Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha
I think the de Mari feline recombinant interferon omega study was done with symptomatic FeLV+ cats. I think. If I already had interferon omega and Ember was symptomatic, I would definitely try it. I know very little about what is suggested with LTCI (symptomatic vs. asymptomatic for treatment). Their website should mention this. To clarify, there are two types of interferon given for FeLV+ cats: 1) interferon alpha (a product for humans that has anecdotally shown promise, but studies have failed to verify this) and 2) feline recombinant interferon omega (anecdotal evidence AND studies have shown promise). It’s easy to get #1 from pretty much any vet. They can write a prescription and have it filled by Roadrunner or another pharmacy that does drugs/compounding for pets. It’s also cheap. I think it’s ~$40 for a month and a half supply using the 5 days on/5 days off protocol. It’s somewhat difficult and expensive to get #2.Your vet has to go through an FDA program that used to be called Compassionate Use. This allows your vet clearance to import feline recombinant interferon omega, which they need, as it’s not sold in the US. There’s paperwork involved, though I don’t think it’s horrible. A dedicated, compassionate vet will do this for you. You then have to pay (through your vet) Abbeyvet In England for the drug and the overnight shipping—overnight from England. When I last priced this, it was ~$1300 for the drug and the shipping. I believe this is for something like 15 doses, but that’s all you give in a year, according to the established protocol. At least with feline recombinant interferon omega, you know you have something that has been proven to work, unlike other drugs I could mention. Will it produce results for a particular FeLV+ cat? Maybe? If Pookie is doing well, then I agree: don’t rock the boat. You might still look into what it would take to get feline recombinant interferon omega imported. Your vet might never have heard of it, and it might be useful to ask them to look into it. If you decide to do it down the road, you have that much less work to do to get it here. On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:48 PM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: > I took Pookie to the one of four vets in Wisconsin who has done LTCI > injections, but Pookie was sick, running a temp, and not eating when he was > seen. So he wasn't a candidate for the injection. Do the FELV+ kitties need > to be symptom free before they administer this? Also is this the same with > the interferon shots? And does anyone know who administers interferon in > Wisconsin? My inclination is if it isn't broken don't fix it...If Pookie is > doing well, I don't want to mess with him. And he is doing great now since he > had acupuncture. Seems so hit or miss with all this?? > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis wrote: > >> Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte T-Cell >> Immunomodulator (LTCI)? >> >> Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn >> >> >> >> On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: >> >>> http://goo.gl/uT6Evb >>> >>> not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the "official" >>> recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, "more research >>> is needed." >>> >>> MC >>> -- >>> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >>> Maybe That'll Make The Difference >>> MaryChristine >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha
I took Pookie to the one of four vets in Wisconsin who has done LTCI injections, but Pookie was sick, running a temp, and not eating when he was seen. So he wasn't a candidate for the injection. Do the FELV+ kitties need to be symptom free before they administer this? Also is this the same with the interferon shots? And does anyone know who administers interferon in Wisconsin? My inclination is if it isn't broken don't fix it...If Pookie is doing well, I don't want to mess with him. And he is doing great now since he had acupuncture. Seems so hit or miss with all this?? On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis wrote: Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator (LTCI)? Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: http://goo.gl/uT6Evb not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the "official" recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, "more research is needed." MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha
I’m pretty sure that several people on this list have tried LTCI on their cats. I don’t recall much being reported, but there are times I don’t read the list closely. I’m somewhat skeptical that it does much, but it’s more because the company seems to mainly concern itself with marketing. I’d love to see clinical testing managed by a competent third party (I always think of Cornell here). Anecdotally, a local FIV+ owner was pleased with LTCI treatment for her cat, as its sneezing was reduced or went away after treatment. I don’t know anything else about the case. If blood values improved, that might be interesting, but just knocking down one symptom (as far as I know) doesn’t strike me as all that miraculous. I had my vet look into getting it for my FeLV+, and while she found the presented information interesting, she also thought things seemed a little shady and unscientific. Feline recombinant interferon omega is the only drug we know of that has been scientifically shown to provide improvement in FeLV+ cats. This is according to the research paper on managing retroviruses released by the AAFP in 2008. Note: I have no stock in Virbac or anyone else who handles it. In fact, the companies handling feline recombinant interferon omega are also on my list for not working harder to get the drug approved in the States. It’s not solely the FDA’s fault that it’s not available domestically. As it’s not approved here, one has to deal with red tape and expensive, overnight cold shipping. Lance On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis wrote: > Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte T-Cell > Immunomodulator (LTCI)? > > Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn > > > > On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: > >> http://goo.gl/uT6Evb >> >> not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the "official" >> recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, "more research is >> needed." >> >> MC >> -- >> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >> Maybe That'll Make The Difference >> >> MaryChristine >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha
Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator (LTCI)? Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: > http://goo.gl/uT6Evb > > not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the "official" > recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, "more research is > needed." > > MC > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha
http://goo.gl/uT6Evb not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the "official" recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, "more research is needed." MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
I use to use worlds best but just now switched to Dr Elsey precious cat, works great so far. Sent from my iPhone. > On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:47, KG BarnCats wrote: > > We really love Dr Elsey Precious Cat multi cat litter. Lowest dust of any > I've seen plus cats love it. Did side by side testing with numerous other > brand incl Swheat and Worlds Best, my cats strongly preferred it. Clumps > great. I use giant rubbermaid tubs so few clumps are by the sides making > scooping fast and easy. There is a fax in rebate for a free first bag on > their website also a 100% usage guarantee. Cant do better than that. > > Kg > > On Sunday, November 10, 2013, Beth wrote: > > Or heartworms. > > > > Katherine Kershaw wrote: > > > >>May also want to consider pneumonia as a cause for coughing. Xray can > >>determine it. Is it phlegmy sounding? My cat was swallowing, coughing, had > >>a gurgly sounding purr and was diagnosed with a little pneumonia. Cleared > >>up with antibiotics. > >> > >>Beth wrote: > >> > >>>They make sifting litter boxes just for the pine litter. you just sift it > >>>to the bottom. And, yes, go to the feed store & get the equine once you > >>>have determined your cats will actually use it. > >>> > >>>Beth > >>> > >>>Lee Evans wrote: > >>> > Feline does not have dust when pouring but it turns into a find yellow > powder after it breaks down. It's nice and inexpensive where I am because > I get pine pellets from a local feed store at $6 for 40#. But it takes a > lot of sweeping up after it's used for a while. > > > > > > On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:05 PM, Beth > wrote: > > Hi Tina - > > > >SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly > >difficult to get out . I had to take a hammer to it. > >You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but > >it doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue > >Buffalo (Walnut Based). My cats & I like the BB best. > >I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic > >problems. > > > >Beth > > > > > > > > > >Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Tina Smith > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM > >Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV? > > > > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > >I have an FeLV+ kitty. He has been mostly healthy but is currently > >going through something that is causing a lot of coughing. We have > >noticed that he seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps > >has some environmental allergies. In addition to other things we are > >doing I am trying to find a dust-free cat litter for him. Last night I > >spent a small fortune on SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all > >of the dust that went flying when we put it in his litter pan. So much > >for dust-free. Has anyone here had luck finding a litter that is good > >to use for our FeLV+ sweeties? > > > > > >I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case > >anybody has some insight into what might be causing it. The vet wasn't > >helpful. Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say > >what the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion. Darwin is > >coughing a lot - a little like the "hairball cough" but not exactly. He > >seems to be breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have > >noticed occasionally that there does seem to be a little congestion. > >There has been no open-mouth breathing. He had a bout of diarrhea for a > >couple of days this past week but seemed to get over that. Now I think > >he might actually be constipated. When he coughs nothing comes out but > >he does swallow as if he has coughed a little something up and then > >swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an obstruction but > >it does seem to be affecting his breathing some. I haven't been able to > >pinpoint any triggers. He > has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, > he has coughed right after using the litter box. But he has also > coughed when he's just resting on the bed and nothing is going on. > > > > > >Any insight would be so welcome. > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
We really love Dr Elsey Precious Cat multi cat litter. Lowest dust of any I've seen plus cats love it. Did side by side testing with numerous other brand incl Swheat and Worlds Best, my cats strongly preferred it. Clumps great. I use giant rubbermaid tubs so few clumps are by the sides making scooping fast and easy. There is a fax in rebate for a free first bag on their website also a 100% usage guarantee. Cant do better than that. Kg On Sunday, November 10, 2013, Beth wrote: > Or heartworms. > > Katherine Kershaw wrote: > >>May also want to consider pneumonia as a cause for coughing. Xray can determine it. Is it phlegmy sounding? My cat was swallowing, coughing, had a gurgly sounding purr and was diagnosed with a little pneumonia. Cleared up with antibiotics. >> >>Beth wrote: >> >>>They make sifting litter boxes just for the pine litter. you just sift it to the bottom. And, yes, go to the feed store & get the equine once you have determined your cats will actually use it. >>> >>>Beth >>> >>>Lee Evans wrote: >>> Feline does not have dust when pouring but it turns into a find yellow powder after it breaks down. It's nice and inexpensive where I am because I get pine pellets from a local feed store at $6 for 40#. But it takes a lot of sweeping up after it's used for a while. On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:05 PM, Beth wrote: Hi Tina - > >SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult to get out . I had to take a hammer to it. >You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue Buffalo (Walnut Based). My cats & I like the BB best. >I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems. > >Beth > > > > >Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org > > > > > > From: Tina Smith >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM >Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV? > > > >Hi all, > > >I have an FeLV+ kitty. He has been mostly healthy but is currently going through something that is causing a lot of coughing. We have noticed that he seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental allergies. In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a dust-free cat litter for him. Last night I spent a small fortune on SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying when we put it in his litter pan. So much for dust-free. Has anyone here had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties? > > >I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case anybody has some insight into what might be causing it. The vet wasn't helpful. Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion. Darwin is coughing a lot - a little like the "hairball cough" but not exactly. He seems to be breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally that there does seem to be a little congestion. There has been no open-mouth breathing. He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but seemed to get over that. Now I think he might actually be constipated. When he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little something up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some. I haven't been able to pinpoint any triggers. He has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has coughed right after using the litter box. But he has also coughed when he's just resting on the bed and nothing is going on. > > >Any insight would be so welcome. > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
