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yeah, i figured that you weren't making a black-and-white statement, but too many people DO: assuming that sanctuaries, big or small, SHOULD be open at all hours of the day, and that both the cats and the humans should welcome strange people showing up at all hours of the day! i'd still like to come up with a checklist for what a sanctuary setting should be--and folks, it's NOT always gonna be what a home will be! michael and tad and gary have homelike settings, but not every decent place does, and there are often choices that are made that we might not make for our personal cats. until, however, you're willing to open your life to these "undesirables," you're not there, having to make those choices. i'd like there to be a checklist that's realistic, and then a group of folks who are willing to visit the places in their area where people can't always get to themselves, to do a home visit. i don't think it's always possible for people to visit a facility themselves, even if that's what they'd prefer--i know that physically and financially, i couldn't make a trip out to say, michael's--but i would trust susan's judgment, or yours, belinda.. too many places cropping up in the past year or so calling themselves "sanctuaries," when no one has ever heard of them. makes me nervous. (micheal, i know you're not new, just choosing to be less public, which is a very reasonable response considering what has happened to so many good places.) just me, being objective as usual. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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MC, That is what I mean, I wouldn't need the actual street address until I was sure I wanted to take the kitty there. General address to start is fine. But for me personally I would have to take the cat there and look at the place. I have only given cats up one time when my neighbor across the street moved and left 3 cats behind. I called around to all of the local shelters and sanctuaries and found one 80 miles away that could take them. I took them there, had a look around and gave them a $100.00 donation to take the cats, I know they thought I was the one dumping them but that didn't matter, I knew they were going to a place I felt comfortable with. They let me know that they had all 3 been adopted with in a month, they were all young, 10 months and under. Nice neighbor, their Momma didn't fare as well, I found her dead on the side of the road a couple of months or so before they disappeared into the night. They kept the other kitties inside until they disappeared because I didn't see them until they had moved. Believe me I wanted to keep them but I already had 7 of my own and realistically that just wasn't doable. The youngest one was only 10 or 12 weeks or so old. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Jeni That sounds like me... The kittens had a good life here although it was not a long life... Midnight, a cat from your area that we were working on transportation for, is still doing fine and she is going on 2 years here Yes... my vet is my one good reference but he is in the best position to know how my guys live and are cared for and treated here and it is important to have a vet that cares. Tad JENI RECA wrote: you could ask for two references, two people that know them and can just tell you a little about them, you can ask about their pet history and verify it with the references. A vet reference is great, unless it's their first time owning a cat. Someone did adopt two kittens from me on this list, they gave me a vet name and number and just talking with them and getting a good feeling about it, I knew the cats were going to be fine. They were too far to check out the living arrangements, but they kept in touch with me and sent me pictures. good luck!jeni Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:40:41 -0400 From: tadburn...@vermontel.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Check with his vet Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name basis with a vet Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the cats will be living ??? And are they willing to answer all your questions ??? Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year ago. Tad Cindy Jackson wrote: How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is legitimate? Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on felvtalk or have you found someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how did you make sure they are reputable? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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belinda, they NEVER gave out the address for angel wings, and i only know of one person who was ever actually AT one of their (many) locations; at the same time, every sanctuary setting i know of does not give out their street address UNTIL and UNLESS someone has a reason to have it. ie, when reyna and the place decide that they will work together, he will give it to her. the reasons are two-fold: one, once an address is out there, cats are dumped on the place constantly. and when they are dumped, the people who dump them rarely have the guts to tell you they're doing so--so in the north, you find dead cats in carriers in the winter, or housecats attacked by wildlife, or killed on the road. the other reason is that, in most sanctuary settings, the humans also live there, and they are NOT like shelters that have regular office hours where people can drop in any time. most times there are outside jobs, family times, etc. that the folks at the sanctuary have a right to have respected. at cat tail farms, we NEVER turned away anyone who had a real reason to come out, even if just to visit, but it had to be around OUR schedule of feeding, cleaning, vet visits, and what little semblance of lives that caring for 500+ cats allowed us. MC On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Belinda Sauro wrote: > No Address no cat ... > > -- > > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > http://bemikitties.com > > http://BelindaSauro.com > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Adoption of cats
go to almost any petfinder site or rescue and download THEIR application--then use it as a guideline. there's forms for foster and adoption apps on the www.purebredcats.org website, too. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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you could ask for two references, two people that know them and can just tell you a little about them, you can ask about their pet history and verify it with the references. A vet reference is great, unless it's their first time owning a cat. Someone did adopt two kittens from me on this list, they gave me a vet name and number and just talking with them and getting a good feeling about it, I knew the cats were going to be fine. They were too far to check out the living arrangements, but they kept in touch with me and sent me pictures. good luck!jeni > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:40:41 -0400 > From: tadburn...@vermontel.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) > > Check with his vet > Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name > basis with a vet > Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the > cats will be living ??? > And are they willing to answer all your questions ??? > > Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the > past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think > I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year > ago. > Tad > > > Cindy Jackson wrote: > > >How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is legitimate? > >Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on felvtalk or have you found > >someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how > >did you make sure they are reputable? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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In Reyna's situation, if she was able to bring the cat herself, Michael would gladly give her the address. But she isn't able to bring the cat from LA to Reno. So I'm working on transport. In a sanctuary situation (as opposed to a citizen non-rescuer adopter), you have to be careful about giving out your address. Too many sanctuaries have cats dumped at their door once the address is too public. So the physical address is on a need to know basis. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Belinda Sauro wrote: > From: Belinda Sauro > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:30 PM > Anyone who wouldn't > let you come over and see that cat is a big red flag for > me. You can't do that without an address. > > -- > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > http://bemikitties.com > > http://BelindaSauro.com > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Agreed--when I was looking for a home for Romeo, I was referred to someone who apparently takes all the FELV cats from rescues in my area. BUT he never gives his address and they are perfectly content to meet him in a parking lot somewhere and give him cats. He may have been wonderful but I found his unwillingness to let me do a home visit too frightening. The joke is that I found his address (from his phone #) in about 30 seconds--but that wasn't the point. Then I had someone who called me about all this experience she had. I asked for a vet ref and she willingly gave it to me--though in retrospect, I suspect she figured I'd never check. Well the story her vet told me was awful and needless to say I was s glad I did that check. I've worked on placing animals long distance for the Shelter I volunteer for and its not easy. But there's an application form, vet check and always someone local who can check things out before AND after the placement. There's also an adoption contract that says that if for any reason and at any time, if the adopter cannot keep the animal, they MUST contact us first and give us an opportunity to plan for that animal. We also always do follow ups==pictures, conversations, etc. You can tell a lot from those about how things are going. Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Anyone who wouldn't let you come over and see that cat is a big red flag for me. You can't do that without an address. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Adoption of cats
On 07-30, Cindy Jackson wrote: > > How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is > legitimate? Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on > felvtalk or have you found someone here that you called to ask if > they could adopt your cat? If so, how did you make sure they are > reputable? ? ? ? It's not easy, but here are some tips.. If you are doing this via computer, use e-mail for the first interview. If the e-mail exchanges are good, I ask for a phone number. If the person can't respond with a complete e-mail sentence stop right there. If you get a phone number for the person call them at that number early in the screening process. If the number can't be verified as valid, go no further. When you call the potential adopters ask them to tell you about themselves and the home they have to offer. Ask if they've had cats or a cat before, and what happened to the cat. A really good indiction of commitment is if the people tell you they nursed a senior cat through the end of it's life. A bad indication is someone who says their cats keep getting run over, their dog kills them, or they don't have a clue why their cats keep disappearing! Always ask a nominal adoption fee. But feel free to waive it if you feel really good about the people or ask them to donate to a rescue group instead. The willingness to pay a small fee is just one indicator of commitment. When you choose a family after the initial interview, go to their house and look around carefully. Are there other animals - how do they interact? Are there young children - how do they react to the cat? Is this house and family suitable? Look around and make a bit of a judgment call on whether or not this family can afford your cat. Not everyone should own a pet if they can't afford the vet bills involved. If you feel this is not the family for your pet, be gracious in saying, I'm sorry I do not think my cat would be suited to your family. Then try again.. Once you find the family, let them know that you will be popping by some time in the next 2 weeks to see how the cat is doing. If he is well adjusting then you know your job is done and if not, then make it clear that you reserve the right to pull the pet back out and try again. Leave the family your contact information so they can reach you if they decide they do not want the pet. Also leave them the information on the pet's vet of the past and a medical history. This looks like a lot to do, but it's for the protection of your cat. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
