o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



You guys have such a 
wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if there's anything to 
worry about when a cat has a habit of

a) pressing its forehead against your 
chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive disorder/kitty 
Prozaccat)

OR (different cat)

b) poking its tongue out and leaving 
it in that position for several minutes. (Pookie, my CRF 
foster)

(re: a)Anitra Frasier's book states 
that a cat that pressesits forehead against an object is in 
pain.)

Thanks for any feedback anyone may 
have.

Kerry



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RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[Chris]

Title: Message









I dont know about
that I have one who does this to get petted Somebody once told
mean that cats who were weaned too early do this and one who falls asleep
sometimes with part of her tongue hanging outgo figure





Chris

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Subject: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs





You
guys have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if
there's anything to worry about when a cat has a habit of











a)
pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive
disorder/kitty Prozaccat)











OR
(different cat)











b)
poking its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes.
(Pookie, my CRF foster)











(re:
a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead against
an object is in pain.)











Thanks
for any feedback anyone may have.











Kerry


























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RE: Kerry and Tiger litter box

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

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Thanks 
Tonya. (Guess no one's told Rubbermaid...yet.)
Kerry





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On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:40 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and 
Tiger litter box
Try the large rubbermaid containers and leave the tops 
on. You can get them much larger than a traditional covered box. Cut 
a hole out of the side so they can go in and 
out.t"MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FUnny 
  you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went thatroute for 
  about 6 months earlier this year. As you know it's not acovered box; what 
  happened was Tiger did his business (consistently)right at one end of the 
  box and frequently spilled over. I threw it awayand went back to the 
  biggest covered box I could find. Which brings me to a Q that's been 
  puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in 
  pet stores *without*covers. But the same length of litter box *with* 
  covers seems not to exist? I'velooked in Foster and Smith catalogues 
  too---nothing there either. Doesanyone know where they can be 
  found?Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and 
  ahalf times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only 
  typereadily available is uncovered.Any info on finding a loong 
  covered litter box appreciated!-Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:04 AMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and TigerHa! No, 
  I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any 
  animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my life do think I'm 
  a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. 
  I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as 
  they are.Something ! else that I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes 
  cats that are "picky" about their litter, will use a bigger box more 
  reliably. I have a couple of jumbo boxes that I got at Home Depot. They're 
  actuallythe pans that are used for mixing small amounts of cement. 
  They're dirtcheap and they work great for nice big litterboxes. Also, 
  some kitties don't like using a communal litterbox, it is after all a way 
  of marking territory. Adding more boxes, in different locations sometimes 
  helps. If our little man Cotton has accidents only when he's not feeling 
  well, then I don't think it's behavioral. Poor little 
  sprite!NinaDudes wrote: Nina, are you sure you are not 
  a cat? It makes a lot of sense. This  interests me too, because Cotton 
  also has accidents, but mostly when  he has been feeling bad. I have 
  attributed much of it to his  digestive woes. He's also the pickiest 
  cat I have ever known about  his litterbox. He wants it immaculate. Sandy
  
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RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[Chris]

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Pressing head against chest
The person who told me that is one who has one cat who does this the minute
your pick him upvet told her about too early weaning





Chris

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From:
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005
10:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: o/t2 x feline
behavior Qs





Somebody once
told mean that cats who were weaned too early do this











Thanks Chrisd'you
mean the pressing forehead behavior (that Tiger doesmy vet already said
Tiger's wool-suckingis a result of too early weaning)











(Or d'you mean the tongue
thing?)



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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005
9:31 AM
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Subject: RE: o/t2 x feline
behavior Qs

I
dont know about that I have one who does this to get petted
Somebody once told mean that cats who were weaned too early do this and one who
falls asleep sometimes with part of her tongue hanging outgo
figure





Chris

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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005
10:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs





You
guys have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if
there's anything to worry about when a cat has a habit of











a)
pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive
disorder/kitty Prozaccat)











OR
(different cat)











b)
poking its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes.
(Pookie, my CRF foster)











(re:
a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead
against an object is in pain.)











Thanks
for any feedback anyone may have.











Kerry





















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RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

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Y'lnow, before Tiger came into my life, I would never 
have believed how many problems too-early-weaning creates for a cat. It's so 
sad. And these are lifelong problems.
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On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:41 
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x 
feline behavior Qs

Pressing head against 
chest The person who told me that is one who has one cat who does this 
the minute your pick him upvet told her about too early 
weaning


Chris
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-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Sunday, November 27, 
2005 10:37 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


Somebody 
once told mean that cats who were weaned too early do this



Thanks 
Chrisd'you mean the pressing forehead behavior (that Tiger doesmy vet 
already said Tiger's wool-suckingis a result of too early 
weaning)



(Or d'you 
mean the tongue thing?)
-Original 
Message-From: 
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On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:31 
AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs
I dont know about 
that I have one who does this to get petted Somebody once told mean that 
cats who were weaned too early do this and one who falls asleep sometimes with 
part of her tongue hanging outgo figure


Chris
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-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Sunday, November 27, 
2005 10:25 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


You guys 
have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if there's 
anything to worry about when a cat has a habit of



a) 
pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive 
disorder/kitty Prozaccat)



OR 
(different cat)



b) poking 
its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes. (Pookie, my 
CRF foster)



(re: 
a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead against 
an object is in pain.)



Thanks 
for any feedback anyone may have.



Kerry






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Re: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[carrie chance]

Title: Message



hummm, not to interupt, but I Bottlefeed 
babies,
anyways mostbottle babies do this regardless, 
as it is a sign
of affection towards their MOM, who was a human, 
and not a mom
cat. So maybe if your baby was weened to early, you 
are getting the same result.
Therefore I would have to say it is his way of 
giving you affection
I have SEVERAL that actually give me hugs, and 
beleive me they are
hugs, and darn things wont let go either. The 
tounge thing, thats kind of funny
maybe his tougne is to long,,8-)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chris 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:41 
  AM
  Subject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  
  
  Pressing head against 
  chest… The person who told me that is one who has one cat who does this 
  the minute your pick him up—vet told her about too early 
  weaning…
  
  
  Chris
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  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
  N.Sent: Sunday, November 27, 
  2005 10:37 AMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  
  
  Somebody 
  once told mean that cats who were weaned too early do this
  
  
  
  Thanks 
  Chrisd'you mean the pressing forehead behavior (that Tiger doesmy vet 
  already said Tiger's wool-suckingis a result of too early 
  weaning)
  
  
  
  (Or 
  d'you mean the tongue thing?)
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:31 
  AMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  I don’t know about 
  that… I have one who does this to get petted Somebody once told mean 
  that cats who were weaned too early do this and one who falls asleep sometimes 
  with part of her tongue hanging out—go figure…
  
  
  Chris
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  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
  N.Sent: Sunday, November 27, 
  2005 10:25 AMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  
  
  You 
  guys have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if 
  there's anything to worry about when a cat has a habit 
  of
  
  
  
  a) 
  pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive 
  disorder/kitty Prozaccat)
  
  
  
  OR 
  (different cat)
  
  
  
  b) 
  poking its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes. 
  (Pookie, my CRF foster)
  
  
  
  (re: 
  a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead 
  against an object is in pain.)
  
  
  
  Thanks 
  for any feedback anyone may have.
  
  
  
  Kerry
  
  
  
  
  
  
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RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



Thanks--all feedback welcome!

I 
should maybe clarify here---Tiger came to me as an young adultstreet 
cat.I have no knowledge of his early history. It 
seemshighlyprobable he was abandoned too young, andsurvived on 
the street.

But 
interesting that you know all about the forehead-pressing.I much prefer 
(obviously) your conclusion to Anitra F's. 

Now I 
think of it, tho, I've also observed Pookie (my frail, 5-lbfoster) 
positioning himself in his catbed with his forehead pressed against the side of 
it. Because he's not a well cat, I assumed again that it was pain that was 
causing this forehead-pressing behavior. 

Neither of my 2 other FeLV negatives, who are also 
healthy in every other respect, have ever done this. Only the two with health 
problems--one physical, the other emotional--do the forehead 
thing.

Kerry



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On Behalf Of carrie chanceSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:48 
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t2 x 
feline behavior Qs
hummm, not to interupt, but I Bottlefeed 
babies,
anyways mostbottle babies do this regardless, 
as it is a sign
of affection towards their MOM, who was a human, 
and not a mom
cat. So maybe if your baby was weened to early, you 
are getting the same result.
Therefore I would have to say it is his way of 
giving you affection
I have SEVERAL that actually give me hugs, and 
beleive me they are
hugs, and darn things wont let go either. The 
tounge thing, thats kind of funny
maybe his tougne is to long,,8-)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chris 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:41 
  AM
  Subject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  
  
  Pressing head against 
  chest The person who told me that is one who has one cat who does this 
  the minute your pick him upvet told her about too early 
  weaning
  
  
  Chris
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
  N.Sent: Sunday, November 27, 
  2005 10:37 AMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  
  
  Somebody 
  once told mean that cats who were weaned too early do this
  
  
  
  Thanks 
  Chrisd'you mean the pressing forehead behavior (that Tiger doesmy vet 
  already said Tiger's wool-suckingis a result of too early 
  weaning)
  
  
  
  (Or 
  d'you mean the tongue thing?)
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:31 
  AMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  I dont know about 
  that I have one who does this to get petted Somebody once told mean 
  that cats who were weaned too early do this and one who falls asleep sometimes 
  with part of her tongue hanging outgo figure
  
  
  Chris
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
  N.Sent: Sunday, November 27, 
  2005 10:25 AMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  
  
  You 
  guys have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if 
  there's anything to worry about when a cat has a habit 
  of
  
  
  
  a) 
  pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive 
  disorder/kitty Prozaccat)
  
  
  
  OR 
  (different cat)
  
  
  
  b) 
  poking its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes. 
  (Pookie, my CRF foster)
  
  
  
  (re: 
  a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead 
  against an object is in pain.)
  
  
  
  Thanks 
  for any feedback anyone may have.
  
  
  
  Kerry
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[carrie chance]

Title: Message



right, its a comfort thing, they don't feel well 
and the pressing 
gives them comfort, making them feel better, like 
their mom
would do when they were little, nudging on them.. 
moms give 
comfort, 

carrie

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  From: 
  MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:19 
  AM
  Subject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  
  Thanks--all feedback welcome!
  
  I 
  should maybe clarify here---Tiger came to me as an young adultstreet 
  cat.I have no knowledge of his early history. It 
  seemshighlyprobable he was abandoned too young, andsurvived 
  on the street.
  
  But 
  interesting that you know all about the forehead-pressing.I much prefer 
  (obviously) your conclusion to Anitra F's. 
  
  Now 
  I think of it, tho, I've also observed Pookie (my frail, 5-lbfoster) 
  positioning himself in his catbed with his forehead pressed against the side 
  of it. Because he's not a well cat, I assumed again that it was pain that was 
  causing this forehead-pressing behavior. 
  
  Neither of my 2 other FeLV negatives, who are also 
  healthy in every other respect, have ever done this. Only the two with health 
  problems--one physical, the other emotional--do the forehead 
  thing.
  
  Kerry
  
  
  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of carrie 
  chanceSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:48 AMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  hummm, not to interupt, but I Bottlefeed 
  babies,
  anyways mostbottle babies do this 
  regardless, as it is a sign
  of affection towards their MOM, who was a human, 
  and not a mom
  cat. So maybe if your baby was weened to early, 
  you are getting the same result.
  Therefore I would have to say it is his way of 
  giving you affection
  I have SEVERAL that actually give me hugs, and 
  beleive me they are
  hugs, and darn things wont let go either. The 
  tounge thing, thats kind of funny
  maybe his tougne is to long,,8-)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Chris 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:41 
AM
Subject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


Pressing head 
against chest… The person who told me that is one who has one cat who 
does this the minute your pick him up—vet told her about too early 
weaning…


Chris
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-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Sunday, November 
27, 2005 10:37 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


Somebody 
once told mean that cats who were weaned too early do this



Thanks 
Chrisd'you mean the pressing forehead behavior (that Tiger doesmy 
vet already said Tiger's wool-suckingis a result of too early 
weaning)



(Or 
d'you mean the tongue thing?)
-Original 
Message-From: 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:31 
AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs
I don’t know about 
that… I have one who does this to get petted Somebody once told mean 
that cats who were weaned too early do this and one who falls asleep 
sometimes with part of her tongue hanging out—go figure…


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Sunday, November 
27, 2005 10:25 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


You 
guys have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if 
there's anything to worry about when a cat has a habit 
of



a) 
pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive 
compulsive disorder/kitty Prozaccat)



OR 
(different cat)



b) 
poking its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes. 
(Pookie, my CRF foster)



(re: 
a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead 
against an object is in pain.)



Thanks for any 
feedback anyone may have.



Kerry






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RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



It's 
sad. I don't know Pookie well enough yet to know if it's chronic behavior with 
him. It certainly is with Tiger. He can never feel totally ok  at peace. In 
her book, Frazier said something to the effect that early weaning produces 
lifelong problems -- a life sentence that there's no fix for.
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of carrie chanceSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 
10:27 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t2 x 
feline behavior Qs
right, its a comfort thing, they don't feel well 
and the pressing 
gives them comfort, making them feel better, like 
their mom
would do when they were little, nudging on them.. 
moms give 
comfort, 

carrie

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:19 
  AM
  Subject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  
  Thanks--all feedback welcome!
  
  I 
  should maybe clarify here---Tiger came to me as an young adultstreet 
  cat.I have no knowledge of his early history. It 
  seemshighlyprobable he was abandoned too young, andsurvived 
  on the street.
  
  But 
  interesting that you know all about the forehead-pressing.I much prefer 
  (obviously) your conclusion to Anitra F's. 
  
  Now 
  I think of it, tho, I've also observed Pookie (my frail, 5-lbfoster) 
  positioning himself in his catbed with his forehead pressed against the side 
  of it. Because he's not a well cat, I assumed again that it was pain that was 
  causing this forehead-pressing behavior. 
  
  Neither of my 2 other FeLV negatives, who are also 
  healthy in every other respect, have ever done this. Only the two with health 
  problems--one physical, the other emotional--do the forehead 
  thing.
  
  Kerry
  
  
  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of carrie 
  chanceSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:48 AMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  hummm, not to interupt, but I Bottlefeed 
  babies,
  anyways mostbottle babies do this 
  regardless, as it is a sign
  of affection towards their MOM, who was a human, 
  and not a mom
  cat. So maybe if your baby was weened to early, 
  you are getting the same result.
  Therefore I would have to say it is his way of 
  giving you affection
  I have SEVERAL that actually give me hugs, and 
  beleive me they are
  hugs, and darn things wont let go either. The 
  tounge thing, thats kind of funny
  maybe his tougne is to long,,8-)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Chris 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:41 
AM
Subject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


Pressing head 
against chest The person who told me that is one who has one cat who 
does this the minute your pick him upvet told her about too early 
weaning


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Sunday, November 
27, 2005 10:37 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


Somebody 
once told mean that cats who were weaned too early do this



Thanks 
Chrisd'you mean the pressing forehead behavior (that Tiger doesmy 
vet already said Tiger's wool-suckingis a result of too early 
weaning)



(Or 
d'you mean the tongue thing?)
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:31 
AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs
I dont know about 
that I have one who does this to get petted Somebody once told mean 
that cats who were weaned too early do this and one who falls asleep 
sometimes with part of her tongue hanging outgo figure


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Sunday, November 
27, 2005 10:25 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


You 
guys have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if 
there's anything to worry about when a cat has a habit 
of



a) 
pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive 
compulsive disorder/kitty Prozaccat)



OR 
(different cat)



b) 
poking its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes. 
(Pookie, my CRF foster)



(re: 
a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead 
against an object is in pain.)

Re: Conflict on being vegan

[catatonya]

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Pills

[veggiepugs]

Patti-
Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wrote 
back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in 
liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when he shakes his 
head and im getting bitten and 
scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that I gave 
him when he first got here so I know I 
can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday!
-Rebecca

vegetarianism

[catatonya]

There's also a Native American poem called "Birdfoot's Grandpa" about getting frogs off of the road during a rainstorm or something. It was in our reading book at school. It's hard to slip too much in as a teacher, but I use every opportunity I can get. lol.I love when parents come into my classroom the first day of school and see my PETA calendar hanging by my desk. lol.tveggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Funny you should say that...that's the story I got the concept from. It's called "One Makes A Difference." So cool that you know that. ;) I read it in Chicken Soup for the Soul -RebeccaWendy's remarks brought to mind an old story I heard in church once: An old man was walking along the beach after a storm. The beach was FULL of thousands of
 star fish. Eventually he came upon two small children running up and down the beach, picking up starfish and flinging them back into the ocean. The man said to the two children, "What are you doing? You can't possibly save them all, what difference do all your efforts make?" One of the children replied..."Wellit makes all the difference in the world to the ones we save."  

Re: Pills

[Nina]

I forgot to mention, but I'm betting someone else already has, using a 
piller.  Sooo much easier.

Nina

veggiepugs wrote:


Patti-
Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wrote back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in 
liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when he shakes his head and im getting bitten and 
scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that I gave him when he first got here so I know I 
can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday!

-Rebecca



 

Re: evil vegans...?

[catatonya]

I have foundlots of people (the closer they are, such as friends and family!) to benegative toward vegetarians and vegans alike. I truly feel that in some cases it's ignorance on their part about how food animals are treated, sometimes they are not 'spiritually' (for lack of a better word) 'connected' to animals, etcBut mostly I think it's because people ARE becoming more and more aware of the cruel treatment of the animals, the harm animal farming causes the environment, etc and it's pure and simple guilt.I have an aunt I had dinner with a few weeks ago whose father actually raises cattle. Some of the cows are kept as 'pets' to live out their lives (if they get attached to them). She cried when she told me how one time she went to the slaughterhouse with her father and how horrible it was.. but there she sat eating
 beef! She said she 'puts it out of her mind' and 'forces herself not to think about it'. She won't even discuss it with her daughter (who is now 12!!!) because she doesn't want her to make that connection.I have a friend whose father also raised cattle and to this day she will not eat beef because it was so horrible for her to see her 'pets' sent to slaughter. BUT she eats pork, chicken, etc She says she doesn't feel the 'guilt' because she didn't 'see' that herself. Again, she works at not facing it because it 'tastes good.'My sister is the same way. She was vegetarian and vegan for a time, but married a very, very carniverous man, and uses that as an excuse to eat it again and tries not to think about it.I just think it's like everything else. People don't want to know. They don't want to think about it, and eating with a vegetarian or
 vegan brings up something they don't want to deal with. Their guilt. There is truly NO reason for humans to eat meat these days. Cats/dogs/other animals can be excused (even though I don't like to feed them meat, they eat it at times cats all the time, especially because of my leukemia baby) But animals are not in charge of this world. We are.And not to sound holier than thow because I am not a strict vegan because I am too selfish myself as well. I feel guilty when I eat something that's not vegan, or eat a piece of shrimp or whatever. (Lots of people make shrimp when I come to visit because they think that's acceptable. And I eat it, knowing I shouldn't.) I occasionally buy butter. I buy mayo, and occasionally free range eggs. So I'm certainly no role model in this department by any means, but I feel ANYTHING we can do helps. Even if we're not
 perfect. I think people like to throw things at you like "well you eat eggs" to cover their guilt and try to make me feel guilty. At least it works on me. I do feel guilty, and have moved more and more toward a vegan diet through the years.And last, I do try to 'convert' people by telling them that EVERY LITTLE BIT DOES HELP! If they would just cut out beef they can save cows. If they just cut out pork, etc It would be nice if the world converted to veganism, but every little bit helps, and I try to approach it that way to people. Do what you can.tonyaJust my 2 cents.veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Wendy-In response to your question...I have received opposition to my being vegan quite a
 few times. More often than not, people ask my why I'm vegan and grill me as to all the if's  and's like "well what about plants, don't plants feel pain?"...check out www.askcarla.com for all the questions that people ask. She covers them all. People try and stump me, try and make me feel as though my choice is a ridiculous one. But, it's just that...it's my choice and I NEVER push it on anyone. My philosophy being a vegan is this: I choose this path because it is what suits ME and fits MY beliefs. If I expect tolerance from others, I have to have tolerance for their decisions as well. Sure I wish more of the world felt the same way about all animals to the extent that it might change their actions towards them, but for me to protest and force people and shove things in their face, be violent or obnoxious completely contradicts the very core of veganism...Compassion. If one feels compassion for living beings, that must include humans. We all live on the same planet. OK
 I'm getting a bit preachy here but, the point is, I have learned not to get angry. I just realize that very often, people like these are threatened by my choice, because somewhere deep down they feel remorse about their decisions. Those who are comfortable and secure in their choices react otherwise. They say to me "I admire that, but I could never do that". You should see some of these groups that are formed that are anti-vegan, anti-animal activists, they should just call themselves "anti-compassion" because really, that's how they behave. They're so angry and so hell-bent on getting the last word they forget to stop and take a look at what kind of person they are. Or, they don't care. Some 

Re: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[Nina]

Hi Kerry,
As some of the others have already pointed out, it sounds like Tiger's
behavior is a variation on the head-butt, a sign of affection and a way
to feel comforted. The tongue sticking out of the mouth thing, I've
seen this before too, not usually on a regular basis though, I've never
worried about it. It's kind of cute, like I'm just to lazy, or relaxed
to tuck my tongue back into my mouth. Sometimes I mess with them and
touch their tongue and bing it gets pulled back in their mouths. If
these things aren't occurring with any other symptoms of illness, I'd
guess they are nothing to worry about. Did I send you the link to the
flower essence page? There are so many, non toxic, perfectly safe fe
that are suppose to help with anxiety, stress, you name it. Rescue
Remedy is the most well known, but there's also one called Emergency
Essence that helps with emotional upsets.
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  Message
  
  
  You
guys have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know
if there's anything to worry about when a cat has a habit of
  
  a) pressing its forehead
against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive disorder/kitty
Prozaccat)
  
  OR (different cat)
  
  b) poking its tongue out
and leaving it in that position for several minutes. (Pookie, my CRF
foster)
  
  (re: a)Anitra Frasier's
book states that a cat that pressesits forehead against an object is
in pain.)
  
  Thanks for any feedback
anyone may have.
  
  Kerry
  
  
  
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Re: New Member

[carrie chance]

fip has fluid build up, but its pretty deadly and 
kille pretty fast, so doubt its that

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Allie 
  Deaver 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:30 
  AM
  Subject: Re: New Member
  Carrie-She has fluid buildup in her chest, which was 
  greatly helped with a diuretic and tested positive for FeLV. Other than that, 
  she's a completely normal little kitten. Any ideas from you? So far, I've 
  heard that it might be cardiomyopathy. Do you think it could also be something 
  else?Allie
  On 11/25/05, hd cc 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
Allie, 

what is wrong with your kitten?

Sincerely Carrie

www.arlingtonkittensandcats.petfinder.comwww.alleycatangels.orgwww.adoptacat53.com

  - Original 
  Message - 
  From: 
  Allie Deaver 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: 
  Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:13 PM
  Subject: Re: 
  New Member
  

Carrie

[Nina]

Hi Carrie,
I haven't been keeping up with the list, so I'm not sure you're the new 
member with the kitty displaying paralysis symptoms.  I've caught little 
bits of your story, and saw that Michelle Lomax did respond about her 
personal horror story with Revolution.  Do you think that's what caused 
your kitty's troubles?  How is your kitty now?

Nina

Re: evil vegans...?

[Nina]

Tonya,
Your comment about family reminded me of my sister-in-law's 
interpretation of why I refused ham at her table...  I was newly dating 
my now husband, Bruce at the time.  I found out years later that my 
sister in law was telling people I was Jewish, because I didn't want her 
pork!  She just couldn't understand any other reason for not wanting to 
eat pigs, so funny.

Nina

Re: Carrie

[carrie chance]

Hi Nina,

   No We have determined it to be toxoplasmosis, ugh, she is doing alot 
better
only time will tell if she will fully recover, I am just thankful to see her 
playing again,

and able to actually walk without falling over. So still crossing my fingers
and doing lots of research on toxo

thanks

carrie
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From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: Carrie



Hi Carrie,
I haven't been keeping up with the list, so I'm not sure you're the new 
member with the kitty displaying paralysis symptoms.  I've caught little 
bits of your story, and saw that Michelle Lomax did respond about her 
personal horror story with Revolution.  Do you think that's what caused 
your kitty's troubles?  How is your kitty now?

Nina

Re: Pills

[Dudes]

One other tip that might work today, Rebecca.  You might try crushing the
pill into powder, and then put it in a little bit of water or tuna water,
and by little bit, I mean like a cc.  A medicine cup usually works best for
mixing such a small amount.  Then draw it all up in a syringe and have it
ready.  While holding Brooklyn in a towel, open the side of his mouth where
his back teeth don't quite meet.
Put the syringe in that little spot, and tilt his head back and squirt.  He
will struggle, but hold firmly.  Even if he gags a little, you will get some
down.  If he bites down, he can only bite the syringe.  That way you don't
have to get liquid and have pills you will never ever use again, and have
wasted money.  I bet the liquid won't taste any better than the pill,
anyway.  You can get a syringe from the pharmacy.
I watched my vet give a pill to my cat once, with a wand thing with a slot
at the end to hold the pill.  It was over in a half a second!  I don't even
think the cat realized it had taken a pill!  Anybody use those before?
Let us know what happens.  He will be mad, but not for long.
Sandy
- Original Message -
From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Pills


 Patti-
 Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wrote
back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in
 liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when he
shakes his head and im getting bitten and
 scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that I
gave him when he first got here so I know I
 can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday!
 -Rebecca

Re: Pills

[Nina]

 a wand thing with a slot at the end to hold the pill 

That's the "pill popper", (they're also called "pill guns"), I was
talking about, I wouldn't want to pill without one. You place it
toward the back of the throat, hit the plunger and down it goes. You
don't have to hit the plunger hard, they really do send the pill flying
and you don't need that much force. Like I said, sooo much easier! I
usually coat the gel cap, or pill in olive, or coconut oil to make it
easier to swallow, I've used a tiny bit of chicken fat as well.

I got mine online from Revival. I use the one with the rubber tip.
http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=99-711ss=99-712

Nina

Dudes wrote:

  One other tip that might work today, Rebecca.  You might try crushing the
pill into powder, and then put it in a little bit of water or tuna water,
and by little bit, I mean like a cc.  A medicine cup usually works best for
mixing such a small amount.  Then draw it all up in a syringe and have it
ready.  While holding Brooklyn in a towel, open the side of his mouth where
his back teeth don't quite meet.
Put the syringe in that little spot, and tilt his head back and squirt.  He
will struggle, but hold firmly.  Even if he gags a little, you will get some
down.  If he bites down, he can only bite the syringe.  That way you don't
have to get liquid and have pills you will never ever use again, and have
wasted money.  I bet the liquid won't taste any better than the pill,
anyway.  You can get a syringe from the pharmacy.
I watched my vet give a pill to my cat once, with a wand thing with a slot
at the end to hold the pill.  It was over in a half a second!  I don't even
think the cat realized it had taken a pill!  Anybody use those before?
Let us know what happens.  He will be mad, but not for long.
Sandy
- Original Message -
From: "veggiepugs" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Pills


  
  
Patti-
Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I wrote

  
  back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in
  
  
liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when he

  
  shakes his head and im getting bitten and
  
  
scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that I

  
  gave him when he first got here so I know I
  
  
can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday!
-Rebecca


  
  



  

Re: Carrie

[Nina]

I'm very pleased to hear that your baby is playing again, and doing 
better.  I don't know much about toxo, but I seem to remember treatment 
options for it.  At least you know what the heck you're dealing with.  
Prayers for your baby's full recovery,

Nina

carrie chance wrote:


Hi Nina,

   No We have determined it to be toxoplasmosis, ugh, she is doing 
alot better
only time will tell if she will fully recover, I am just thankful to 
see her playing again,
and able to actually walk without falling over. So still crossing my 
fingers

and doing lots of research on toxo

thanks

carrie

Re: Carrie

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

Carrie,
you asked about my symptoms Well I had toxo many years ago. It was 
first misdiagnosed as mono...I was in bed for three monthsI just remember 
being real tired and weak. couldn't eat. real swollen glands...that's all I 
really remember. They did not have a good treatment for it back in the day. He 
told me to let it run it corse

Re: Pills

[BONNIE J KALMBACH]

Rebecca and all,
  My apologies if this has already been mentioned - my email is running
so slow that I haven't read all of the replies - but have you tried a
pill popper? 
  My son taught me a trick - after inserting the pill, put your finger
gently into the side of the kitty's mouth. That seems to stimulate a
swallowing response. If the kitty's pink tongue then comes out, you can
be pretty sure he or she has swallowed the pill.

Bonnie

 www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:54 am
Subject: Pills
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Patti-
 Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look before I 
 wrote back...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in 
 liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when 
 he shakes his head and im getting bitten and 
 scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox 
 that I gave him when he first got here so I know I 
 can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday!
 -Rebecca
 
 

Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD

[Nina]

Hi Patti,
I just found this email, sorry it's taken so long for me to respond. 
As far as you and that sign on your back... Yep, it's there, most
humans aren't aware of it, but our furry friends sure do know a kind
and open heart when they come across one. I'm convinced there's some
sort of pipeline, they tell their friends where to go! Go ahead and
complain/whine, we all understand. Bless you for all you do.

About Taylor and Moonshadow's stools... One thing I've found that
helps with diarrhea is making sure you're feeding a consistent diet. I
had switched Gypsy to raw and it saved her life. She had a relapse
after getting into Grace's food and then refused raw. After I finally
got her eating again, I put her on cooked turkey and it did help her.
IBD symptoms are so frustrating, I have tried so many things. You
already know about homeopathics, I've seen you post about Bioplasma,
that's always a good support rx. Hideyo has had success with Sulphur,
Gypsy responded to Phosphorus, you've tried Ars album, how about China,
(Cinchona officinalis)? I'd start with 6c doses and use a dosing
method of one pellet dissolved in 2 to 4 oz amber bottles, 1/2 dropper
at a time every hour up to 4 doses, (then evaluate to see if their
"mentals"/symptoms seem improved). There are so many variables, why
don't you contact my friend Darla, (homeopathic practitioner), http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm
she'll be able to advise you a whole lot better than me. I would avoid
the pred/met route if at all possible. Sometimes these measures are
necessary, but they aren't supportive of the body's "vital force". I'd
also stay away from the prescription diets, we all know what junk they
usually are. Whatever you do, I'd keep up the probiotics, they can
only help. Did you know that you can add the homeopathics to goat's
milk, or yogurt? This is the only way I can get my once feral Gypsy
dosed. I was really concerned about feeding her dairy, but she seems
to have adjusted to it, and I'm pleased she's getting another source of
calcium. There was a point that warmed goat's milk was all she'd eat.
My AC said she liked the way it felt "going in and down". Those poor
little sprites of yours are in my thoughts and prayers, they sure have
been through a lot. Thank goodness they found their way to you!
Much love to you my dear, hang in there!
Nina



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Nina,
  Speaking about dry food, IBD etc...
  I just got back from vets and I am VERY frustrated.
  Taylor and Moonshade are my 2 "fosters" that came from the kill
shelter in August and were the only 2 surviving distemper kittens. They
were rescued in August, so it's been some time now and I am anxious to
get them adopted. (I did get Thomas (Charity's grey kitten) adopted
last week.Yeah) However, I still have Timothy, Charity's black
kitten, Moonshade  Taylor, PLUS a neighborhood stray wandered to
the safety of my barn after being HBC. Needless to say, I took her to
vets, thinking that she'd have to be euthanized, as her entire back end
was twisted and shattered. X-rays revealed a broken pelvis and her
right leg was shattered beyond repair, but.she was so sweet and
a real trooper, NEVER crying out in pain or anythingand she was
negative for both Felv  FIV. So, after a discussion w/ vet, I
opted for amputation of the leg. I just couldn't bear the thought of
putting her down after she fought so hard to survive! She's doing quite
well,(can even use litter box~a BIG concern I had),in fact, it was she
who had her post-sx.check up today. And now, it seems her "sister" has
shown up at my house too! See where I am going with this??? She is
also sweet, but now there's another kitty that I'll have to spay, test
and do full vetting on. AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WILL NEED A HOME!!
  I'm up to my eyeballs in cats here!! Really, I'm not
complaining, just whining. LOL!
  I've moved to a much smaller home and with my 4 dogs and 5 cats,
it's really quite "cozy". I also am on a fixed income now and no longer
working. It would just be impossible for me to keep all these sweet
cats, much as I'd like to. I must have a sign on my back reading, "ALL
STRAYS WELCOME HERE." But what is a person supposed to do when there's
an animal in need?? I've even tried locating the owner(s) of the
orange girl and the new tiger...
  Of course nobody is going to admit they threw their cat out like
trash.. G, it makes me so angry!!
  I'm wandering WAY OT here.. Sorry,
I tend to do that.
  Getting back on topic. Taylor  Moonshade have serious
issues with stools. They have been de-wormed, using Nemex and Strongid.
Also droncit, since they were infested with fleas when rescued. When
their first stool sample was brought to vets, I did suspect coccidia or
giardia, but was told it was negative. Needless to say, when the
problem was unresolved, after treatment w/ metronidizole, I insisted
vet do the fecal...and, yes, they DID have coccidia. So, they were
treated with 

RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



Thanks 
Nina--yes, you did send me the essence info. The flower pix are 
gorgeousrelaxing in themselves!
I need 
to figure out the best one for Tiger. I guess I could start with Rescue Remedy 
since I already have that.
Pookie 
looks to me as if he's having a majorpout when he sticks his tongue out! 
The first time he did it was right after the shelter tech brought him to me. 
Could be stress, I guess.
Kerry

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:55 
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t2 x 
feline behavior QsHi Kerry,As some of the others have 
already pointed out, it sounds like Tiger's behavior is a variation on the 
head-butt, a sign of affection and a way to feel comforted. The tongue 
sticking out of the mouth thing, I've seen this before too, not usually on a 
regular basis though, I've never worried about it. It's kind of cute, like 
I'm just to lazy, or relaxed to tuck my tongue back into my mouth. 
Sometimes I mess with them and touch their tongue and bing it gets pulled back 
in their mouths. If these things aren't occurring with any other symptoms 
of illness, I'd guess they are nothing to worry about. Did I send you the 
link to the flower essence page? There are so many, non toxic, perfectly 
safe fe that are suppose to help with anxiety, stress, you name it. Rescue 
Remedy is the most well known, but there's also one called Emergency Essence 
that helps with emotional upsets.NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  
  You guys have such 
  a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if there's anything to 
  worry about when a cat has a habit of
  
  a) pressing its forehead 
  against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive disorder/kitty 
  Prozaccat)
  
  OR (different 
  cat)
  
  b) poking its tongue out and 
  leaving it in that position for several minutes. (Pookie, my CRF 
  foster)
  
  (re: a)Anitra Frasier's book 
  states that a cat that pressesits forehead against an object is in 
  pain.)
  
  Thanks for any feedback 
  anyone may have.
  
  Kerry
  
  
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Re: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[Nina]

You can add the RR to the communal water dish. I'm pretty sure there's
a place on that site that allows you to enter symptoms of distress and
then lists recommendations, I could be thinking of another site
though! For Tiger, there's also a flower essence, that was recommended
for Gypsy, (St John's Wart), that may help, here's the page on the site
that describes it: 
http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/QuinetessentialsFE/QuintessentialsPages/SaintJohnsWort.htm
There's just so darn many! It's nice that there's no ill effects from
their use. Gotta like the fact that "it can't hurt", and it just might
help! These can be administered in a transdermal fashion, (rub a drop
on the tip of the inner ear where there's no fur, add it to a dosing
bottle of distilled water, (direct dose with diluted fe, 4oz amber
bottle - 10 drops from stock bottle of fe, 2oz/5 drops, 1oz/2-3
drops). These diluted directions come from Darla, the St John's wart
was recommended by my AC.
Nina


MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  Message
  
  
  Thanks Nina--yes, you did send me the
essence info. The flower pix are gorgeousrelaxing in themselves!
  I need to figure out the best one for
Tiger. I guess I could start with Rescue Remedy since I already have
that.
  Pookie looks to me as if he's having a
majorpout when he sticks his tongue out! The first time he did it was
right after the shelter tech brought him to me. Could be stress, I
guess.
  Kerry

Re: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[Nina]

Oops, I think the St. Johns wart was actually recommended for Grace
when she was "in and out" of her body. I bet there's one that would be
more specific for Tiger.
N

Nina wrote:

  
  
You can add the RR to the communal water dish. I'm pretty sure there's
a place on that site that allows you to enter symptoms of distress and
then lists recommendations, I could be thinking of another site
though! For Tiger, there's also a flower essence, that was recommended
for Gypsy, (St John's Wart), that may help, here's the page on the site
that describes it: 
  http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/QuinetessentialsFE/QuintessentialsPages/SaintJohnsWort.htm
There's just so darn many! It's nice that there's no ill effects from
their use. Gotta like the fact that "it can't hurt", and it just might
help! These can be administered in a transdermal fashion, (rub a drop
on the tip of the inner ear where there's no fur, add it to a dosing
bottle of distilled water, (direct dose with diluted fe, 4oz amber
bottle - 10 drops from stock bottle of fe, 2oz/5 drops, 1oz/2-3
drops). These diluted directions come from Darla, the St John's wart
was recommended by my AC.
Nina
  
  
MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
  
Message


Thanks Nina--yes, you did send me the
essence info. The flower pix are gorgeousrelaxing in themselves!
I need to figure out the best one for
Tiger. I guess I could start with Rescue Remedy since I already have
that.
Pookie looks to me as if he's having a
majorpout when he sticks his tongue out! The first time he did it was
right after the shelter tech brought him to me. Could be stress, I
guess.
Kerry
  

Re: Lost my sweet baby to felv

[catatonya]

Sherry,I'm so sorry for your loss. :( It sounds like you tried everything feasible to try. That's all we can do.Take care,  tonyaSherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi all I was reading some of your posts and you have really helped me to realize that I don't need to feel guilty for my decision to let my beautiful Maizee Grace to to the bridge.I found out back in may that my baby had felv and a lymphoma that was crushing her airway and she was regurgitating her food so she could swallow it easier.Anyways we started her on chemo and within 3 days she was eating and breathing like nothing was wrong.she was a trooper through all her treatments,well they did have to put a muzzle on my sweet girl,she totally hated to go there,but
 it helped her for 6 months up until last tuesday when after monday she started gagging and coughing up white foamy stuff,she quit eating and was totally not her sweet playful self.The vet said she thought she was coming out of remission.I decided not to put her through anymore stress,with all the testing and stronger chemo was not a good choice.So I had to not be selfish and let her go,it was one of the hardest thing I ever had to do in my life.She was only 15 months old.She was born with it,I took her in not knowing.I had her since she was not even 6 weeks old,she stole my heart instaltly.We had 13 1/2 wonderful months together and I am trying to remember the good things we had and not feel guilty about my desicion.Thank you all for being here.  Sherry  Yahoo! PersonalsSingle? There's someone we'd like you to meet.Lot's of someone's, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals  

RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



Like 
the idea of adding it to the water, esp with the positives, since I can't handle 
them.
I can 
see I need to do some background reading on this to get up to speed. Yes, 
agree,the fact it can't hurt is so reassuring!
Kerry

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:34 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t2 x 
feline behavior QsYou can add the RR to the communal water 
dish. I'm pretty sure there's a place on that site that allows you to 
enter symptoms of distress and then lists recommendations, I could be thinking 
of another site though! For Tiger, there's also a flower essence, that was 
recommended for Gypsy, (St John's Wart), that may help, here's the page on the 
site that describes it: http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/QuinetessentialsFE/QuintessentialsPages/SaintJohnsWort.htmThere's 
just so darn many! It's nice that there's no ill effects from their 
use. Gotta like the fact that "it can't hurt", and it just might 
help! These can be administered in a transdermal fashion, (rub a drop on 
the tip of the inner ear where there's no fur, add it to a dosing bottle of 
distilled water, (direct dose with diluted fe, 4oz amber bottle - 10 drops from 
stock bottle of fe, 2oz/5 drops, 1oz/2-3 drops). These diluted directions 
come from Darla, the St John's wart was recommended by my 
AC.NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  
  Thanks Nina--yes, you did send me the essence info. 
  The flower pix are gorgeousrelaxing in themselves!
  I 
  need to figure out the best one for Tiger. I guess I could start with Rescue 
  Remedy since I already have that.
  Pookie looks to me as if he's having a 
  majorpout when he sticks his tongue out! The first time he did it was 
  right after the shelter tech brought him to me. Could be stress, I 
  guess.
  Kerry
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Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD

[Nina]

Also - have you tried adding a pinch of bone meal to their food? It's
a band-aid sort of remedy, but it could help firm up their stools and
give them the bonus of slowing the elimination process, thereby helping
them to retain nutrients long enough to do them some good. 
N

Nina wrote:

  
  
Hi Patti,
I just found this email, sorry it's taken so long for me to respond. 
As far as you and that sign on your back... Yep, it's there, most
humans aren't aware of it, but our furry friends sure do know a kind
and open heart when they come across one. I'm convinced there's some
sort of pipeline, they tell their friends where to go! Go ahead and
complain/whine, we all understand. Bless you for all you do.
  
About Taylor and Moonshadow's stools... One thing I've found that
helps with diarrhea is making sure you're feeding a consistent diet. I
had switched Gypsy to raw and it saved her life. She had a relapse
after getting into Grace's food and then refused raw. After I finally
got her eating again, I put her on cooked turkey and it did help her.
IBD symptoms are so frustrating, I have tried so many things. You
already know about homeopathics, I've seen you post about Bioplasma,
that's always a good support rx. Hideyo has had success with Sulphur,
Gypsy responded to Phosphorus, you've tried Ars album, how about China,
(Cinchona officinalis)? I'd start with 6c doses and use a dosing
method of one pellet dissolved in 2 to 4 oz amber bottles, 1/2 dropper
at a time every hour up to 4 doses, (then evaluate to see if their
"mentals"/symptoms seem improved). There are so many variables, why
don't you contact my friend Darla, (homeopathic practitioner), http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm
she'll be able to advise you a whole lot better than me. I would avoid
the pred/met route if at all possible. Sometimes these measures are
necessary, but they aren't supportive of the body's "vital force". I'd
also stay away from the prescription diets, we all know what junk they
usually are. Whatever you do, I'd keep up the probiotics, they can
only help. Did you know that you can add the homeopathics to goat's
milk, or yogurt? This is the only way I can get my once feral Gypsy
dosed. I was really concerned about feeding her dairy, but she seems
to have adjusted to it, and I'm pleased she's getting another source of
calcium. There was a point that warmed goat's milk was all she'd eat.
My AC said she liked the way it felt "going in and down". Those poor
little sprites of yours are in my thoughts and prayers, they sure have
been through a lot. Thank goodness they found their way to you!
Much love to you my dear, hang in there!
Nina

Declawing

[Nina]

Actually, they have made it illegal in West Hollywood, CA! Hooray!
Here are some other measures people have taken to educate/ban the
practice in CA. Slowly, slowly, slowly things are changing. Declawing
for non-medical or cosmetic reasons (not for the benefit of the cat) is
illegal or considered inhumane in many countries in Europe, as well as
New Zealand, Australia, and Brazil. I got this from http://cats.about.com/cs/declawing/i/declawlaws.htm
N


  September 23, 2003: The Board of Supervisors of the City
and
County of San Francisco, CA passed a resolution "strongly urging" cat
owners and veterinarians to discontinue the practice of declawing
native and exotic cat species. This was somewhat short of the original
move to ban declawing, spearheaded by Commissioner Susan Wheeler.
  
  May 27, 2003: May 27The City Council of Malibu, CA
votes to approve a resolution condemning the practice of declawing. The
Council also voted for local veterinarians to require pet owners
requesting declawing to view an informational video and sign a consent
prior to the procedure. The measure was the result of efforts by
Councilmember Joan House and The Paw Project.
  
  April 29, 2003: California AB395, introduced by
Assemblyman Paul Koretz and sponsored by The Paw Project, does not get
the votes needed to pass committee. The bill is tabled until the 2004
session. 
  April 7, 2003: The City Council of West Hollywood, CA
enacted an ordinance banning the declawing of cats; the first law of
its kind in the United States
  
  February 14, 2003: California Assemblyman Paul Koretz
(D-42nd District) introduces Assembly Bill (AB) 395 to prohibit
declawing of cats. AB 395 will ban the inhumane surgical procedure, and
if enacted, it may be the nation's first state law to prohibit
declawing.



MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  Message
  
  
  Now, I stand corrected Patti!!
  
  I totally agree: declawing
should be illegal. (I'd never heard of such a thing until I came to the
US.)
  
  Any cat that finds a home with
you, Patti, is one very fortunate cat. Would that it were the norm,
instead of the exception.
  
  hugs, Kerry

Re: litterboxes

[Nina]

Lora,
Ha!  My, my you did take drastic measures!When we bought the living 
room furniture, we also got a new futon mattress.  We were smart enough 
to leave it covered in the plastic it came in until Thanksgiving 
morning.  Thank goodness we did, when I went to cut the plastic off, I 
found a small pond of urine in the middle!  Ugh!  I started looking 
around for someone to strangle.  I do remember discussing the 'errant 
elimination' topic once before and was surprised at how many cats seem 
to like going potty on plastic.  Little dears.

Nina

Lora wrote:


Yep, I truly feel your pain.

It is for this sole purpose that we have finally
learned, in our home, to have ALL of the fabric
furniture professionally
steamed upholstered and then have them wrapped in
plastic.

Once the plastic is professionally installed,
slipcovers are fitted for each inidividual piece.

Now when we have an inappropriate elimation/soiling
accident or a territorial aggression spray issue,
I simply take the slipcovers off and throw them in the
washing machine.

Of course this obviously meant that I absoultely had
to purchase an industrial size washer and dryer.

It is a godsend that we have a well-water hook-up
(with a water-softener) to the house, otherwise we
would be spending a fortune on monthly bills for city
water/sewage.

Even with purchasing a water-softener, septic tank,
monthly bags of watersalt refills and
biannually/annually septic tank maintenance/drainnig,
we are saving a bundle in the long-run! Everything is
going up, including utilities and water!

At least I have found an effecient method to nearly
eliminate ALL of the sofa cat-hair on a regular basis!
:)

Lora

--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My husband calls cat poo appetizers chewy goodness.
Disgusting. Ah the joys of fur parenting. While we're
on the
subject of poo...  I just have to vent a little.

After all the talk of psyching out litterbox
avoidance, my cat Gypsy decided to put me in my place.
I was so proud of myself for finding and having
delivered a new sofa, love seat and 
overstuffed chair in time for the hoard of people that
will be 
descending on our home for Thanksgiving. We just got

it yesterday, haven't even arranged it the way we want
yet.

My husband stuck his face back in the bedroom this
morning with a look that told me something was very
wrong. Gypsy had not only christened the new sofa with
her distinctive soft poo, but someone had urinated on
the chair!

Aaarrrggh! Mommy was not happy.  Little s**ts wanted
to make sure the new stuff smelled more like the old
stuff I guess.

Nina




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RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[Barb Moermond]

Title: Message
well, Smoky's been doing the press-the-top-of-the-head against surfaces - mostly my chest or hand or whatever - the last several days, but he's dealing with his 2nd bout of interstitial cystitis, so it makes sense about the pain.Bandit definitely weaned too early - I've never seen him do the head-pressing thing. or the tongue thing."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Y'lnow, before Tiger came into my life, I would never  have believed how many problems too-early-weaning creates for a cat. It's so  sad. And these are lifelong problems. -Original Message-From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Sunday, November
 27, 2005 9:41  AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x  feline behavior Qs  Pressing head against  chest… The person who told me that is one who has one cat who does this  the minute your pick him up—vet told her about too early  weaning…   Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original  Message-From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry  N.Sent: Sunday, November 27,  2005 10:37 AMTo:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior  Qs   Somebody  once told mean that cats who were weaned too early do thisThanks  Chrisd'you mean the pressing forehead behavior (that Tiger doesmy vet  already said Tiger's wool-suckingis a result of too early  weaning)(Or d'you  mean the tongue thing?) -Original  Message-From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:31  AMTo:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior  Qs I don’t know about  that… I have one who does this to get petted Somebody once told mean that  cats who were weaned too early do this and one who falls asleep sometimes with  part of her tongue hanging out—go figure…   Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original  Message-From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry  N.Sent: Sunday, November 27,  2005
 10:25 AMTo:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: o/t2 x feline behavior  Qs   You guys  have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if there's  anything to worry about when a cat has a habit ofa) 
 pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive  disorder/kitty Prozaccat)OR  (different cat)b) poking  its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes. (Pookie, my  CRF foster)(re:  a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead against  an object is in pain.)Thanks  for any feedback anyone may have.Kerry   =00   
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Re: Pills

[PEC2851]

Rebecca,
Yes, I know administering pills can be very difficult and stressful, both 
to the cat and guardian. And, as I said before, some cats are just about 
impossible to pill!!
And cat bites are VERY nasty - you really have to be careful with them. 

So I would definitely opt for the liquid medications, less stress for both 
you and Brooklyn.
Most vet practices also have the compounding kits for meds so that you can 
get them in a zillion different flavors now too. More expensive, but 
definitely worth it.
To save some $$$'s, with the pepcid, (famatodine), you can crush up the 
pill and mix it with a small bit of tuna juice (or clam)  administer it 
with a syringe. (Your vet can supply you with that. Just an idea. The $$$'s can 
add up so fast!)
Good luck, and keep those bites clean!!
Patti

Re: Conflict on being vegan

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 11/27/05 12:22:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He also 
  still can't get it through his head that this includes chicken for some 
  reason!?!?

Ditto that for fish..
My reply is, "If it has a face"
Patti

Re: evil vegans...?

[PEC2851]

Tonya,
I understand everything that you're saying. I do what I can to educate my 
friends and family whenever I get a chance. I have found that after all these 
years, the majority of those I am closest to have accepted my lifestyle, and 
after listening to what motivated me to "change", have a deeper respect for 
me.
It's taken a long time though. In the beginning everyone thought it 
was a "phase", part of the hippie culture/movement. They'd joke about me ending 
up in a commune somewhere
But, as the years passed, they finally realized I was serious and then 
started "listening" to what I had to say.
I know it might not seem like a big thing to some, but my mother, who is 
now 75, has become a more "compassionate shopper". Household items that 
were commonplace in her home, such as Tide, Downy, Bounty,Pledge, etc., 
have been replaced by items made by companies that do not test on animals.
She and my Dad (who passed away 5 years ago), gave up eating veal after 
learning how veal calves are raised.
To some, it might not seem like much, but I believe every "little bit" 
helpsMy mother and my aunt (who is 82), now will prepare "vegan" meals when 
I join them for lunch or dinner. They've learned the "lingo"  when in 
doubt, ask questions. I think it's great! (My aunt has a hard time 
with the jello thing..she just can't get the connection!)
I, like you, believe, one person can make a difference.
Little things really "do" matter.
Patti

Re: Pills

[PEC2851]

Hmmm... I think you're the first to mention "pillers".
I have half a dozen here if anyone's interested! LOL! I just 
can never work those things!
Usually, the "one" time I get it right, the da_n pill gets stuck!!
Patti

Re: evil vegans...?

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 11/27/05 1:42:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
She just 
  couldn't understand any other reason for not wanting to eat pigs, so 
  funny

OMG!! Nina, that is TOO funny!

RE: Pills

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



I never got them to work either! (It's hard 
to practise ahead of time...)

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 
6:24 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: 
Pills
Hmmm... I think you're the first to mention "pillers".
I have half a dozen here if anyone's interested! LOL! I just 
can never work those things!
Usually, the "one" time I get it right, the da_n pill gets stuck!!
Patti


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Re: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[Terri Brown]

Title: Message




ditto. I have 3 that do this.

Terri in NJ

  - Original Message - 
  From: carrie chance 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:47 
  AM
  Subject: Re: o/t2 x feline behavior 
  Qs
  
  hummm, not to interupt, but I Bottlefeed 
  babies,
  anyways mostbottle babies do this 
  regardless, as it is a sign
  of affection towards their MOM, who was a human, 
  and not a mom
  cat. So maybe if your baby was weened to early, 
  you are getting the same result.
  Therefore I would have to say it is his way of 
  giving you affection
  I have SEVERAL that actually give me hugs, and 
  beleive me they are
  hugs, and darn things wont let go either. The 
  tounge thing, thats kind of funny
  maybe his tougne is to long,,8-)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Chris 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:41 
AM
Subject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


Pressing head 
against chest… The person who told me that is one who has one cat who 
does this the minute your pick him up—vet told her about too early 
weaning…


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Sunday, November 
27, 2005 10:37 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


Somebody 
once told mean that cats who were weaned too early do this



Thanks 
Chrisd'you mean the pressing forehead behavior (that Tiger doesmy 
vet already said Tiger's wool-suckingis a result of too early 
weaning)



(Or 
d'you mean the tongue thing?)
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:31 
AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs
I don’t know about 
that… I have one who does this to get petted Somebody once told mean 
that cats who were weaned too early do this and one who falls asleep 
sometimes with part of her tongue hanging out—go figure…


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Sunday, November 
27, 2005 10:25 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: o/t2 x feline behavior 
Qs


You 
guys have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if 
there's anything to worry about when a cat has a habit 
of



a) 
pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive 
compulsive disorder/kitty Prozaccat)



OR 
(different cat)



b) 
poking its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes. 
(Pookie, my CRF foster)



(re: 
a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead 
against an object is in pain.)



Thanks for any 
feedback anyone may have.



Kerry






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Re: RE: Postive and Negative Cats?

[catatonya]

Bonnie,How old were your cats who contracted the leukemia and died when you brought in the new kitten? When I brought in my positive kitten I had one other kitten, but the rest were adults. None of mine contracted the disease, but they had all been vaccinated though.tBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I also unknowingly adopted a positive kitten, but he had tested a falsenegative. My five other kitties were unvaccinated; three caught thevirus and died within two years as did the kitten. A third kitty testedpositive after that debacle, but threw off the virus.I certainly wouldn't mix positives and negatives as the vaccine is onlysaid to be 85 per cent effective.just my two
 cents,Bonniewww.elephants.com- Original Message -From: Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:39 pmSubject: RE: Postive and Negative Cats?To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Four of my cats lived together for several years before I found out my Tucson was pos. They had not been felv vaccinated and two had come  in as kittens. None of the other three tested pos and I vaccinate them  everyyear. I did not even consider separating as they had all  lived together for those years and no one had contracted felv. They eat together, use  the same litter box, play with the same toys, groom each other, and on and  on. I brought in a stray I had been feeding last year and it turned out  he was pos but totally asymptomatic... So, I now have 5--2 pos, 3 neg and my  biggestproblem is that Tuscon hates the latest
 addition.   Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]  -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allie Deaver Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:17 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Postive and Negative Cats?   Hey everyone-  I was wondering...my other cat hasn't been tested yet, but will be  tomorrow.However, whether he is positive or negative, we have a  problem. He either has to live with a positive cat or, when my FeLV+ kitty crosses teh  bridge,or if he's positive and can't go into remission (he shows no  symptoms of anything, he's a very healthy cat overall, except for the usual  occassionalkitty eye goobers and hairballs), he'll need a  companion, since he does NOT do well
 alone. I've been looking for someone with FeLV+ cats for  adoption in my area (Chicago), with no avail. That, and the cats I take in tend  to be needy, homeless strays that choose me (who are then taken  immediately to the vet to be tested, have inital rabies and FVRCP vacs and an exam  before they ever meet the other resident cat, since I can only have 2 at a  time). And anyway, if he's a neg, I have no plans to cast off my kitten just  becauseshe has this diagnosis.   So how do you guys do it? Everything I've ever read says "remove all positive cats from the household" or "elect euthanasia if you have a multi-cat household" as if it were that easy.   I'm aware that some of you keep both positives and negatives  together...so I have some questions and I would really love it if you guys would  share some of your
 experiences with me: -How do you do it? Are they separated in any way within your home? -How do you control the virus in terms of cleaning and separation  of LB's and dishes? -CAN the virus be contained? What other precautions do you take? -Does this mean I have to stop bringing treated/vaccinated rescued  negs into my house as long as I have a positive cat, should Leo test positive? -In your experience, how quickly and readily does the virus spread? Everything I've read basically says that if you have one positive,  you can count on having more if you're in a multi-cat household.  -In a household with both negs and positive cats, do you vaccinate  the negs? Why or why not?  I've already gotten some input from Belinda (thank you!) but I just  kind of want to take a survey to see the various outcomes and know all of my
 options. If anyone can spare some good vibes that Leo is negative  and Lola's symtoms remain under control at least until we can seek further  treatmentoptions, I'd greatly appreciate it!  Thanks guy! You are a terrific group!  Allie  

Re: Postive and Negative Cats?

[Nina]

What seems to be the case is that a good many healthy adult 
non-vaccinated cats will either contract and then clear the virus, or 
never get it at all, some unfortunately as in Bonnie's case do obviously 
succumb.  From my observations, it is highly unlikely for a healthy 
adult cat that has been previously vaccinated to contract felv.  I just 
read an article that confirmed this.  It stated how it is virtually 
impossible to conclude the effectiveness of the felv vac in studies, (in 
this person's opinion), because the control group of unvaccinated cats 
either cleared the virus anyway, or did not become infected.  I'm trying 
to remember where I read that article...  I seem to remember that 
Bonnie's cats were not kittens.  I hate this disease.

N

catatonya wrote:


Bonnie,
 
How old were your cats who contracted the leukemia and died when you 
brought in the new kitten?  When I brought in my positive kitten I had 
one other kitten, but the rest were adults.  None of mine contracted 
the disease, but they had all been vaccinated though.
 
t


*/BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

I also unknowingly adopted a positive kitten, but he had tested a
false
negative. My five other kitties were unvaccinated; three caught the
virus and died within two years as did the kitten. A third kitty
tested
positive after that debacle, but threw off the virus.

I certainly wouldn't mix positives and negatives as the vaccine is
only
said to be 85 per cent effective.

just my two cents,
Bonnie

www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: Chris
Date: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:39 pm
Subject: RE: Postive and Negative Cats?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Four of my cats lived together for several years before I found
out my
 Tucson was pos. They had not been felv vaccinated and two had come
 in as
 kittens. None of the other three tested pos and I vaccinate them
 everyyear. I did not even consider separating as they had all
 lived together for
 those years and no one had contracted felv. They eat together, use
 the same
 litter box, play with the same toys, groom each other, and on and
 on. I
 brought in a stray I had been feeding last year and it turned out
 he was pos
 but totally asymptomatic... So, I now have 5--2 pos, 3 neg and my
 biggestproblem is that Tuscon hates the latest addition.


 Chris
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allie
Deaver
 Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:17 PM
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Postive and Negative Cats?


 Hey everyone-

 I was wondering...my other cat hasn't been tested yet, but will be
 tomorrow.However, whether he is positive or negative, we have a
 problem. He either
 has to live with a positive cat or, when my FeLV+ kitty crosses teh
 bridge,or if he's positive and can't go into remission (he shows no
 symptoms of
 anything, he's a very healthy cat overall, except for the usual
 occassionalkitty eye goobers and hairballs), he'll need a
 companion, since he does NOT
 do well alone. I've been looking for someone with FeLV+ cats for
 adoption in
 my area (Chicago), with no avail. That, and the cats I take in tend
 to be
 needy, homeless strays that choose me (who are then taken
 immediately to the
 vet to be tested, have inital rabies and FVRCP vacs and an exam
 before they
 ever meet the other resident cat, since I can only have 2 at a
 time). And
 anyway, if he's a neg, I have no plans to cast off my kitten just
 becauseshe has this diagnosis.

 So how do you guys do it? Everything I've ever read says remove all
 positive cats from the household or elect euthanasia if you have a
 multi-cat household as if it were that easy.

 I'm aware that some of you keep both positives and negatives
 together...so I
 have some questions and I would really love it if you guys would
 share some
 of your experiences with me:
 -How do you do it? Are they separated in any way within your home?
 -How do you control the virus in terms of cleaning and separation
 of LB's
 and dishes?
 -CAN the virus be contained? What other precautions do you take?
 -Does this mean I have to stop bringing treated/vaccinated rescued
 negs into
 my house as long as I have a positive cat, should Leo test positive?
 -In your experience, how quickly and readily does the virus spread?
 Everything I've read basically says that if you have one positive,
 you can
 count on having more if you're in a multi-cat household.
 -In a household with both negs and positive cats, do you vaccinate
 the negs?
 Why or why not?

 I've already gotten 

Thank you

[Sherry DeHaan]

Thank you all for your kind words.it is helping me to believe that I did the right thing and that I should not feel guilty,I will always wonder if I could have done more,but that is just me.She lived for her Temptations treats,I trained her (or she trained me) that if she gave me a kiss on the nose she would get a treat,we would do this for 20 treats if I kept telling her pleeps for treats,I know silly but it was so adorable,my boyfriend would just laugh at us,but he got in on it too sometimes.She even would wake me up kissing my nose and if I tried to hide it she would kiss me all over my face,she was just the most adorable thing you ever seen.She had so many little things that she did that just melted my heart,she love me very much and I hope she knows that I did everything for her.Thank you all for letting me share a couple of her many sweet things she left in my heart to remember. :) Sherry
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Re: Thank you

[Nina]

Ah Sherry, you're breaking my heart.  I too had a felv pos named Grace, 
I lost her in Sept, she was almost 2 yrs old. She was my special heart 
warmer, she would jump on my lap and press her little body against my 
chest until any troubles and strife would be replaced by her warm loving 
glow.  In those moments it was impossible to think, or feel anything but 
her unconditional, and yes, undying love.  I lost her sister Jazz in 
April at 18 mos and two of their litter mates before they had even 
turned 6 mos.  They too were born with felv, they too were the most 
precious gifts of love and light.  We've discussed it before on the 
list, these angels are the most remarkable kitties, there's just 
something so special about them and the way they steal your heart.  My 
deepest sympathies go out to you and your boyfriend, I know Maizee will 
be sorely missed.  I'm so glad you've found your way to forgiving 
yourself, (at least a little bit), for not having it in your control to 
save her.  We're all too familiar with that agony and regret.  Thank you 
for sharing some of the wonderful memories of special moments shared 
together.  I believe Maizee Grace lives on, it's small comfort when the 
loss of her physical presence is so fresh and painful.  Even if you 
don't believe in life after death, remembering and recounting the joy we 
shared with our babies helps them live on in our hearts and honors their 
memory.

Much love to you in your sorrow,
Nina

Sherry DeHaan wrote:

Thank you all for your kind words.it is helping me to believe that I 
did the right thing and that I should not feel guilty,I will always 
wonder if I could have done more,but that is just me.She lived for her 
Temptations treats,I trained her (or she trained me) that if she gave 
me a kiss on the nose she would get a treat,we would do this for 20 
treats if I kept telling her pleeps for treats,I know silly but it was 
so adorable,my boyfriend would just laugh at us,but he got in on it 
too sometimes.She even would wake me up kissing my nose and if I tried 
to hide it she would kiss me all over my face,she was just the most 
adorable thing you ever seen.She had so many little things that she 
did that just melted my heart,she love me very much and I hope she 
knows that I did everything for her.Thank you all for letting me share 
a couple of her many sweet things she left in my heart to remember. 
:)Sherry



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Re: Pills

[catatonya]

If you're talking about pilling flagyl/metronidazole (I didn't read carefully)... forget it!Get your vet to give you flagyl in 'treat' form. My vet has them. If your vet doesn't have them they need to be put in a plain capsule like someone suggested. These pills are very bitter. Good luck!tonyaDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  One other tip that might work today, Rebecca. You might try crushing thepill into powder, and then put it in a little bit of water or tuna water,and by little bit, I mean like a cc. A medicine cup usually works best formixing such a small amount. Then draw it all up in a syringe and have itready. While holding Brooklyn in a towel, open the side of his mouth wherehis back teeth don't quite meet.Put the
 syringe in that little spot, and tilt his head back and squirt. Hewill struggle, but hold firmly. Even if he gags a little, you will get somedown. If he bites down, he can only bite the syringe. That way you don'thave to get liquid and have pills you will never ever use again, and havewasted money. I bet the liquid won't taste any better than the pill,anyway. You can get a syringe from the pharmacy.I watched my vet give a pill to my cat once, with a wand thing with a slotat the end to hold the pill. It was over in a half a second! I don't eventhink the cat realized it had taken a pill! Anybody use those before?Let us know what happens. He will be mad, but not for long.Sandy- Original Message -From: "veggiepugs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:53 AMSubject: Pills Patti- Not sure if it's spelled with an I or a Y i forgot to look
 before I wroteback...lol. Anyhow, yes I definitely need them in liquid form, this is IMPOSSIBLE. Pills are flying everywhere when heshakes his head and im getting bitten and scratched by a sweet cat! He took the liquid form of the clavimox that Igave him when he first got here so I know I can do that. THANK YOU. I'm calling the vet monday! -Rebecca  

Re: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

[felv]

We call those kissies. Tigger is my "kisser". He will rub down the sides 
ofmy face or chest with his head, but he also just plants his head against 
me at times too, and purrs. He's not in any pain, he's just being sweet. You see 
this motion more in dogs, where it's a sign of submission. Tigger likes it if 
you reach with your arms down both sides of his body when he's got his head 
against your chest, and rub his "booty" with your hands on both sides at 
once.
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Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)

[veggiepugs]

Warning...this is a LONG one and mostly about vegetarianism/animal activism. 
But first...

Thanks for that note on the Native American poem...I'm going to look for that. 

Nina- That's my favorite veterinary resource Marvistavet! Thanks for that link. 
That's how I tried it but the problem 
was, I couldn't restrain his feet with one hand while giving him the pill with 
the other and he reached up and 
scratched me and while I was putting the pill in his mouth, he bit down on my 
hand. I just thought of something that 
was recommended with my guinea pigs and wonder if it would work, but it is kind 
of mean, though any way you give 
a pill is going to be to the cat...It was suggested that I wrap my guinea pig 
in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel 
to hold his feet back, that might work. Then again, he'll probably figure out a 
way to get out. LOL. I'm calling the vet 
tomorrow for liquid form and see about that. 

Now...

Tonya (is that right?) about the whole vegan/vegetarian discussion...You put 
things very well. It is so true that people 
turn a blind eye to satisfy a craving. Many of my friends who are of Christian 
Faith question me and test me about my 
decisions not to eat meat. They disagree with me and believe that animals were 
put here for our use. Even though it's 
no longer necessary. What strikes me is that one of the basic tenets of 
Christian religion is thou shalt not give into 
temptation but somehow, where eating and using animals is concerned, that 
doesn't seem to apply. (I hope I'm not 
offending anyone here...my apologies if I have). I think though, that animals 
are considered by many Christians, not 
to have souls or be of importance in the kingdom of Heaven. But aren't all 
animals God's creatures? This, I struggle to 
understand. My boyfriend is of pretty strong Protestant belief, but he doesn't 
give me a hard time about it. He really 
and truly loves animals and he admires me for my decisions, and even tells 
everyone how cool I am about it because 
I'm not a fanatic or pushing it in people's faces. But, he too, doesn't make 
the connection between the animals at 
home and the animals on his plate. On one of my websites I have a picture of a 
cat and a pig looking at each other 
and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other 
foodWhy? Recently a friend of mine saw that, 
and hasn't eaten meat for a week. For him, that made the connection. I don't 
know if he'll stick to it, but at least he is 
trying and at least for him, something has clicked. As you said...any little 
bit makes a difference.

I know 2 people who actually worked in the animal industry and became vegan as 
a result of it. One, is the mad 
cowboy, who i don't know personally...and the other is a man named Virgil 
Butler, who I've spoken to quite a few 
times. He used to work for Tyson chicken and one day, something finally snapped 
and as he watched his fellow co-
workers mistreat the chickens and watched the process of how they come to be 
the food on our plates. He actually 
went up against Tyson in court in a lawsuit. If you're interested in reading 
about him, he's known as the cyberactivist. 
Just google that. It'll come up. 

There is a book called Dominion by Matthew Scully and it's about animal 
exploitation and thoughts and 
philosophies about it. He was a former speech writer for President Bush and a 
conservative Republican who is a 
vegetarian/vegan and gets teased of course by his colleagues. But honestly, I 
think anyone who cares about animals 
needs to read this book. It is life altering and really makes you think. 
Whether you're a veg or not. If you love 
animals. Read this book. It is well written, intelligent, makes wonderful and 
logical points, gets you to think and can 
change your life. It changed mine. It was the best book I have ever read. One 
of the points he made, which was blunt 
as could be, was:

...let us just call things what they are. When a man's love of finery clouds 
his moral judgement, that is vanity. When 
he lets a demanding palate make his moral choices, that is gluttony. When he 
ascribes the divine will to his own 
whims, that is pride. And when he gets angry at being reminded of animal 
suffering that his own daily choices might 
help avoid, that is moral cowardice. ~Matthew Scully

Harsh as that may be, it does hold some merit. I think. But it's what many 
people have to do. I don't begrudge people 
their decisions to follow what is a traditional and long standing way of life. 
To choose the route of vegetarianism or 
veganism is life altering. But not as much, or in the way that one might think. 
It is very painful to recognize the actual 
reality of the animal industry and to make the connection. It's not something 
many people can handle. God, I 
remember when I first started venturing out into the world of vegetarianism and 
animal activism I was outraged, 
disgusted, saddened and angry at what goes on. For a long time i was angry 

Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 203

[veggiepugs]

Hah..I just read this about the towel...lol...after I wrote back to a previous 
post...i should read thru everything before 
i reply but once again im impatient...lol

I also have a syringe...from when I had guinea pigs and had to syringe feed the 
sick ones. :(

Definitely going to try that! 

Thank you SO much for all the tips! This is GREAT!

Hugs
Rebecca


One other tip that might work today, Rebecca.  You might try crushing the
pill into powder, and then put it in a little bit of water or tuna water,
and by little bit, I mean like a cc.  A medicine cup usually works best for
mixing such a small amount.  Then draw it all up in a syringe and have it
ready.  While holding Brooklyn in a towel, open the side of his mouth where
his back teeth don't quite meet.
Put the syringe in that little spot, and tilt his head back and squirt.  He
will struggle, but hold firmly.  Even if he gags a little, you will get some
down.  If he bites down, he can only bite the syringe.  That way you don't
have to get liquid and have pills you will never ever use again, and have
wasted money.  I bet the liquid won't taste any better than the pill,
anyway.  You can get a syringe from the pharmacy.
I watched my vet give a pill to my cat once, with a wand thing with a slot
at the end to hold the pill.  It was over in a half a second!  I don't even
think the cat realized it had taken a pill!  Anybody use those before?
Let us know what happens.  He will be mad, but not for long.
Sandy

Re: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)

[Nina]

It was suggested that I wrap my guinea pig in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel  



Why do I always forget to recommend the towel!
N

Re: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 11/28/05 12:06:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One, is 
  the mad cowboy, who i don't know personally.

Howard Lyman, ex-rancher - was 4th generation.
He stood by Oprah's side when she battled the beef industry  the Texas 
cattlemen.
I had the opportunity to meet him when he was a speaker at the 1996 "March 
for the Animals" in Washington, D.C.
What stories he can tell!
Patti