Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany
If only people would have their pets neutered and spayed, so much sufferig would be avoided. Sandy wrote: > Lorrie you are wonderful person! > I sure can't compare to what you have done - but I try to do what I can for > the voiceless. Currently fostering for Maine Coon Rescue and a couple local > rescue organizations. Of course, it's kitten season and the animal control > facilities are all in an urgent status - just can't find enough fosters and > funding. Sad situation - all over. > > Sandy > > - Original Message - > > From: "Lorrie" > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 5:21:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany > > On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > > > ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS. tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT > > THEM. > > Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with > 13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary. > > Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a > sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in > town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats. > The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have > completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat > posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos. All > are neutered or spayed of course! > > I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details. > > Lorrie > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it. Miss Olivia Valencia wrote: > My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a > fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & depo > medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & just > been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been > syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any other > recommendations-For food & staying hydrating? frown emoticon has anybody > else experienced this? whats to be expected? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & depo medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & just been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating? frown emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany
Lorrie you are wonderful person! I sure can't compare to what you have done - but I try to do what I can for the voiceless. Currently fostering for Maine Coon Rescue and a couple local rescue organizations. Of course, it's kitten season and the animal control facilities are all in an urgent status - just can't find enough fosters and funding. Sad situation - all over. Sandy - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 5:21:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS. tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM. Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with 13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary. Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats. The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos. All are neutered or spayed of course! I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany
Lorrie, Do you have pictures? I would love to see what you've done! Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 at 5:21 PM From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS. tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM. Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with 13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary. Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats. The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos. All are neutered or spayed of course! I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany
On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS. tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM. Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with 13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary. Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats. The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos. All are neutered or spayed of course! I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
aLL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS. tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM. Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Lorrie > > I totally agree with you. I too have seen people who will spend lavishly on > their own animals but wouldn't cross the street to help a homeless stray. But > Lorrie, I think those people are the minority. I think that once an animal > comes into your life and opens up your heart, it allows you to care a lot > more for the animals around you and be more empathetic about the plight of > animals other than your own. > > As I said in my earlier post, given the depths people will descend to, I > would never put it past some unscrupulous clinics to abuse donor cats for > blood transfusions, but I believe that most vets are pretty ethical people > and most animal owners are animal lovers so I would think that any abuses are > in the minority. I think it makes excellent sense to keep your concerns in > mind though Lorrie, and to ask a lot of questions to ensure that donor cats > are well cared for at any clinic where blood transfusions are offered. As I > mentioned, up here in Canada - even though I live close to Toronto which is > pretty much the "centre of the universe" in Canada - there are extremely few > clinics where blood transfusion is even offered, and most are these ER > clinics where they charge you $100 just for the privilege of sitting in their > waiting area! > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Lorrie > Sent: May-14-16 10:55 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany > > > Post trimmed. > > Thank you for writing to me, Amani. > I just wrote about my experience with blood donations, but I did want to > comment on the paragraph below. Sadly many clients who go to vet clinics do > not really love or care about cats other than their own. > They will pay huge vet bills to keep their own cats or dogs alive and yet > they would not help a stray cat or dog. I have seen so much of this during my > long life and it really upsets me. > > Lorrie > > On 05-13, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Lorrie > > > > Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it seems > > odd to me that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions (which are > > pretty high end treatments) and not treat the cats well because owners > > who would and could spend that kind of money on their cats are > > obviously very very concerned about animal welfare and would expect > > and demand a certain level of ethical treatment of the donor cats. > > > > I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it is > > very expensive and out of the range of what most people can > > realistically afford. However, this is why I was so annoyed that no > > one told me about the Winstrol, because it probably could have saved > > me close to $10,000, not to mention the trauma of a transfusion on > > both donor and recipient! > > > > Amani > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
Hi Lorrie I totally agree with you. I too have seen people who will spend lavishly on their own animals but wouldn't cross the street to help a homeless stray. But Lorrie, I think those people are the minority. I think that once an animal comes into your life and opens up your heart, it allows you to care a lot more for the animals around you and be more empathetic about the plight of animals other than your own. As I said in my earlier post, given the depths people will descend to, I would never put it past some unscrupulous clinics to abuse donor cats for blood transfusions, but I believe that most vets are pretty ethical people and most animal owners are animal lovers so I would think that any abuses are in the minority. I think it makes excellent sense to keep your concerns in mind though Lorrie, and to ask a lot of questions to ensure that donor cats are well cared for at any clinic where blood transfusions are offered. As I mentioned, up here in Canada - even though I live close to Toronto which is pretty much the "centre of the universe" in Canada - there are extremely few clinics where blood transfusion is even offered, and most are these ER clinics where they charge you $100 just for the privilege of sitting in their waiting area! Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: May-14-16 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Post trimmed. Thank you for writing to me, Amani. I just wrote about my experience with blood donations, but I did want to comment on the paragraph below. Sadly many clients who go to vet clinics do not really love or care about cats other than their own. They will pay huge vet bills to keep their own cats or dogs alive and yet they would not help a stray cat or dog. I have seen so much of this during my long life and it really upsets me. Lorrie On 05-13, Amani Oakley wrote: > Lorrie > > Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it seems > odd to me that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions (which are > pretty high end treatments) and not treat the cats well because owners > who would and could spend that kind of money on their cats are > obviously very very concerned about animal welfare and would expect > and demand a certain level of ethical treatment of the donor cats. > > I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it is > very expensive and out of the range of what most people can > realistically afford. However, this is why I was so annoyed that no > one told me about the Winstrol, because it probably could have saved > me close to $10,000, not to mention the trauma of a transfusion on > both donor and recipient! > > Amani > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
Hi Rachel I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO. Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance. I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is no way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced – even with weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results. Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I am sure she would temper her comments so she doesn’t appear foolish and out of step to them. Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to obtain the Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to me that this may be the most promising route. The trouble isn’t getting the Winstrol once you have a prescription – the problem is getting that prescription from your vet. Once you have that, you can order the medication online from a compounding pharmacy and Ardy let us know about the one she used which shipped to her from another state. I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have a talk with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing little in the way of options except euthanasia, and a trial of Winstrol is inexpensive and certainly not painful to the cat, so rather than simply putting the cat down, why not trying the Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver damage, and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that risk but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often rise with the use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific trials linking the use of Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the end, you are in charge. Of course the vet can refuse to provide the Winstrol and can decide he/she doesn’t want you for a client, so remain calm and not belligerent if you want to avoid that outcome. I would like to think that most vets, when faced with a logical, measured decision to try a specific course of treatment, would assist even if you don’t have their full support on the chosen treatment. I think that once we have some h
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
Post trimmed. Thank you for writing to me, Amani. I just wrote about my experience with blood donations, but I did want to comment on the paragraph below. Sadly many clients who go to vet clinics do not really love or care about cats other than their own. They will pay huge vet bills to keep their own cats or dogs alive and yet they would not help a stray cat or dog. I have seen so much of this during my long life and it really upsets me. Lorrie On 05-13, Amani Oakley wrote: > Lorrie > > Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it > seems odd to me that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions > (which are pretty high end treatments) and not treat the cats well > because owners who would and could spend that kind of money on > their cats are obviously very very concerned about animal welfare > and would expect and demand a certain level of ethical treatment of > the donor cats. > > I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it > is very expensive and out of the range of what most people can > realistically afford. However, this is why I was so annoyed that no > one told me about the Winstrol, because it probably could have > saved me close to $10,000, not to mention the trauma of a > transfusion on both donor and recipient! > > Amani > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
Ugh! Well maybe armed with a packet from Amani and possibly a new vet... Unfortunately I think you have to have someone call it in for you, and that is the big problem with getting it. I think if I went to my vet with the information and said this is what I need to try and why, she would totally let me do it. After all, we could monitor for results and possible side effects and move to something else if needed. Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > Great idea Rachel. I hope Amani can tell us where to get Winstrol, > as my vet is totally against it. > - > > I got a chuckle out of your idea of becoming a Winstrol drug dealer, > and having Amani defend you! > > Lorrie > > >> On 05-14, Rachel Dagner wrote: >> Good Morning Amani, >> >> I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too! >> >> I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to >> get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was >> thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us >> looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who have >> tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters from vets, >> along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could then send the >> file to people to take with them to their vets. The more vets that try >> it and see results the more likely they are to try it again and share >> their experience with other vets. >> >> My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug >> dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a >> book about it. >> >> Option one sounds a little more promising though. >> >> Rachel > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
Great idea Rachel. I hope Amani can tell us where to get Winstrol, as my vet is totally against it. - I got a chuckle out of your idea of becoming a Winstrol drug dealer, and having Amani defend you! Lorrie On 05-14, Rachel Dagner wrote: >Good Morning Amani, > >I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too! > >I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to >get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was >thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us >looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who have >tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters from vets, >along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could then send the >file to people to take with them to their vets. The more vets that try >it and see results the more likely they are to try it again and share >their experience with other vets. > >My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug >dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a >book about it. > >Option one sounds a little more promising though. > >Rachel > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
Good Morning Amani, I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too! I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who have tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters from vets, along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could then send the file to people to take with them to their vets. The more vets that try it and see results the more likely they are to try it again and share their experience with other vets. My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a book about it. Option one sounds a little more promising though. Rachel Sent from my iPhone > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org