, using his cheek bones and upper jaw as 
grips. Take
the hand with the pills in it, and hold the pills in between your second, third
fingers and your thumb. Use your index finger to pry his mouth open wide, and 
as soon
as he opens his mouth, quickly drop the pill way back into the very back of his
mouth. Quickly garb his head and hold his mouth closed for a few seconds. If 
you got
it in the very back of his mouth, he will be forced to swallow it, as it will 
be too
far back on his tongue to push out of his mouth (you can always poke it down 
deeper a
bit with your finger if you miss the first try). You may have to do this one 
pill at
a time, with a little break in between. Bigger pills go down easier if you coat 
them
with a tiny bit of butter immediately before giving them (some pills that are 
not
coated or capsules might begin to dissolve if you get them wet or buttery, so be
careful to test it first on one little side). I use this same method for giving
liquids in a dropper (and force-feeding), except I just pry the dropper into 
the side
of the mouth and push the liquid in, allowing them to lap it a little. This 
type of
restraint also works if you need to put drops or ointment in the eyes or ears.

Jenn
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http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
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Adopt a FIV+ cat:
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~~~
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must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send 
them
to!
~
Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has 
your
cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it 
curable.
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Re: Brooklyn again

2005-11-26 Thread Nina

Hi Rebecca,
Forgive me if you've been going over this in previous posts, but I
haven't had time to read all the emails... Is Brooklyn eating okay with
out the meds mixed in?

Nina

veggiepugs wrote:

Thank you SO much to EVERYONE who gave their opinions. I think it is so important to get every viewpoint possible
because it always gives me more to think about, and helps me to think of things I otherwise would not have. And
even if some of the ideas are opposing or just slightly different, I like to have ALL the information I can. I like to
gather from all directions and utilize everyone's input, because everyone's experience is unique to them. Who knows!
The tiniest thing can end up being coincidental and I would be glad to have known it. Anyhow, Brooklyn isn't
interested in the food I just gave him with his meds. The vet did seem very knowledgable about FeLV because I
initially called him the day after I took brooklyn home. He's new at the hospital I go to, a very young doctor. In any
case, I had just called the hospital and told them to have a dr call me back that I could speak to about cats. He spent
a GOOD deal of time answering my good and dumb questions and was so informative and patient. I told him how
much I appreciated that. Because he sounded so knowledgable about it, I wanted to come and see him. So we did.
He was so nice to Brooklyn, talked to him and snuggled him, petted him. I like that. I hate when vets are cold and so
abrupt. Especially with a fragile animal. They need comfort and calming. Anyhow, he said he would treat this as a reg.
GI infec IN CASE that's what it was he wants to nip it in the bud. The pepcid type pill certainly can't hurt, but Sandy,
I hope that the Flagyl doesn't. He also said he doesn't want to think about vaccines or neutering until Brooklyn is
back on his feet and feeling and looking good. So, right now its about treating what we see. Yes he did want a fecal
but I didn't get one in time for the visit. He gave me a tube and told me to get one and bring it over so he can do
one. As far as the isoflourine, yes I know of it, I read of it when I was researching spaying my rabbit. I asked every vet
what they used and if they didn't say isoflourine on a rabbit, I went to another vet because I knew they hadn't been
up to date on rabbit healthcare. I went through about 4 vets until I found the ABSOLUTE best vet which, DUH I just
remembered, she sees cats too! her practice is called Catnip Carrots and she specializes in rabbits/guinea pigs and
Cats. Cats primarily. Boy am I dumb. But see...talking these things out is what helps us to come up with answers!
Anyhow, thank you to EVERYONE for all your viewpoints. I appreciate them all because they are given out of caring.
Hugs to all of you!

-Rebecca Brooklyn

Re: ??? about Transfer Factor

2005-11-26 Thread Nina





Hi Patti,
I've been away from the computer and my inbox is loaded to the brim,
but I saw your post and thought I'd answer while I have a minute. I've
got the feline maintenance TF, but I haven't used it much because my
guys don't appreciate the flavor they added to it and won't eat their
food when I mix it in. The TF I have used is the Stress formula, (for
animals, they do like the taste of it). I use it when someone is
showing symptoms. I can't tell you if it's helped, or not. When my
babies are sick I tend to throw the kitchen sink at them, so I never
know what it was that actually worked. The Stress formula has lots of
good stuff in it like electrolytes and some sort of colostrum
derivative, so I always figure it can't hurt. Sally asked the very
question about the differences between the animal and human formulas to
a representative and didn't get back a satisfactory answer. I think
they just told her to use the animal formula and follow the directions
on the package.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I've been reading up on Transfer Factor, and I am a little
confused right now.
  I just read that many vets actually suggest using the "Human"
product on pets, but I see it is available specifically for dogs, acts
and horses also.
  For those of you that are using it for your feline fur-kids,
which formula are you using??
  Also, anyone use it for their K-9 Kids??
  Thanks in advance,
  Patti

Sneezing

2005-11-26 Thread Kathie and Donna




David is 3 and a half and never been sick a day in 
his life. Today he is sneezing. Still eating. He and his brother are isolated 
from the other cats and Gary seems fine. Is this an early sign of something I 
should panic about? Kathie

Re: list

Helene,Try going to the website and sign up there. isn't it www.felineleukemia.org?I'll send this to the list for help!tHelene Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Tonya,   How do I get back on   the list?? Thanks! I never did unsubscribe but can't remember if I   have to do something else once again. Help! Thanks!   Helene

the new 'sifting' liners

Title: Message
I have started using those 'sifting' liners, and I love them! Makes quick work of litter cleaning, BUT expensive. My cats are not declawed, of course, so they do often rip them. When they do that I just pull up the next layer until I get one they haven't scratched through.I've been buying them at Walmart for between 2 and 3 dollars for I think, 10. I use clumping litter. You just pull up the top sheet and the litter sifts through and the clumps stay in the liner and you throw it away.Like I said, it is a little expensive because they often get clawed through and when you change the litter you have to go through 2 or even sometimes 3 layers to get to one that hasn't been ripped. But overall, they're a real time saver.The bottom layer is solid, and when I get to that I throw the rest of the litter away and wash the box MUCH faster because the liner was in there.I've been
using them with the Dr. Cat attract litter. It works well in them.Some of the boxes do say they are recommended for declawed cats, but I really haven't had that much of a problem with them. When you have 4 to 5 boxes it does make life a little easier. :)t"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liners---bought/used 'em once only. The mini-monstersduly scraped holesalong the length and breadth of it, which of course I couldn't
see cos they were covered by the litter. So, gravity being what it is, all the litter simply spewed onto the carpet when I lifted up the liner.So, I've always wondered *who* actually buys liners? (Ahcould it be these deletive expletive people who declaw??)-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:29 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry
and Tiger Laughing my tail off here my boys have never had a covered box and I've never used liners - I have no idea how they would react to one but can just imagine! I mean, for that to be a truly viable option, it would have to have an exhaust fan"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bought *and* returned that one, Barb! No one wanted anything to do with it!You'd have thought I was trying to put Katyis in the bath
when I tried to show him how to use it. Screamed his little furry head off. Surprised the poli! ce didn't show up.Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:23 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tigerhey, I saw another box that might help you, it's a TOP entry covered box - also helps prevent doggies getting their tootsie roll treats...http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441807400FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132687374032Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, one of my sister's kitties was something like that - she was in the box, but her butt wasn'tI'm going to be adding a 2nd box like it to the household and I'm going to ! devise (or buy) a privacy screen as well, because Smoky is really really sensitive about using the facilities alone. He MUST be
alone - he gets really ticked off if he's! using the facilities and someone comes in and if someone else is there, he will go somewhere else, because he always waits until the last second because he had to have his butt wiped after every bm for years because of his bloody diarrhea."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb---that's the highest uncovered I've seen. I think I may have to hold out for one like thisbut covered tho--because the covered oneTiger uses now, while not long enough in my view, *is* high at the back -- it's prob also 11"--andgoing bywhat
meets my eyes twice-daily when I remove the lid, it's clear the lid is a vital component---vital for (semi-)civilized living at any rate.. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:36 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and TigerKerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11" high (23.4"long and 18.25" wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places.http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL

Re: Sneezing




I wouldn't panic. My Tigger was sneezing yesterday, but seems fine today. I 
figure he probably got sniffing too much and sniffed up something that irritated 
his nasal passages. Just watch him and if he starts to keep his inner eyelids 
over his eyes, starts to get gunky snot, or begins to get depressed take him 
into the vet.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt 
a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a 
FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a 
FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If 
you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them 
to!~Does 
your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your 
cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The 
test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test 
for Trich!
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Re: litterboxes-plastic couches

Lora,What does it cost to have the furniture professionally wrapped?  Don't the cats just scratch the plastic and tear it so that it won't  work.In the past I've covered my cushions with trash bags, taped them shut  with packing tape, and then covered them with slip covers. It's a  lot of work when someone then pees on the sofa to wash the slip cover,  change the plastic, etc...Currently I am buying the king sized vinyl mattress covers and putting  them over the back of the sofa and the cushions (leave out the arms  where they never pee).Then I put a sheet over it as a slip cover and just change the sheet  every day. If someone pees on the sofa I remove the vinyl pad and  wash it as wellIt's working pretty well right now. What we go through with these crittersFor litterboxes, my vet buys those huge rubbermaid boxes! They  take a dremel tool and cut a
 little opening on one side and it holds a  lot of litter, is large, and prevents so much litter being kicked out  due to the large size. Just one more idea.Last, I also use the large cement mixing tubs and set the regular sized  litterboxes inside of the larger tub. Prevents a lot of litter  'kick' out and 'butt out' accidents, but does require washing two  litterboxes each time instead of the one.This works well with the sifting liners for me. I tuck the edges  of the liners under the regular sized box, but inside the cement tub.Just some ideas!!tLora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Yep, I truly feel your pain.It is for this sole purpose that we have finallylearned, in our home, to have ALL of the fabricfurniture professionallysteamed upholstered and
 then have them wrapped inplastic.Once the plastic is professionally installed,slipcovers are fitted for each inidividual piece.Now when we have an inappropriate elimation/soiling"accident" or a territorial aggression spray "issue,"I simply take the slipcovers off and throw them in thewashing machine.Of course this obviously meant that I absoultely hadto purchase an industrial size washer and dryer.It is a godsend that we have a well-water hook-up(with a water-softener) to the house, otherwise wewould be spending a fortune on monthly bills for citywater/sewage.Even with purchasing a water-softener, septic tank,monthly bags of watersalt refills andbiannually/annually septic tank maintenance/drainnig,we are saving a bundle in the long-run! Everything isgoing up, including utilities and water!At least I have found an effecient method to nearlyeliminate ALL of the sofa cat-hair on a
 regular basis!:)Lora--- Nina  wrote:My husband calls cat poo appetizers "chewy goodness."Disgusting. Ah the joys of fur parenting. While we'reon thesubject of poo...  I just have to vent a little.After all the talk of psyching out litterboxavoidance, my cat Gypsy decided to put me in my place.I was so proud of myself for finding and havingdelivered a new sofa, love seat and overstuffed chair in time for the hoard of people thatwill be descending on our home for Thanksgiving. We just gotit yesterday, haven't even arranged it the way we wantyet.My husband stuck his face back in the bedroom thismorning with a look that told me something was verywrong. Gypsy had not only christened the new sofa withher distinctive soft poo, but someone had urinated onthe chair!Aaarrrggh! Mommy was not happy.  Little s**ts wantedto make sure the new stuff smelled
 more like the oldstuff I guess.Nina   __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: New Member

Felv can incubate for a while. If it were me I would do a retest. Ask for a plain old felv instead of the fiv/felv combo to save a few bucks.This does sound a lot though like a reaction. I think I would try another vet for a second opinion.thd cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tested my kitty and no FIV or FELV or anything like that, but I wastold you guys are the smartest people around whenit comes to cats and kittens with problems. Heres mine!Sasha is 3 months old, she was fine, but then never really looked right,straggly and just not a healthy kitty, thin hair but did play and run andwas alot of fun. Now she has URI, which is getting better and better, butsince getting it she has really gone down hill, She is always warm, when youtouch her
she feels warm, and now sometimes her 3rd eyelids cover her eyesfor a second or 2 and she acts like she is not there, and then comes back,and also her legs are giving out on her, they stiffen up and she cant move,and she is very twitchy, her whole body twitches/tremors, something iswrong, I did a blood panel and the vet said it was fine.a few weeks ago she was given a shot of pennicillian,. and had an allergicreaction to it, her head swelled up and when the vet noticed it gave hersomething to counter act it, i took her in originally cause she looked poor,sick and URI, could this shot have done it? Its almost like what ever iswrong its in the nervous system or in the brain. Anyone ever hear anythingsimilar to this. the vet thinks in one manner to put her down, but I WONT,she is eating and she has a nice stool, just everything else is wrong. Ilove her so much, I just dont know what to do for her, she loves to come outand we walk up
one side of the house and back, and thats it she stiffens upand goes down and cant walk anymore, i am in fear she may be in painijust dont know what to do for her, she loves me and she loves toeat,anyone please tell me something..SincerelyCarriewww.arlingtonkittensandcats.petfinder.comwww.alleycatangels.orgwww.adoptacat53.com- Original Message -From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:31 PMSubject: Re: Welcome Rebecca LOL, yeah ask Michelle how gross opening a cat of meat based cat food ortuna is for her! She's very descriptive about how much meat grosses her out. :-)~ I used to be vegetarian for a while, but got lazy, and hamburg helper isabout all we eat these days unless it come in a microwavable carton. They don't makeeasy quick vegetarian foods out of a box...
which is too bad, because that makes mecontinue to be a meat eater. If it involves more than one pot... I'm not cooking it. Anyways, we're all very tolerate of the vegans here, and try to understandtheir point of view. I think you'll feel very welcomed here! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html "Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will makea world of difference for that one animal."~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needscat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add upuntil she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address tosend them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005

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RE: Kerry and Tiger litter box

Try the large rubbermaid containers and leave the tops on. You can get them much larger than a traditional covered box. Cut a hole out of the side so they can go in and out.t"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went thatroute for about 6 months earlier this year. As you know it's not acovered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently)right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it awayand went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Which brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without*covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist?
I'velooked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Doesanyone know where they can be found?Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and ahalf times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only typereadily available is uncovered.Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated!-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:04 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and TigerHa! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my life do think I'm a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as they are.Something else that
I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes cats that are "picky" about their litter, will use a bigger box more reliably. I have a couple of jumbo boxes that I got at Home Depot. They're actuallythe pans that are used for mixing small amounts of cement. They're dirtcheap and they work great for nice big litterboxes. Also, some kitties don't like using a communal litterbox, it is after all a way of marking territory. Adding more boxes, in different locations sometimes helps. If our little man Cotton has accidents only when he's not feeling well, then I don't think it's behavioral. Poor little sprite!NinaDudes wrote: Nina, are you sure you are not a cat? It makes a lot of sense. This interests me too, because Cotton also has accidents, but mostly when he has been feeling bad. I have attributed much of it to his digestive woes. He's also the pickiest cat I have ever known about
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