Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye. It is very serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye ointment with steroids. Research it on line, you can find pictures. The eyeball can even become swollen and bulge. It can have a brownish spot on it. Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 positives that have had this and it will clear up with treatment but it can come back. They were put on metacam for the pain and also for the inflamation along with an ointment containing cortisone. It is serious. Follow instructions for how often to do the ointment. Jane - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in the corner of my eye when it itches. My cats eat it all the time so it shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye. would oothe it. Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Bob As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any inflammation and that may help. Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or non-regenerative. At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV virus. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighte
[Felvtalk] tigger
Hi Ardy. I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger has gone to cat heaven. He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of personality and mischevious. I love those kind, they always keep you smiling. You did your best to help him. I had 12 cats diagnosed positive about a year and a half ago and since that time I have lost 7. Two just died in April, one had FIP and the other just layed down and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw signs something was off for about a week. I have 2 more that started problems last week. One is 16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and now is not eating well. She also has a heart condition. I am waiting to see what happens. The other one is not eating much and is not herself. I just had her to the vet 2 weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad. We talked about putting her and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am waiting for the vet to get back to me with his plan. My 13 year old positive has a heart murmur and we are thinking of not putting him on Winstrol because it says to use with caution in cats with heart conditions. His blood work is not too bad either although he has gotten thin even though his appetite is good. And my other positive also has FIV and is starting to have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time. If winstrol increases appetites, that would not be good for him. I did not do blood work on him yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at this time. I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I loose a cat and it makes me feel a little bit better. Makes me smile and cry. I do belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they do. I need to believe this. Jane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
Everyone deserves a chance at life, even if it is short. Thank you for giving thee cats that chance. I hae 3 negative and 1 positive. She has been positive all her life and is a sassy, healthy black cat. All my guys share the house with me and no one has ever turned positive from being around her. simon95 wrote: > Hi Guys I am a member of a no kill shelter. We are in Malta.Europe. All our heathly cat roam free . Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv cats. Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and had Bella also but passed away last October. These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there life maybe cut short. If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Amy Date:16/05/2016 17:31 (GMT+01:00) To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary Lorrie, That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these kitties Let me know! Thanks Amy From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary > >Lorrie, > >Do you have pictures? I would love to see what you've done! > >Kat (Mew Jersey) Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey. I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group, but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you just see a two story brick building not the inside. - It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done. - My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement. Downstairs are 5 rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen, full bathroom and a half bath. The cats have access to every room and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten. They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos. There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look outside. The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and upstairs rooms. The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them. Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Website - Amani thoughts for Winstrol
http://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/weebly-review/ If we do want to create one I think I like this one. (So easy even Amani can use!) It has a free service so you could play around with it risk free. Free services don't come up in search engines but you could always give people the address to find it or upgrade later. The thing I like about this one is that the website is mobile friendly and lord knows how much time we spend on our phones. Plus you can change the template anytime you want, which isn't available with some like Go Daddy. Also if you decide you want to take your site elsewhere you can export all of your data. Some companies don't let you do this and pretty much hold you hostage. Not cool. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2016, at 9:15 PM, kat wrote: > > Hi All, > > Instead of creating another website, why can't we use > http://felineleukemia.org/ > This is the website that our list master, James, created quite a while ago. > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 10:08 PM > From: "Amani Oakley" > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol > Hi Rachel > > > > Truth be told, I would much rather be with my cats than working well into the > night at my office. I am awaiting the arrival of a new baby who I am told is > palliative. She has cancer. I am going to do my best to make her happy and > comfortable, but I have never simply accepted a death sentence so I will see > what I can do when she arrives. > > > > I am looking forward to any feedback on a website where we can gather the > necessary information to help others with FeLV cats. > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner > Sent: May-15-16 11:34 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol > > > > I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a > name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? > > > > Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in > and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours > worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when > you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart > and a beautiful soul. > > > > A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead > of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places > where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one. But I am good > at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Rachel > > > > I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about > 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as > my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t > get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I > don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to > court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the > world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. > Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical > Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to > do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work > all day TOO. > > > > Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it > comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information > about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible > objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop > their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not > being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be > avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol > sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that > when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has > failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, > but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and > gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that > there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try > the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance. > > > > I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of > anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. > Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I > ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonde
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
I keep saying if I win the publisher clearing house sweps, I will make the best rescue home in the world, even dogs . I have even drawn up plans for the buildings and yards. Lorrie wrote: > > HOW WONDERFUL.. > Thanks to all of you who do rescue work. It can be heartbreaking at > times, but it is so rewarding to save cats who are injured, abused or > starving. I wish we could help every cat in the world. > > Lorrie > > On 05-16, simon95 wrote: > >Hi Guys > > > >I am a member of a no kill shelter. > > > >We are in Malta.Europe. > > > >All our heathly cat roam free . > > > >Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv > >cats. > > > >Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and > >had Bella also but passed away last October. > > > >These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there > >life maybe cut short. > > > >If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
RE: UTI I took Harley to vet, but also started adding Bragg's raw vinegar to both of the water fountains. He also had sturvite crystals. Crystals and uti have never come back. Rachel Dagner wrote: > Hi Robert, > > I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having > problems so soon. > > You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need. > > I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes > of those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also > the compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on > here that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the > best option. > > My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But I > can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the > next time. > > As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending hours on line, > researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad > things that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia. So > I have decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is > worth a pound of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find something > to boost the immunity, and I would give it all of the time in sickness and in > health. There are a lot of quality companies out there who sell good products > I use Pet Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another thing I would do is > give my kitty curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter and has many other > health benefits as well. I even read a research document that showed it > helped reduce the occurrence and size of struvite crystals ( which has always > been a concern for me). I read research that shows kitties absorb it better > than humans or dogs so they get even more benefit from it. I am using one > from Tho rn > e Research for pets. The other thing I would do is find something which > protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I have just started > looking into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have found with awesome > results for humans, but I only found one place that mentioned it for cats, > which is not good enough so the search continues. > > As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats. I > am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH > Tripsy and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having > problems you might want to look into a preventative for that as well. > > Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and > neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. > > Rachel > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > > > > I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the > > threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are > > any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you > > administering it > > Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with > > regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more > > popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? > > > > Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( > > other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) > > I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter > > where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in > > isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated > > as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until > > recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic > > URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and > > what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to > > pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as > > I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance > > companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just > > said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple > > Antibiotic Ocular Ointmen t > with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I > think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him > elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go > on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are > privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very > discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been > reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures > to ke
Re: [Felvtalk] Website - Amani thoughts for Winstrol
Hi All, Instead of creating another website, why can't we use http://felineleukemia.org/ This is the website that our list master, James, created quite a while ago. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 10:08 PM From: "Amani Oakley" To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol Hi Rachel Truth be told, I would much rather be with my cats than working well into the night at my office. I am awaiting the arrival of a new baby who I am told is palliative. She has cancer. I am going to do my best to make her happy and comfortable, but I have never simply accepted a death sentence so I will see what I can do when she arrives. I am looking forward to any feedback on a website where we can gather the necessary information to help others with FeLV cats. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-15-16 11:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul. A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one. But I am good at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakleywrote: Hi Rachel I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO. Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance. I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is no way to convince someone who insists on not
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in the corner of my eye when it itches. My cats eat it all the time so it shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye. would oothe it. Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Bob > > As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only > suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's > eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but > it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect > contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes > with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often > helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this > with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. > > If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and > there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce > any inflammation and that may help. > > Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of > sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the > Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not > all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be > done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or > non-regenerative. > > At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral > reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV > virus. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > > I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the > threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any > of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you > administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from > vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of > the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? > > Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( > other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) > I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter > where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in > isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as > one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until > recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic > URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what > appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay > for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I > might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance > companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just > said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic > Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). > Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have > to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx > suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and > only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little > as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with > FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to > employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY > discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than > they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would > have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell > if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood work done to > get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red > and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not > severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in his > eye. also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several times > during the day... Any thoughts welcome... > > Bob > Warwick NY > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Hi Bob As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any inflammation and that may help. Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or non-regenerative. At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV virus. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in his eye. also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts welcome... Bob Warwick NY On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Amani thoughts for Winstrol (dlg...@windstream.net) >2. Re: Koko
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Hi Robert, I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having problems so soon. You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need. I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes of those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also the compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on here that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the best option. My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But I can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the next time. As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending hours on line, researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad things that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia. So I have decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find something to boost the immunity, and I would give it all of the time in sickness and in health. There are a lot of quality companies out there who sell good products I use Pet Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another thing I would do is give my kitty curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter and has many other health benefits as well. I even read a research document that showed it helped reduce the occurrence and size of struvite crystals ( which has always been a concern for me). I read research that shows kitties absorb it better than humans or dogs so they get even more benefit from it. I am using one from Thorn e Research for pets. The other thing I would do is find something which protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I have just started looking into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have found with awesome results for humans, but I only found one place that mentioned it for cats, which is not good enough so the search continues. As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats. I am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH Tripsy and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having problems you might want to look into a preventative for that as well. Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. Rachel Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the > threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any > of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you > administering it > Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard > to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular > anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? > > Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( > other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) > I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter > where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in > isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as > one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until > recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic > URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what > appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay > for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I > might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance > companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just > said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic > Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain..Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC'
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
HOW WONDERFUL.. Thanks to all of you who do rescue work. It can be heartbreaking at times, but it is so rewarding to save cats who are injured, abused or starving. I wish we could help every cat in the world. Lorrie On 05-16, simon95 wrote: >Hi Guys > >I am a member of a no kill shelter. > >We are in Malta.Europe. > >All our heathly cat roam free . > >Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv >cats. > >Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and >had Bella also but passed away last October. > >These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there >life maybe cut short. > >If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
My vet never tried to talk me into euthanizing a FelV cat either. On 05-16, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > GOOD VET! > > Rachel Dagner wrote: > > When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his > > leg and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out > > he didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots > > she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go > > outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive :(. > > She told me he could live three months or a long normal life > > there was just no telling. She never even said the word > > euthanize. > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Hi Robert Yes - I have been posting for some time regarding the Winstrol/Doxy combination, and I have already stated that it is my belief that the reason that the vets (and human doctors) are so negative about Winstrol is that it is associated with doping scandals in sports. It's beyond stupid, in my view. All kinds of medication can be abused, but at the rate that athletes use Winstrol, they would have to take 100 or 1000 2 mg tablets EVERY DAY, because they use it at 1000 times doses recommended for human use. And by the way, they are pretty much fine, even at those doses. If you do the research, you will find what I have found - there are no credible scientific findings linking use of Winstrol in athletes - even at those levels - with heart disease, liver disease, or even "roid rage", for goodness sakes. This is one of the reasons athletes stopped listening to the medical/scientific community about the dangers of performance-enhancing steroids. The athletes are taking them at levels at astronomically high levels and they should be quite dead if they were that dangerous. They continue to take them because they DO enhance strength, muscle, endurance, etc. There are some side effects like light facial hair growth, etc., but nothing like the scare-mongering you hear from the medical and scientific communities. And so, our cats are being denied these effective anabolic steroids like Winstrol because Canadian Ben Johnson was stripped of his Olympic Gold Medal in the 1988 Summer Olympics for testing positive for it! When my mom was deteriorating badly from cancer, again my research showed that Winstrol can build muscle mass, increase appetite, increase red cell production (she was very anemic), and the palliative doctor said, "That's the Ben Johnson steroid." He then went on to say that as a palliative doctor, his job was to neither hasten death nor to slow it down, and giving my mom Winstrol would slow it down. You'd think that would be a good thing, but apparently not. Scientists won't research it for the same reason. It is just the most bizarre situation, when the alternative is death. I can tell you that my experience with Winstrol is what really opened my eyes to the fact that we are naïve to believe that when we get sick (or our cats do), that the doctors/vets know all the credible available options and will let you know of them so you can make an informed choice. With my cat, I stumbled onto the use of Winstrol after trying interferon, LTCI, blood transfusions - all of which cost me more than $10,000. Winstrol costs very very little and was much more effective than all the other treatments I had attempted. My cat was dying, I was out of options and yet no one told me about Winstrol. When I tried the Winstrol (which I had in my cupboard for years for another cat) and got the great response that I did, I thought I had "discovered" a new use for it. I then told the internal medicine specialist who had basically told me that there were no more options for Zander, he told me that I had gone "old school", and they used to use Winstrol years before but stopped when it was believed that it caused liver damage. No one had looked again at it after the Ben Johnson scandal. I have used it for cats with FIP, with a spinal lesion, with nasal sarcoma (in a 16 year old cat), ligament injury in the knee which required surgery (but didn’t after use of the Winstrol) and now I am using it on a cat with puffy pads (pillow pads) which I just discovered was due to a proliferation of plasma cells, probably related to either a FeLV or a FIP infection. The only circumstance I have used it where it didn’t help me at all was in a cat with renal failure and after her death, I figured out that she had probably contracted feline morbillivirus from the vet clinic, which caused tubulointerstitial nephritis. (I knew it was something infectious because two of my cats came down with a serious illness after I had taken both in at the same time to the vets. One pulled through. One rallied for a while and I thought we had beaten whatever it was, but she got sick again and we discovered her creatinine was sky high and she died despite everything we tried.) Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( other than the fr
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
Hi Guys I am a member of a no kill shelter. We are in Malta.Europe. All our heathly cat roam free . Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv cats. Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and had Bella also but passed away last October. These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there life maybe cut short. If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Amy Date:16/05/2016 17:31 (GMT+01:00) To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary Lorrie, That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these kitties Let me know! Thanks Amy From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary > >Lorrie, > >Do you have pictures? I would love to see what you've done! > >Kat (Mew Jersey) Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey. I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group, but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you just see a two story brick building not the inside. - It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done. - My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement. Downstairs are 5 rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen, full bathroom and a half bath. The cats have access to every room and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten. They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos. There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look outside. The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and upstairs rooms. The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them. Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in his eye. also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts welcome... Bob Warwick NY On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Amani thoughts for Winstrol (dlg...@windstream.net) 2. Re: Kokonut Felv+ (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: Cat Sanctuary (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500 From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol Message-ID: <20160516115523.U40WC.1807.root@pamxwww03-z01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 GOOD VET! Rachel Dagner wrote: When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal life there was just no telling. She never even said the word euthanize. Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM, wrote: I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, treat her and hope. I would have walked out the door and never returned if he only had one solution. Find another vet. Ardy Robertson wrote: Hello, If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing! I said ?no?! If there was a web
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET PEOPLE TO NEUTER AND SPAY, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO STRAYS. Amy wrote: > Lorrie, > That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill > rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for > them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have > positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV > positives at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free > and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in > often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do > get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 > or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they > aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in > have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options on the > rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests positive on > both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these kitties > Let me know!Thanks Amy > > From: Lorrie > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary > > > > > Lorrie, > > > > Do you have pictures? I would love to see what you've done! > > > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey. > > > I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot > next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a > big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group, > but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you > just see a two story brick building not the inside. > - > > It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't > get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done. > - > > My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement. Downstairs are 5 > rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or > isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen, > full bathroom and a half bath. The cats have access to every room > and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten. > They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos. > There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look > outside. > > > The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and > upstairs rooms. The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young > cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them. > Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat > beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the > walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. > > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
RE: stool, I give my guys about 1/4 teaspoon coconut oil every day. They ask for it. I don't have as much problem with hairballs since we started this. Amani Oakley wrote: > Olivia > > It is a slow process. Once you get a bit of food into Kokonuts, she will > hopefully start feeling better. Keep feeding her small amounts at multiple > times of the day, if you can. Ask the vet to give her subcutaneous fluids or > to show you how to do it at home (t is pretty easy). She is probably > dehydrated as well as not eating well. Good for you to get the Pedialyte into > her - that is exactly what she needs - electrolytes - but with subcutaneous > fluids, there is a much faster uptake of the fluids, body-wide, then if it is > given orally. > > See if her stool is coming out regularly. If not, consider asking the vet for > Metoclopromide. As I mentioned in another post, FeLV often negatively impacts > the intestinal tract and causes the stool to slow down. The Metoclopromide > helps to empty the stomach and increases peristaltic action which moves the > stool along and this makes the cat feel a bit better after a meal. > > I strongly suggest the Winstrol if nothing else but to increase appetite and > feeling better. That boost alone will go miles to helping your cat fight this > battle. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of . . > Sent: May-15-16 12:46 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+ > > How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a cat to > feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner wrote: > > > > Hi Olivia, > > > > So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important > > are you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in > > and this is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to > > get fluids under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to > > do it. My thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget > > that we also need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is > > felv which causes a poor immune system. > > I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you > > are syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe > > Tucker a tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My > > suggestion would be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold > > immunity. It equals out to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I > > would do Vitality Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies > > offer a ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on > > products look and the ingredients and find something you feel comfortable > > with. I would give supplements not only while sick but as a maintenance to > > keep my kitties immune system strong, and fighting. I hope kokonut feels > > better soon and starts eating on her own. Keep us posted! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM, > >> wrote: > >> > >> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it. > >> > >> Miss Olivia Valencia wrote: > >>> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had > >>> a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & > >>> depo medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating > >>> & just been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My > >>> sister has been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some > >>> pedialyte. Any other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating? frown > >>> emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected? > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
GOOD VET! Rachel Dagner wrote: > When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I > took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots > for six months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine > because I used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came > back positive :(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal > life there was just no telling. She never even said the word euthanize. Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM, > wrote: > > I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, > treat her and hope. I would have walked out the door and never returned if > he only had one solution. Find another vet. > > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> Hello, >> >> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, >> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are >> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no >> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my >> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing! I said “no”! If >> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV >> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and >> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets >> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time >> was slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t >> really explain anything about the blood test results. I basically had to >> learn everything from reading online. For instance I did not know that >> stress can bring on a crisis. We had brought a stray into our house, and >> she was running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that >> was high. I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus >> spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of >> age because their immune system can usually defend them from it. That is >> also how I found this group online. >> >> >> >> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone >> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on >> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also >> known as Stanozolol. I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to >> ship into the US. I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. >> Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any >> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do >> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a >> loving cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online >> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat >> owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I >> hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents. >> >> >> >> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s >> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we >> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and >> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the >> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had >> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I >> could be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the >> cat, waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops >> up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through >> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly >> for very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Rachel Dagner >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol >> >> >> >> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a >> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? >> >> >> >> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in >> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours >> worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when >> you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge >> heart and a beautiful soul. >> >> >> >> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information >> instead of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there >> are places where you can do free websites.
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
Lorrie, That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these kitties Let me know!Thanks Amy From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary > > Lorrie, > > Do you have pictures? I would love to see what you've done! > > Kat (Mew Jersey) Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey. I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group, but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you just see a two story brick building not the inside. - It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done. - My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement. Downstairs are 5 rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen, full bathroom and a half bath. The cats have access to every room and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten. They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos. There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look outside. The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and upstairs rooms. The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them. Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org