Re: [Felvtalk] Different types of FeLV

[Terri Brown]

I think she may have meant the FIV vaccine.  FIV vaccines will cause the cat to 
always test positive.  That is not the case with the FeLV vaccine.
Killed virus FeLV vaccine is safe.
(The lurker comes out of the shadows for this one)

=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:06:27 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" 
To: "'Margo'" ,

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Yes - she said because after they receive the FeLV vaccination, they always
test positive for FeLV. I did not know if this was true or not. She seemed
like she knew what she was talking about - she knows a lot about animal
nutrition etc. but of course is not a vet or anything.

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


 Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the 
FeLV vaccine is not a good idea.

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
compromised immune system?


My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my 
old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are 
not fully developed.


Lorrie

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:09:39 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" 
To: "'Margo'" ,
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
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I know... I could not believe that she told me that. And yes, her dogs
are in contact with the dogs that go to her classes and also to her doggie
day care. Maybe she had to get them vaccinated when she went on her own and
opened her own business but when she worked at a different one, they were
not vaccinated. Yes, I agree she could get in trouble too - and yet, I see
her point too.

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


I have fed raw, but don't currently.

If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he should
be careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It only
takes one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, and
she could be in deep doo-doo. 

It is possible in some states to get a "waiver" allowing a cat to not be
vaccinated for health reasons, but the cat/dog is treated as unvaccinated
and subjected to the same conditions as an unvaccinated animal.

It's a choice, but needs to be made with care. 

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but 
not for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies 
vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not 
vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be 
spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.

I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care 
and training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not 
have them vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with 
it, but she believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an 
advocate for feeding raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.

Thank you,
Ardy Robertson, Clerk
Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
N14438 Valleybrook Ln
Osseo  WI  54758
715-533-0661



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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Ardy Robertson]

Rachel – you sound like you are going through a lot of the feelings I had after 
Tigger passed away. I quite accidentally looked over at the kitties in PetSmart 
– I was NOT going to look at them that day. But Topaz looks very similar to 
Tigger even though she is a girl and Tigg was a boy. That somehow is comforting 
– even though I am determined to not compare the two of them. I even had GUILT 
about liking Topaz. But I did feel like I had to get her out of that glass 
enclosure, and heck – I have a big house, what’s wrong with bringing one home. 
You will know if it is okay to help out another kitty…….Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 8:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

 

I picked up Tucker’s ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn’t know if 
it would make me feel better or worse. I haven’t eaten since Sunday my appetite 
is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a couple protein shakes. My eyes 
are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone who has the misfortune of looking at me, 
or being around me for that matter. Well, I of course cried all of the way to 
the vets, and all the way home. But then I curled up in bed with my little box 
of Tucker, and I actually did feel a little more at peace. I laid there with 
him and went through my pictures again and talked to him about all of my 
feelings and my love for him, about our memories and how much I miss him. 

 

I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet finder, they 
test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don’t. I know that there is no 
sure thing with testing, and I wouldn’t trade my time with Tucker for anything 
in the world. I just know that emotionally and financially I am not ready for 
FELV again right now. If it happens, just like with any illness, then I deal 
with it, because that is what you do.  I am going to Petsmart over in Tampa on 
Sunday to meet their kitties, I have no idea if I will be ready, or if this is 
what I desperately need to do to help me heal, but it won’t hurt to go meet 
them and see how my heart feels. One of the greatest gifts Tucker gave me is 
that “no cats” Harry, when I showed him a pictures of a kitty on Pet finder he 
said  “Is that the one you want to get?” So I know now that I will never again 
have to live without the feel of that soft fur on my face or the heart melting 
sound of purring in my ear. It is so hard because I am scared to get one, and I 
am scared not to. I guess we will see what happens…

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

 

I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your fur-baby. 
The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even though I said I 
would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my heart, but Topaz is 
easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had with Tigger or like you 
had with Tucker, but I figured that was not a reason to not try again, and with 
all the little homeless kitties, I think Tigger would have wanted me to help 
another kitty. Certainly take your time, but I hope you can open your heart 
again at some point.

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

 

Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard for 
me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of my 
adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and imagined him 
that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I only had him for 
a year and a half. In that time we went through so much. Emergency vet visits, 
surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world though. He touched my life 
and heart so much. I opted for a private cremation, so I can keep him close to 
me always. I was the one person in his life that he loved and adored more than 
anything, and he never doubted my love for him.  

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K. mailto:kaths...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories you 
shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for you. 

 

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:

I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.

Ardy

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 ] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
To: felvtalk@fe

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

Yes – I know. When we moved to our new home 14 years ago, Scotchie got out and 
was gone for two days, right after I had him vaccinated for rabies – I think he 
was mad at me for taking him in. I took off work and searched for him from 
morning to night. I finally found him on the second day and he was in some 
bushes and would not come to me. He was acting weird. I went into the bushes 
and got him and he was scared of me…and he hung on tight with his claws, 
drawing some blood. He died a couple days later, and the vet asked if he 
scratched me and I said yes. So they insisted on doing a test on his head for 
$100 to see if he had rabies. They wanted to do a complete autopsy for $700 and 
I said no – he was already gone. He had stopped eating/drinking right after the 
rabies shot, and they gave him sub-q fluids and put him on some pills that I 
found out later can cause convulsions in puppies. He had convulsions and yet 
they did not think it was from the pills.

 

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 



Sorry, I KNOW I'm sounding very PRO vaccine, but I'm not. I've just seen the 
consequences of not vaccinating. And with rabies, it isn't just that the 
critter can get sick and die from something preventable. There's still PLENTY 
of rabies in wildlife, and wildlife is closer to us that ever, especially the 
most important vectors, being skunks and raccoons. Raccoons often occupy 
attics. Skunks cn take up residence under porches.

I worked at an Animal Control facility. Just quickly, animals get out. There 
are fires, and disasters. Sometimes when an animal has to be caught, a human 
may be scratched or bitten. Quarantine isn't always an option, and if the anial 
has injured someone, and that someone requests it, the animal MUST be tested.



-Original Message- 
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:18 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv 




Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only 
except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a 
mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses 
that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after 
a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something 
called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they 
need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? 
Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. :( Horrible. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t 
determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say 
about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of 
all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them 
against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, 
being they have a compromised immune system? 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

I know... I could not believe that she told me that. And yes, her dogs
are in contact with the dogs that go to her classes and also to her doggie
day care. Maybe she had to get them vaccinated when she went on her own and
opened her own business but when she worked at a different one, they were
not vaccinated. Yes, I agree she could get in trouble too - and yet, I see
her point too.

Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


I have fed raw, but don't currently.

If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he should
be careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It only
takes one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, and
she could be in deep doo-doo. 

It is possible in some states to get a "waiver" allowing a cat to not be
vaccinated for health reasons, but the cat/dog is treated as unvaccinated
and subjected to the same conditions as an unvaccinated animal.

It's a choice, but needs to be made with care. 

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson 
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:16 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but 
>not for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies 
>vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not 
>vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be 
>spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
>And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
>
>I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care 
>and training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not 
>have them vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with 
>it, but she believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an 
>advocate for feeding raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.
>
>Thank you,
>Ardy Robertson, Clerk
>Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
>N14438 Valleybrook Ln
>Osseo  WI  54758
>715-533-0661
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Rachel Dagner
>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 
>and she has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year 
>rabies shot she got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her 
>hip and rib cage that is still there, they said it is nothing to worry 
>about, but I do not think I will get the rabies vaccine for her again. 
>I pray that they are right and the bump is nothing and will eventually go
away.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Lorrie
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>compromised immune system?
>-
>
>My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my 
>old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
>positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>-
>
>It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are 
>not fully developed.
>
>
>Lorrie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

Yes - she said because after they receive the FeLV vaccination, they always
test positive for FeLV. I did not know if this was true or not. She seemed
like she knew what she was talking about - she knows a lot about animal
nutrition etc. but of course is not a vet or anything.

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson 
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the 
>FeLV vaccine is not a good idea.
>
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Lorrie
>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>compromised immune system?
>-
> 
>My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my 
>old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
>positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>-
>
>It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are 
>not fully developed.
>
>
>Lorrie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

[dlgegg]

I used to caccinate until one of my cats had a very bad reaction.  We do not 
have much exposure to other animals and so I do not see the need for vaccines.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your
> cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some
> oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending
> your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and
> supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that
> of your animals.
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
> *ROBERT CHAPEL
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...
> 
> 
> 
> I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her
> pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to "
> all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard
> understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I am
> not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is
> BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual
> MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and
> who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the
> conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of saying that " The
> Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding
> these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with
> their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are
> given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know
> what they are talking about" : )We run that risk here as well Vets
> are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in
> the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group
> practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their
> decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO
> important to NOT run from Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust
> and stay with them!!  Same with MD's  Even if they are under pressure
> to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to
> count for "something" over time and modify their approach.  Most
> importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about
> your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate
> the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not
> paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached
> a different conclusion   The Vet I saw the other day who really did
> give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but
> was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly
> 
> ( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to
> prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house
> ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)
> 
> The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same
> profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more
> cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure
> Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that
> were responsible for my guys improvement..   Who is the better vet??
> I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to
> develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I
> find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( BTWEACH one of the
> Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..
> 
> Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...
> The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and
> we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can
> be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different
> than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you
> ask for a "half pound"..  I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at
> this dilution of the meaning of professional.  Now we really DO have to
> keep both eyes open
> 
> until we know our " professional" well.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

[dlgegg]

AMEN!!

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your
> cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some
> oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending
> your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and
> supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that
> of your animals.
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
> *ROBERT CHAPEL
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...
> 
> 
> 
> I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her
> pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to "
> all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard
> understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I am
> not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is
> BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual
> MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and
> who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the
> conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of saying that " The
> Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding
> these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with
> their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are
> given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know
> what they are talking about" : )We run that risk here as well Vets
> are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in
> the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group
> practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their
> decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO
> important to NOT run from Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust
> and stay with them!!  Same with MD's  Even if they are under pressure
> to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to
> count for "something" over time and modify their approach.  Most
> importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about
> your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate
> the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not
> paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached
> a different conclusion   The Vet I saw the other day who really did
> give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but
> was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly
> 
> ( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to
> prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house
> ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)
> 
> The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same
> profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more
> cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure
> Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that
> were responsible for my guys improvement..   Who is the better vet??
> I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to
> develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I
> find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( BTWEACH one of the
> Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..
> 
> Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...
> The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and
> we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can
> be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different
> than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you
> ask for a "half pound"..  I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at
> this dilution of the meaning of professional.  Now we really DO have to
> keep both eyes open
> 
> until we know our " professional" well.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[dlgegg]

I know, older cats are great have a lot of love to give and given care, can 
live to 19 or more.  Give them a chance.

 Margo  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Lorrie gives you very good advice. And many rescues, and even shelters will 
> let an older cat go on a trial basis. They will sometimes go a bit farther 
> for an older cat, knowing there are few options. Most potential adopters want 
> kittens. If you are very strong, consider a senior cat. They have often been 
> loved all their lives, and when their own person dies or goes into care, for 
> some reason there is no longer a place for them. Many have 6-8 good years 
> left, but that is a tough choice knowing time is limited.
> 
> Whatever your choice, thank you for giving another cat a soft, safe place to 
> fall... 
> 
> :)
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Lorrie 
> >Sent: Jun 9, 2016 10:47 AM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
> >
> >Rachel,
> >
> >You will never forget Tucker, and a new cat will not replace Tucker,
> >but it will soon make it's own place in your heart.
> >-
> >
> >I cannot imagine not having a cat to love, when I lose one. There are
> >so many wonderful, loving cats who desperately need a home, and if I
> >may offer a bit of advise from an old lady If you want to be
> >sure of a very affectionate, loving cat I'd suggest you pick a cat,
> >not a kitten.  Kittens are adorable, but their personalities are not
> >yet formed, and you could be disappointed when the kitten grows up. 
> >With an older cat who reaches out to you with paws extended, purring
> >and ready for love, you'll get the kind of cat you need and want -
> >Go for it!
> >
> >
> >Lorrie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 06-09, Rachel Dagner wrote:
> >>I picked up Tucker's ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn't
> >>know if it would make me feel better or worse. I haven't eaten since
> >>Sunday my appetite is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a
> >>couple protein shakes. My eyes are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone
> >>who has the misfortune of looking at me, or being around me for that
> >>matter. Well, I of course cried all of the way to the vets, and all the
> >>way home. But then I curled up in bed with my little box of Tucker, and
> >>I actually did feel a little more at peace. I laid there with him and
> >>went through my pictures again and talked to him about all of my
> >>feelings and my love for him, about our memories and how much I miss
> >>him.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet
> >>finder, they test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don't. I
> >>know that there is no sure thing with testing, and I wouldn't trade my
> >>time with Tucker for anything in the world. I just know that
> >>emotionally and financially I am not ready for FELV again right now. If
> >>it happens, just like with any illness, then I deal with it, because
> >>that is what you do.  I am going to Petsmart over in Tampa on Sunday to
> >>meet their kitties, I have no idea if I will be ready, or if this is
> >>what I desperately need to do to help me heal, but it won't hurt to go
> >>meet them and see how my heart feels. One of the greatest gifts Tucker
> >>gave me is that "no cats" Harry, when I showed him a pictures of a
> >>kitty on Pet finder he said  "Is that the one you want to get?" So I
> >>know now that I will never again have to live without the feel of that
> >>soft fur on my face or the heart melting sound of purring in my ear. It
> >>is so hard because I am scared to get one, and I am scared not to. I
> >>guess we will see what happens...
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Rachel Dagner]

You could add an immunosupportive supplement to his food. There are so many
out there and I am not an expert on any of them unfortunately, and it
doesn’t sound like your vet is either. You could try calling or e-mailing
an integrative vet to see what brands they think are best, if you wanted to
add this. It may or may not make a difference in the outcome, who knows,
but it wouldn’t hurt and I would do it if I had it to do over again, the
only reason I didn’t is because I was scared to death of any mineral or
ingredient that might cause the slightest uti or crystals in Tucker, who
another unremovable blockage would have meant death for, I gave him
prescription cat food and distilled water and nothing else, until the
cancer when it was too late for it to do much good. I also think you should
have him tested, you are going to worry yourself either way, and what if
there isn’t anything to worry about? I had a girlfriend worry her whole
life about breast cancer because her mom and grandma died in their early
forties from it. Finally when she turned 41 she came up with the courage to
get a mammogram and the genetic testing, and guess what? No cancer no gene.
She was too scared to look into it sooner so she could possibly catch it
early or to take preventative measures, she is very lucky it turned out
like it did.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Mary Muzyka
*Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2016 10:12 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



Thanks for all your comments.  My invoice from the vet indicates that they
tested her for FIV FHWT (570), viral infection/head worm disease & for GI
parasites, analyses full & internal organ health.  They did prescribe
Onsior 6mg - 3 tablets, which I gave her half a tablet every couple of days
to stimulate her appetite.  When I returned for the second visit, they gave
her mirtazapine 15 mg, fluids, subcutaneous - 300mls, cerenia injection
(10mg/ml), famotidine injection and Loxicom (Meloxicam) injectable.  I
don't see the sense in testing Dolce since when Fiona was tested, she
tested negative.  He is an indoor cat who is well fed so I don't know what
more I can do for his immune system other than keeping everything clean -
food bowls & litter box.



On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Mary Muzyka


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Mary Muzyka]

Thanks for all your comments.  My invoice from the vet indicates that they
tested her for FIV FHWT (570), viral infection/head worm disease & for GI
parasites, analyses full & internal organ health.  They did prescribe
Onsior 6mg - 3 tablets, which I gave her half a tablet every couple of days
to stimulate her appetite.  When I returned for the second visit, they gave
her mirtazapine 15 mg, fluids, subcutaneous - 300mls, cerenia injection
(10mg/ml), famotidine injection and Loxicom (Meloxicam) injectable.  I
don't see the sense in testing Dolce since when Fiona was tested, she
tested negative.  He is an indoor cat who is well fed so I don't know what
more I can do for his immune system other than keeping everything clean -
food bowls & litter box.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
> Mary Muzyka
>
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