Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis

2016-06-06 Thread Ardy Robertson 
On a side note, even though one would certainly never ever want to see  kitty 
be blind, we had my dad's cat after my parents passed away, and she lived to be 
19. Dodsie went blind about the last two years of her life -- completely blind. 
But for some reason it did not hinder her. She adapted. We did not really even 
notice anything other than she went up and down the steps on the far right 
side, so she nearly touched the wall as she went. Then she mostly stayed near 
the outside wall of the room. I would put her kitty beds touching the wall 
where she felt comfortable. She found her dishes because they were where they 
always were. She continued to interact with us as if nothing had happened. She 
came when we called her and would lay on our laps and purr etc. As long as she 
was not in pain, we just let her be. We had another cat (that we still have - 
Peekers) and she was young at that time, and they interacted as if nothing was 
wrong. Then one day in 2005 she just went to sleep peacefully.

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Amani, I am glad we hae you in the group!


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Bob, I’d be giving the cortisone treatment a try, but because this problem is 
> caused by the FeLV virus, you really have to go after the virus itself. 
> Trying to fight the battle to save the eyes on their own, won’t be enough 
> while the virus is still attacking the body. Try the Winstrol with prednisone 
> and doxycycline, along with the corticol topical treatment.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: May-27-16 11:31 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis
> 
> Wonder if anyone has has any success with treating Uveitis in FeLV cats.  
> I've had my 10 mo. old guy to two different Vets...One prescribed tribple ABX 
> with Corticosteroid which had no appreciable effect the other vet 
> counseled against using Cortisones due to the risk of Corneal Ulcers 
> Without treatment my guy is now losing his vision...he has blood in the 
> Anterior Chamber in both eyes and Lens clouding in the right eye.  It is 
> getting VERY troubling when I get different opinions about something so 
> important  I'm having rather a difficult time sitting by and letting my 
> guy go blind. The Literature all points to Corticosteroid Drops as the 
> first line treatment  but this is for the disease as it affects so called 
> " normal " cats.Which is the lesser of evils with Cortisone Tx in 
> this case..??
> 
> Currently following Amani's suggestion from a while ago and rinsing his eyes 
> a few times a day with Contact Lens Solution to keep them from Gunking up 
> but.  He IS losing and none of the vets appear at all inclined to do 
> further testing.   Again  it's like they are saying " Oh isn't it 
> nice that you want to save this sweet FeLV Kitty but, really, don't try TOO 
> hard"
> 
> Bob
> Warwick NY


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Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis

2016-06-06 Thread dlgegg 
Actually, I am glad for so many knowledgeable people in this group who seem to 
know more than most vets around the country.  

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Bob, I’d be giving the cortisone treatment a try, but because this problem is 
> caused by the FeLV virus, you really have to go after the virus itself. 
> Trying to fight the battle to save the eyes on their own, won’t be enough 
> while the virus is still attacking the body. Try the Winstrol with prednisone 
> and doxycycline, along with the corticol topical treatment.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: May-27-16 11:31 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis
> 
> Wonder if anyone has has any success with treating Uveitis in FeLV cats.  
> I've had my 10 mo. old guy to two different Vets...One prescribed tribple ABX 
> with Corticosteroid which had no appreciable effect the other vet 
> counseled against using Cortisones due to the risk of Corneal Ulcers 
> Without treatment my guy is now losing his vision...he has blood in the 
> Anterior Chamber in both eyes and Lens clouding in the right eye.  It is 
> getting VERY troubling when I get different opinions about something so 
> important  I'm having rather a difficult time sitting by and letting my 
> guy go blind. The Literature all points to Corticosteroid Drops as the 
> first line treatment  but this is for the disease as it affects so called 
> " normal " cats.Which is the lesser of evils with Cortisone Tx in 
> this case..??
> 
> Currently following Amani's suggestion from a while ago and rinsing his eyes 
> a few times a day with Contact Lens Solution to keep them from Gunking up 
> but.  He IS losing and none of the vets appear at all inclined to do 
> further testing.   Again  it's like they are saying " Oh isn't it 
> nice that you want to save this sweet FeLV Kitty but, really, don't try TOO 
> hard"
> 
> Bob
> Warwick NY


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Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis

2016-06-06 Thread dlgegg 
Amani, I am glad we hae you in the group!


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Bob, I’d be giving the cortisone treatment a try, but because this problem is 
> caused by the FeLV virus, you really have to go after the virus itself. 
> Trying to fight the battle to save the eyes on their own, won’t be enough 
> while the virus is still attacking the body. Try the Winstrol with prednisone 
> and doxycycline, along with the corticol topical treatment.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: May-27-16 11:31 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis
> 
> Wonder if anyone has has any success with treating Uveitis in FeLV cats.  
> I've had my 10 mo. old guy to two different Vets...One prescribed tribple ABX 
> with Corticosteroid which had no appreciable effect the other vet 
> counseled against using Cortisones due to the risk of Corneal Ulcers 
> Without treatment my guy is now losing his vision...he has blood in the 
> Anterior Chamber in both eyes and Lens clouding in the right eye.  It is 
> getting VERY troubling when I get different opinions about something so 
> important  I'm having rather a difficult time sitting by and letting my 
> guy go blind. The Literature all points to Corticosteroid Drops as the 
> first line treatment  but this is for the disease as it affects so called 
> " normal " cats.Which is the lesser of evils with Cortisone Tx in 
> this case..??
> 
> Currently following Amani's suggestion from a while ago and rinsing his eyes 
> a few times a day with Contact Lens Solution to keep them from Gunking up 
> but.  He IS losing and none of the vets appear at all inclined to do 
> further testing.   Again  it's like they are saying " Oh isn't it 
> nice that you want to save this sweet FeLV Kitty but, really, don't try TOO 
> hard"
> 
> Bob
> Warwick NY


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Re: [Felvtalk] A good vet is hard to find . . .

2016-06-06 Thread dlgegg 
h I continued to run weekly) showed his haematology 
> > results to be perfectly normal, and every time I tried to wean him 
> > down, his lab results would drop again. However, after a year, I did 
> > wean him to lower levels, but I watched him like a hawk and any signs 
> > of paler than normal gums or paw pads, and I would give him a 6 to 8 
> > week stint of Winstrol at the 1 mg x2 days or even down to 1 mg a day
> > 
> > Be forewarned that your vet, if he has heard of Winstrol, will tell 
> > you that it causes liver damage. In my experience, the liver enzymes 
> > often do rise, but will fall back into the normal range once the 
> > Winstrol is discontinued. As far as I am able to tell, there is no 
> > lasting damage, and despite the fact that I have spent literally 
> > hundreds of hours on the internet researching this drug (for both 
> > humans and animals) I am unable to find any true, 
> > scientifically-established link to any actual liver damage. (Website 
> > after website recites that it is known to cause or may cause liver 
> > damage, but none of them have any scientific references or even case 
> > studies to back up this claim.) For your cats, if they are not 
> > exhibiting any symptoms, this may be more of an issue for you to 
> > consider. Most of us in this group, have had cats in desperate 
> > situations when we looked for something like Winstrol, so obviously, a 
> > risk of liver issues was a completely acceptable risk. However, I am 
> > pr
>  et
> > ty confident that the risk of liver problems is an extremely inflated and 
> > unsubstantiated threat.
> > 
> > If you do decide to go this route, your vet needs to get the Winstrol from 
> > a compounding pharmacy, but unlike the other options out there like 
> > Interferon and LTCI, (which are pretty expensive) Winstrol is not ? maybe a 
> > $1 a pill or something like that ? I can?t remember for sure.
> > 
> > However, this is just my opinion and experience. Zander lived 6 years after 
> > his ?crash? and after the vets told me there was nothing to do for him but 
> > put him down. From reading the emails of others in this group, there are 
> > some who have had good experiences with Interferon and LTCI. I recently 
> > learned that there are four subgroups of the virus that causes FeLV and 
> > thus, this may explain why different people have different experiences with 
> > these medications. However, in my book, if I had the opportunity to do 
> > things again, I would have started Zander on Winstrol as soon as he was 
> > diagnosed with FeLV and when he had the first minor problem show itself. 
> > Winstrol, as an anabolic steroid, strengthens body (muscle and promotes 
> > bone growth, etc), enhances appetite and a sense of energy and well-being, 
> > so I think it is a good support for the system stressed by the FeLV virus 
> > in any event.
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> > Of Realissa Dekraunti
> > Sent: June-05-16 8:51 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] both of my cats are FELV positive. What to do now?
> > 
> > Hi everybody. Thank you for accepting me in this group.  I am just too 
> > devastated to think straight. I rescued two cats in October and I found out 
> > two days ago that they are both Felv positive. We did an Elisa test on 
> > Thursday, and it came back positive, and an IFA that confirmed the positive 
> > results. I live in LA and I don't know what to do, where to go, if there is 
> > alternative medicine. I love these two cats more than I could ever imagine 
> > and it is breaking my heart. Any input, help, direction you could give me, 
> > would be incredibly appreciated. They are FIV negative but FELV positive. I 
> > have heard there is a medicine called LTCI but that it is very expensive. I 
> > am also heard of Virbagen Omega, L Lysin, Interfone. There is so much info 
> > that I am overwhelmed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] A good vet is hard to find . . .

2016-06-06 Thread Amani Oakley 
If it is an herbal supplement, don't put all your eggs in that basket. You can 
give it to your cats, but my suggestion then remains regarding the rest of the 
medications they need.

Amani

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Sent: June-06-16 1:39 PM
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I never heard of Felimm either, so I looked it up just now.  It's an herbal 
supplement.  Here's the page that lists ingredients:

http://www.nhvnaturalpetproducts.com/Products/FELIMM-for-feline-leukemia.aspx

Marsha


On 6/6/2016 12:13 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
> I'm sorry that I am not familiar with NHV felimm, and I don't recall anyone 
> else in this group ever mentioning it either. See what you can discover on 
> line. See if there are any scientific papers that indicate it is effective.
>
> Amani


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Re: [Felvtalk] SC woman

2016-06-06 Thread dlgegg 
Right now, I aqm out of funds after a new roof and a broken arm with tons of 
medical bills.  I also support my own 4 furballs.

 bcha...@optonline.net wrote: 
> Amani
> I wholly understand your position.  Years ago in my first and longest 
> profession(psychotherapy ) I became more than a little disenchanted with the 
> number of patients who had no real intention of seriously working to change.  
> Every now and again I would devote myself to a patient widely regarded as 
> "impossible" by colleagues who I felt held promise because I simply NEEDED to 
> believe that I could ,somewhere, make an appreciable difference.   I actually 
> ran about 50/50. Not bad on balance :  )
> If it comes down to needing transport for these animals to an accepting 
> facility I could contribute to the actual driving but I am ,without doubt , 
> tapped out fiscally. I realize this might not be much help but it's what I 
> can offer.   I do a fair amount of transport to and from vets and spay and 
> neuter clinics for my local shelter but,again, that is on their dime with me 
> providing the " physical" aspect.
> Has the situation changed.?   I don't think I missed any mail about this


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Re: [Felvtalk] SC woman

2016-06-06 Thread dlgegg 
NO TRUER WORDS WERE EVER SPOKEN.


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> “Pessimism becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. It reproduces itself by 
> crippling our willingness to act.”
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: June-04-16 9:26 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SC woman
> 
> 
> Bob,
>   Please don't think I'm doubting you. I do think we need to be sure, 
> but I don't know quite how to do that. My issues with transporting are more 
> the practical aspects. IF a home that will take 5 cats and a dog can be 
> found, then you have to get them there. That's costly, and somewhat 
> complicated. If you have a private individual who is known to the people 
> involved, great. But if you want to use a "service", I can give you an idea 
> of cost for 1 puppy from south-central  FL to SC. I adopted a puppy from a 
> shelter. He was fostered for me by a good friend, and was supposed to join a 
> rescue transport bound for NC. Cost would have been about $100 for that, 
> which was fine. But I became uncomfortable with the logistics. So I looked 
> into paid transport. My 25 pound 5 month old puppy would run me $250 to $800, 
> depending on the "amenities" I wanted, how many were traveling and how many 
> stops. So kind of cost prohibitive, as you'd have to pay for them in foster 
> (I guess), vaccines/health certificate for transport and transport both ways.
> 
> And yes, I have doubts and questions, too. Years in rescue have shown me that 
> nothing is ever quite the way it seems. But I'm getting old, and I now figure 
> I'd rather be wrong and scammed than not help when I could possibly make a 
> difference. I'm looking for someone in the area who might go hands-on, but no 
> luck so far.
> 
> Margo
> -Original Message-
> From: ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Jun 4, 2016 1:57 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SC woman
> 
> All:
> Certainly understand why you would want to keep her cats down there...
> My concern is that if this woman does not get the care SHE needs there will 
> BE no
> Caretaker for these animals  AND...who is going to take care of her 
> animals
> if/when she does get the lung transplants.  Various list members have 
> repeatedly
> said that there ARE no services she can turn to in the South  Is her son 
> going to be able
> to look after the cats...
> You all are very kind.   Guess too many years as a Social Worker has made 
> me a bit more wary.
> Many questions after reading her GoFundme profile...


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Re: [Felvtalk] A good vet is hard to find . . .

2016-06-06 Thread Marsha 
I never heard of Felimm either, so I looked it up just now.  It's an 
herbal supplement.  Here's the page that lists ingredients:


http://www.nhvnaturalpetproducts.com/Products/FELIMM-for-feline-leukemia.aspx

Marsha


On 6/6/2016 12:13 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

I'm sorry that I am not familiar with NHV felimm, and I don't recall anyone 
else in this group ever mentioning it either. See what you can discover on 
line. See if there are any scientific papers that indicate it is effective.

Amani



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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 19

2016-06-06 Thread Realissa Dekraunti 
d I found out 
> two days ago that they are both Felv positive. We did an Elisa test on 
> Thursday, and it came back positive, and an IFA that confirmed the positive 
> results. I live in LA and I don't know what to do, where to go, if there is 
> alternative medicine. I love these two cats more than I could ever imagine 
> and it is breaking my heart. Any input, help, direction you could give me, 
> would be incredibly appreciated. They are FIV negative but FELV positive. I 
> have heard there is a medicine called LTCI but that it is very expensive. I 
> am also heard of Virbagen Omega, L Lysin, Interfone. There is so much info 
> that I am overwhelmed.
> 
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