Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

[dlgegg]

That is what I said, they have a resonable chance of wining the case or they 
would not pursue it.  There is something that tells them it is worthwhile.  
They will not sue if there is not a reasonable expectation of winning


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> I would be happy to give an inside look at the life of a lawyer, since few 
> people have any idea what we do or how we do it.
> 
> I feel the need to explain that, first, it is not true that every medication 
> is the basis of a lawsuit. Second,  no lawyer would ever bring such 
> litigation forward without some very very solid evidence of problems with the 
> medicine because - and I don’t think you are seeing this - IT IS THE LAWYER 
> WHO HAS TO PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HIS/HER OWN MONEY to fund the 
> litigation. Would YOU bet $100,000 or $200,000 or $500,000 of your own money 
> (NOT counting thousands and thousands of hours of unpaid work), if you 
> weren’t convinced there was sufficient and strong enough evidence to win a 
> case? These cases run for a minimum of 5-7 years, so would you pour in hours 
> and hours of unpaid time, PLUS hundreds of thousands of dollars of your own 
> money, on something with no basis in fact???
> 
> I seriously doubt it. I also don’t know of any other profession where you are 
> expected to put such significant sums of your own money and your own unpaid 
> time on the line, for the sake of a client's case, and to run the case for 
> years and years - unpaid - for the chance to perhaps win in court. The court 
> battle is always tilted in favour of the big guys (corporate entities, 
> doctors' professional protection associations, insurance companies). They 
> have unlimited resources, teams of lawyers, etc., etc. My firm is just me and 
> my husband.
> 
> In medical malpractice actions in Canada, I can tell you that the statistics 
> are that for every 10 medical malpractice actions that actually make it into 
> the court room (many are dismissed on technicalities), NINE are decided in 
> favour of the doctors. Moreover, in Canada, the doctors don’t pay ANYTHING 
> for their defence - it is covered by government rebates to the physicians for 
> 85% of their insurance premiums. And the news is even worse than that. For 
> the one in ten cases that are actually won by an injured patient, the doctor 
> will invariably appeal and most of the cases where a patient wins, are 
> reversed on appeal anyway, so the patient who is successful in trial almost 
> always loses at appeal.
> 
> ALL OF THAT MONEY, to fund the litigation, hire the necessary experts, bring 
> the required motions to court, etc., is underwritten by the medical 
> malpractice lawyer.
> 
> Your enemy is NOT the trial lawyer. You have been fed a bill of goods by 
> insurance companies. Look into it in any detail and you will see what I mean.
> 
> Now, may I please ask everyone to please leave my current profession out of 
> this. I am happy to share my information and experience with everyone, and 
> believe I have been quite generous in doing so. What started all this was a 
> suggestion that the reason my vets give me Winstrol is because they are 
> scared of me as a lawyer. I do not believe that to be true, and you should 
> ask yourself if you are paying attention to my suggestions because I am a 
> lawyer. Since I am pretty sure that is not the reason, then I would ask that 
> you recognize that my vets also have been good enough to listen to me because 
> I am quite up-to-speed on science and medicine, and can interpret blood work 
> like nobody's business. Additionally, I think Margo's observation is bang on: 
> if vets were afraid I would sue them, they would never ever try something 
> "off-label" or experimental with me. As Margo suggested, anyone afraid of 
> litigation will do everything "by the book". Moreover, as I have pointed out, 
> I have developed my relationship with my vets for literally decades, and well 
> before I became a lawyer. I frankly think they are far more impressed with my 
> ability to speak with them at the same level when it comes to medical issues, 
> then they are scared of me turning around and suing them. I do not have a 
> relationship of fear with my vets.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net]
> Sent: October-06-16 10:01 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Cc: Amani Oakley
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
> 
> Just klook at the ads on tv.  every medication that comes on the market is 
> now being sued.  Someone asked me why?  Lawyers who do these things smell a 
> handsome profit and snese that there is abasis for these suits
> 
> 
>  Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> > You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he thought 
> > his client might blame him later for things going wrong. But again, that 
> > presumes that a whole lot of people seriously misunderstand the realities 
> > of litigation an

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

[Sandy]

well you get a big hug from this senior crazy cat lady - guess your husband too 

Sandy W 
- Original Message -

From: "Amani Oakley"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 5:34:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 



Thanks Sandy. I was always a passionate sort, and yes, I love and understand 
science deeply. I was extremely fortunate in that the high school I attended 
actually had 4 years of courses in Microbiology – an entirely unique programme 
for that level of education. I had a wonderful Microbiology teacher with whom I 
still remain in contact, and I met so many of my still-current friends in the 
“Micro lab”. We used to hang around there after school, to work on microbiology 
projects. I met my husband there. 



Many of my “Micro” friends went on to take Sciences and Microbiology in 
University, as did my husband and I, since we were so inspired by the subject 
in high school. After spending a decade working in hospital labs, my big mouth 
caused me to decide to go into law, since I was already the spokesperson for my 
coworkers and sat on a number of hospital committees. Now, I like to believe 
that my combination of medicine and law makes me (and my husband) a serious 
threat in medical malpractice actions. I can’t tell you the number of times a 
doctor has given me a nonsensical answer in a discovery (equal to an American 
deposition) and I have been able to fire back because I understand EXACTLY what 
he has just said and that it is a ridiculous answer. Normally, medical 
gobblydegook sounds sophisticated and most of the time, doctors can get away 
saying stuff by dressing it up with medical terminology. Doesn’t work with me. 



Amani 




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy 
Sent: October-06-16 5:07 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 





OH MY GOSH! Amani - I look at the science background you present - I believe I 
can feel your passion for the scientific workings - which if I'm not mistaken 
is what your original profession arena is based upon. I look at the "lawyer" 
part of you as having the ability to use proper wording and presentation to get 
points across with the least amount of excess wording that muddies the water. 





Thank you for your willingness to share 





Sandy W 



- Original Message -



From: "Amani Oakley" < aoak...@oakleylegal.com > 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 4:48:05 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 





I would be happy to give an inside look at the life of a lawyer, since few 
people have any idea what we do or how we do it. 





I feel the need to explain that, first, it is not true that every medication is 
the basis of a lawsuit. Second, no lawyer would ever bring such litigation 
forward without some very very solid evidence of problems with the medicine 
because - and I don’t think you are seeing this - IT IS THE LAWYER WHO HAS TO 
PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HIS/HER OWN MONEY to fund the litigation. Would 
YOU bet $100,000 or $200,000 or $500,000 of your own money (NOT counting 
thousands and thousands of hours of unpaid work), if you weren’t convinced 
there was sufficient and strong enough evidence to win a case? These cases run 
for a minimum of 5-7 years, so would you pour in hours and hours of unpaid 
time, PLUS hundreds of thousands of dollars of your own money, on something 
with no basis in fact??? 





I seriously doubt it. I also don’t know of any other profession where you are 
expected to put such significant sums of your own money and your own unpaid 
time on the line, for the sake of a client's case, and to run the case for 
years and years - unpaid - for the chance to perhaps win in court. The court 
battle is always tilted in favour of the big guys (corporate entities, doctors' 
professional protection associations, insurance companies). They have unlimited 
resources, teams of lawyers, etc., etc. My firm is just me and my husband. 





In medical malpractice actions in Canada, I can tell you that the statistics 
are that for every 10 medical malpractice actions that actually make it into 
the court room (many are dismissed on technicalities), NINE are decided in 
favour of the doctors. Moreover, in Canada, the doctors don’t pay ANYTHING for 
their defence - it is covered by government rebates to the physicians for 85% 
of their insurance premiums. And the news is even worse than that. For the one 
in ten cases that are actually won by an injured patient, the doctor will 
invariably appeal and most of the cases where a patient wins, are reversed on 
appeal anyway, so the patient who is successful in trial almost always loses at 
appeal. 





ALL OF THAT MONEY, to fund the litigation, hire the necessary experts, bring 
the required motions to court, etc., is underwritten by the medic

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

[Amani Oakley]

Thanks Sandy. I was always a passionate sort, and yes, I love and understand 
science deeply. I was extremely fortunate in that the high school I attended 
actually had 4 years of courses in Microbiology – an entirely unique programme 
for that level of education. I had a wonderful Microbiology teacher with whom I 
still remain in contact, and I met so many of my still-current friends in the 
“Micro lab”. We used to hang around there after school, to work on microbiology 
projects. I met my husband there.

Many of my “Micro” friends went on to take Sciences and Microbiology in 
University, as did my husband and I, since we were so inspired by the subject 
in high school. After spending a decade working in hospital labs, my big mouth 
caused me to decide to go into law, since I was already the spokesperson for my 
coworkers and sat on a number of hospital committees. Now, I like to believe 
that my combination of medicine and law makes me (and my husband) a serious 
threat in medical malpractice actions. I can’t tell you the number of times a 
doctor has given me a nonsensical answer in a discovery (equal to an American 
deposition) and I have been able to fire back because I understand EXACTLY what 
he has just said and that it is a ridiculous answer. Normally, medical 
gobblydegook sounds sophisticated and most of the time, doctors can get away 
saying stuff by dressing it up with medical terminology. Doesn’t work with me.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: October-06-16 5:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

OH MY GOSH! Amani - I look at the science background you present - I believe I 
can feel your passion for the scientific workings - which if I'm not mistaken 
is what your original profession arena is based upon.  I look at the "lawyer" 
part of you as having the ability to use proper wording and presentation to get 
points across with the least amount of excess wording that muddies the water.

Thank you for your willingness to share

Sandy W


From: "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 4:48:05 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

I would be happy to give an inside look at the life of a lawyer, since few 
people have any idea what we do or how we do it.

I feel the need to explain that, first, it is not true that every medication is 
the basis of a lawsuit. Second,  no lawyer would ever bring such litigation 
forward without some very very solid evidence of problems with the medicine 
because - and I don’t think you are seeing this - IT IS THE LAWYER WHO HAS TO 
PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HIS/HER OWN MONEY to fund the litigation. Would 
YOU bet $100,000 or $200,000 or $500,000 of your own money (NOT counting 
thousands and thousands of hours of unpaid work), if you weren’t convinced 
there was sufficient and strong enough evidence to win a case? These cases run 
for a minimum of 5-7 years, so would you pour in hours and hours of unpaid 
time, PLUS hundreds of thousands of dollars of your own money, on something 
with no basis in fact???

I seriously doubt it. I also don’t know of any other profession where you are 
expected to put such significant sums of your own money and your own unpaid 
time on the line, for the sake of a client's case, and to run the case for 
years and years - unpaid - for the chance to perhaps win in court. The court 
battle is always tilted in favour of the big guys (corporate entities, doctors' 
professional protection associations, insurance companies). They have unlimited 
resources, teams of lawyers, etc., etc. My firm is just me and my husband.

In medical malpractice actions in Canada, I can tell you that the statistics 
are that for every 10 medical malpractice actions that actually make it into 
the court room (many are dismissed on technicalities), NINE are decided in 
favour of the doctors. Moreover, in Canada, the doctors don’t pay ANYTHING for 
their defence - it is covered by government rebates to the physicians for 85% 
of their insurance premiums. And the news is even worse than that. For the one 
in ten cases that are actually won by an injured patient, the doctor will 
invariably appeal and most of the cases where a patient wins, are reversed on 
appeal anyway, so the patient who is successful in trial almost always loses at 
appeal.

ALL OF THAT MONEY, to fund the litigation, hire the necessary experts, bring 
the required motions to court, etc., is underwritten by the medical malpractice 
lawyer.

Your enemy is NOT the trial lawyer. You have been fed a bill of goods by 
insurance companies. Look into it in any detail and you will see what I mean.

Now, may I please ask everyone to please leave my current profession out of 
this. I am happy to share my information and ex

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

[Sandy]

OH MY GOSH! Amani - I look at the science background you present - I believe I 
can feel your passion for the scientific workings - which if I'm not mistaken 
is what your original profession arena is based upon. I look at the "lawyer" 
part of you as having the ability to use proper wording and presentation to get 
points across with the least amount of excess wording that muddies the water. 

Thank you for your willingness to share 

Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: "Amani Oakley"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 4:48:05 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 

I would be happy to give an inside look at the life of a lawyer, since few 
people have any idea what we do or how we do it. 

I feel the need to explain that, first, it is not true that every medication is 
the basis of a lawsuit. Second, no lawyer would ever bring such litigation 
forward without some very very solid evidence of problems with the medicine 
because - and I don’t think you are seeing this - IT IS THE LAWYER WHO HAS TO 
PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HIS/HER OWN MONEY to fund the litigation. Would 
YOU bet $100,000 or $200,000 or $500,000 of your own money (NOT counting 
thousands and thousands of hours of unpaid work), if you weren’t convinced 
there was sufficient and strong enough evidence to win a case? These cases run 
for a minimum of 5-7 years, so would you pour in hours and hours of unpaid 
time, PLUS hundreds of thousands of dollars of your own money, on something 
with no basis in fact??? 

I seriously doubt it. I also don’t know of any other profession where you are 
expected to put such significant sums of your own money and your own unpaid 
time on the line, for the sake of a client's case, and to run the case for 
years and years - unpaid - for the chance to perhaps win in court. The court 
battle is always tilted in favour of the big guys (corporate entities, doctors' 
professional protection associations, insurance companies). They have unlimited 
resources, teams of lawyers, etc., etc. My firm is just me and my husband. 

In medical malpractice actions in Canada, I can tell you that the statistics 
are that for every 10 medical malpractice actions that actually make it into 
the court room (many are dismissed on technicalities), NINE are decided in 
favour of the doctors. Moreover, in Canada, the doctors don’t pay ANYTHING for 
their defence - it is covered by government rebates to the physicians for 85% 
of their insurance premiums. And the news is even worse than that. For the one 
in ten cases that are actually won by an injured patient, the doctor will 
invariably appeal and most of the cases where a patient wins, are reversed on 
appeal anyway, so the patient who is successful in trial almost always loses at 
appeal. 

ALL OF THAT MONEY, to fund the litigation, hire the necessary experts, bring 
the required motions to court, etc., is underwritten by the medical malpractice 
lawyer. 

Your enemy is NOT the trial lawyer. You have been fed a bill of goods by 
insurance companies. Look into it in any detail and you will see what I mean. 

Now, may I please ask everyone to please leave my current profession out of 
this. I am happy to share my information and experience with everyone, and 
believe I have been quite generous in doing so. What started all this was a 
suggestion that the reason my vets give me Winstrol is because they are scared 
of me as a lawyer. I do not believe that to be true, and you should ask 
yourself if you are paying attention to my suggestions because I am a lawyer. 
Since I am pretty sure that is not the reason, then I would ask that you 
recognize that my vets also have been good enough to listen to me because I am 
quite up-to-speed on science and medicine, and can interpret blood work like 
nobody's business. Additionally, I think Margo's observation is bang on: if 
vets were afraid I would sue them, they would never ever try something 
"off-label" or experimental with me. As Margo suggested, anyone afraid of 
litigation will do everything "by the book". Moreover, as I have pointed out, I 
have developed my relationship with my vets for literally decades, and well 
before I became a lawyer. I frankly think they are far more impressed with my 
ability to speak with them at the same level when it comes to medical issues, 
then they are scared of me turning around and suing them. I do not have a 
relationship of fear with my vets. 

Amani 



-Original Message- 
From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net] 
Sent: October-06-16 10:01 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: Amani Oakley 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10 

Just klook at the ads on tv. every medication that comes on the market is now 
being sued. Someone asked me why? Lawyers who do these things smell a handsome 
profit and snese that there is abasis for these suits 


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> You are corre

[Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

[Amani Oakley]

I would be happy to give an inside look at the life of a lawyer, since few 
people have any idea what we do or how we do it.

I feel the need to explain that, first, it is not true that every medication is 
the basis of a lawsuit. Second,  no lawyer would ever bring such litigation 
forward without some very very solid evidence of problems with the medicine 
because - and I don’t think you are seeing this - IT IS THE LAWYER WHO HAS TO 
PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HIS/HER OWN MONEY to fund the litigation. Would 
YOU bet $100,000 or $200,000 or $500,000 of your own money (NOT counting 
thousands and thousands of hours of unpaid work), if you weren’t convinced 
there was sufficient and strong enough evidence to win a case? These cases run 
for a minimum of 5-7 years, so would you pour in hours and hours of unpaid 
time, PLUS hundreds of thousands of dollars of your own money, on something 
with no basis in fact???

I seriously doubt it. I also don’t know of any other profession where you are 
expected to put such significant sums of your own money and your own unpaid 
time on the line, for the sake of a client's case, and to run the case for 
years and years - unpaid - for the chance to perhaps win in court. The court 
battle is always tilted in favour of the big guys (corporate entities, doctors' 
professional protection associations, insurance companies). They have unlimited 
resources, teams of lawyers, etc., etc. My firm is just me and my husband.

In medical malpractice actions in Canada, I can tell you that the statistics 
are that for every 10 medical malpractice actions that actually make it into 
the court room (many are dismissed on technicalities), NINE are decided in 
favour of the doctors. Moreover, in Canada, the doctors don’t pay ANYTHING for 
their defence - it is covered by government rebates to the physicians for 85% 
of their insurance premiums. And the news is even worse than that. For the one 
in ten cases that are actually won by an injured patient, the doctor will 
invariably appeal and most of the cases where a patient wins, are reversed on 
appeal anyway, so the patient who is successful in trial almost always loses at 
appeal.

ALL OF THAT MONEY, to fund the litigation, hire the necessary experts, bring 
the required motions to court, etc., is underwritten by the medical malpractice 
lawyer.

Your enemy is NOT the trial lawyer. You have been fed a bill of goods by 
insurance companies. Look into it in any detail and you will see what I mean.

Now, may I please ask everyone to please leave my current profession out of 
this. I am happy to share my information and experience with everyone, and 
believe I have been quite generous in doing so. What started all this was a 
suggestion that the reason my vets give me Winstrol is because they are scared 
of me as a lawyer. I do not believe that to be true, and you should ask 
yourself if you are paying attention to my suggestions because I am a lawyer. 
Since I am pretty sure that is not the reason, then I would ask that you 
recognize that my vets also have been good enough to listen to me because I am 
quite up-to-speed on science and medicine, and can interpret blood work like 
nobody's business. Additionally, I think Margo's observation is bang on: if 
vets were afraid I would sue them, they would never ever try something 
"off-label" or experimental with me. As Margo suggested, anyone afraid of 
litigation will do everything "by the book". Moreover, as I have pointed out, I 
have developed my relationship with my vets for literally decades, and well 
before I became a lawyer. I frankly think they are far more impressed with my 
ability to speak with them at the same level when it comes to medical issues, 
then they are scared of me turning around and suing them. I do not have a 
relationship of fear with my vets.

Amani



-Original Message-
From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net]
Sent: October-06-16 10:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Amani Oakley
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

Just klook at the ads on tv.  every medication that comes on the market is now 
being sued.  Someone asked me why?  Lawyers who do these things smell a 
handsome profit and snese that there is abasis for these suits


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he thought his 
> client might blame him later for things going wrong. But again, that presumes 
> that a whole lot of people seriously misunderstand the realities of 
> litigation and have bought the insurance companies' spin that there are all 
> these crazy people who will sue at the drop of a hat. Sadly, that is probably 
> true.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Margo
> Sent: October-05-16 6:21 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
> 
> 
> Funn

Re: [Felvtalk] Realities of Pet Litigation and Yogi update....

[dlgegg]

Glad Yogi' is showing signs of improvement.  Good news is always great to hear. 
 Will keep him and you in my prayers.


 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Amani..

I'm sorry I brought the topic up both for not realizing that it 
could spur many " offshoot" conversations and the apparent reality that 
pets lives are not considered important enough to punish those who do 
not pay sufficient attention to their care ( likewise the the penalties 
for animal abuse or the " necessary" killing of an aggressive dog ( we 
can get sent to jail for being TOO mean to someone whose intention it is 
to Rob us but apparently there is no such thing as " excessive " force 
if you don't know how to handle an angry dog often times one that 
YOU angered... it's very disheartening I guess I imagined with 
the uptick in fondness for all things " pet " and the addition of laws 
addressing abuse and neglect that these issues were being taken more 
seriously in the court..   but  We all know that getting ones 
money back from the interior decorator who put up the wrong color 
curtains trumps having your beloved pet killed by a neighbor who "says" 
it was threatening his out of control obnoxious 3 year old who kept 
throwing apples at it ( I am assuming all pet related incidents end 
up ( if at all) in Civil Court, or small Claims??. and PLEASE... no 
need to respond. just venting my spleen upon learning that we have 
not come as far as I had hoped
***  Was going to have Yogi's Right eye removed today but over the 
past couple of days his mood has brightened and there " seems " to be a 
bit of resolution in the clarity of the lens and surrounding 
Hyperemia.. His appetite is fabulous and he is more energetic..  As 
my decision was based on his discomfort weighted against the very real 
risk that he would not make it through the surgery I decided to postpose 
the surgery until such time as I feel that his suffering would warrant 
an operation that could be equivalent to " putting him down" He's 
such a ratty little thing and really looks the part of a Leuky cat but 
he's MY boy and I love having him around

Bob


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> You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he 
> thought his client might blame him later for things going wrong. But 
> again, that presumes that a whole lot of people seriously 
> misunderstand the realities of litigation and have bought the 
> insurance companies' spin that there are all these crazy people who 
> will sue at the drop of a hat. Sadly, that is probably true.
>
> Amani
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Margo
> Sent: October-05-16 6:21 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
>
>
> Funny, my thought was that a Vet would be LESS likely to try anything 
> even slightly out of the norm with a potentially litigious client. 
> That they would go strictly "by the book" in order to be able to 
> defend what they did, should here be a problem.
>
> But then, there are Vets and there are VETS. "My" Vet has her last day 
> at the practice Friday for maternity leave, and won't be back until 
> January. I have no idea what I'll do. She says she'll be available by 
> phone and email, but I have my doubts. Although I DO think she'll be 
> bored ;)
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
>> From: ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Oct 4, 2016 9:03 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
>>
>> Amani...
>> I don't know how things work in Canada but I KNOW that were I a 
>> lawyer I would get more cooperation from my vet? As Vets begin to 
>> charge more and more and?large corporations begin to?buy up small 
>> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

[dlgegg]

Just klook at the ads on tv.  every medication that comes on the market is now 
being sued.  Someone asked me why?  Lawyers who do these things smell a 
handsome profit and snese that there is abasis for these suits


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he thought his 
> client might blame him later for things going wrong. But again, that presumes 
> that a whole lot of people seriously misunderstand the realities of 
> litigation and have bought the insurance companies' spin that there are all 
> these crazy people who will sue at the drop of a hat. Sadly, that is probably 
> true.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: October-05-16 6:21 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
> 
> 
> Funny, my thought was that a Vet would be LESS likely to try anything even 
> slightly out of the norm with a potentially litigious client. That they would 
> go strictly "by the book" in order to be able to defend what they did, should 
> here be a problem.
> 
> But then, there are Vets and there are VETS. "My" Vet has her last day at the 
> practice Friday for maternity leave, and won't be back until January. I have 
> no idea what I'll do. She says she'll be available by phone and email, but I 
> have my doubts. Although I DO think she'll be bored ;)
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: ROBERT CHAPEL 
> >Sent: Oct 4, 2016 9:03 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
> >
> >Amani...
> >I don't know how things work in Canada but I KNOW that were I a lawyer 
> >I would get more cooperation from my vet  As Vets begin to charge 
> >more and more and large corporations begin to buy up small practices 
> >here in the states the model is now moving toward the downside of human 
> >medicine discrete scheduling time periods to maximize profits...
> >little time to " discuss" options and an aversion to moving on to 
> >topics that could cause spending extra time.  As prices rise so do  
> >owner resentments at not being " cared about" or listened to just as in 
> >human medicine. and that( at least in the US) is when lawsuits are 
> >most likely to be filed Most of us can forgive a vet making a 
> >mistake when we feel he/she has put real thought and concern into a Tx 
> >plan but putting our pets at risk because an alteration in plan causes 
> >him to have to step outside his comfort zone( and spend some extra time
> >thinking) or simply doesn't appear to care.. That doesn't fly when we 
> >are paying Hundreds of dollars to save our precious pets..
> >Malpractice lawyer pet owners ( or patients in human medicine) are 
> >likely surreptitiously treated with great care when moving through 
> >waters fraught with potential for terminal errors. and likely get a 
> >bit more cooperation from their vets...   I am glad for your cats that 
> >you ARE in the profession that you now are...
> >So... it is , in my opinion, both good fortune and a dose of 
> >deferential caution that gets you the kind of cooperation you get from 
> >your vet   Yeah I'm pretty jaded at this point  : )   That is 
> >why I HAD to retire a bit early
> >
> > 
> .
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Realities of Pet Litigation and Yogi update....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani..

I'm sorry I brought the topic up both for not realizing that it 
could spur many " offshoot" conversations and the apparent reality that 
pets lives are not considered important enough to punish those who do 
not pay sufficient attention to their care ( likewise the the penalties 
for animal abuse or the " necessary" killing of an aggressive dog ( we 
can get sent to jail for being TOO mean to someone whose intention it is 
to Rob us but apparently there is no such thing as " excessive " force 
if you don't know how to handle an angry dog often times one that 
YOU angered... it's very disheartening I guess I imagined with 
the uptick in fondness for all things " pet " and the addition of laws 
addressing abuse and neglect that these issues were being taken more 
seriously in the court..   but  We all know that getting ones 
money back from the interior decorator who put up the wrong color 
curtains trumps having your beloved pet killed by a neighbor who "says" 
it was threatening his out of control obnoxious 3 year old who kept 
throwing apples at it ( I am assuming all pet related incidents end 
up ( if at all) in Civil Court, or small Claims??. and PLEASE... no 
need to respond. just venting my spleen upon learning that we have 
not come as far as I had hoped
***  Was going to have Yogi's Right eye removed today but over the 
past couple of days his mood has brightened and there " seems " to be a 
bit of resolution in the clarity of the lens and surrounding 
Hyperemia.. His appetite is fabulous and he is more energetic..  As 
my decision was based on his discomfort weighted against the very real 
risk that he would not make it through the surgery I decided to postpose 
the surgery until such time as I feel that his suffering would warrant 
an operation that could be equivalent to " putting him down" He's 
such a ratty little thing and really looks the part of a Leuky cat but 
he's MY boy and I love having him around


Bob


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You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he 
thought his client might blame him later for things going wrong. But 
again, that presumes that a whole lot of people seriously 
misunderstand the realities of litigation and have bought the 
insurance companies' spin that there are all these crazy people who 
will sue at the drop of a hat. Sadly, that is probably true.


Amani


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Margo

Sent: October-05-16 6:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10


Funny, my thought was that a Vet would be LESS likely to try anything 
even slightly out of the norm with a potentially litigious client. 
That they would go strictly "by the book" in order to be able to 
defend what they did, should here be a problem.


But then, there are Vets and there are VETS. "My" Vet has her last day 
at the practice Friday for maternity leave, and won't be back until 
January. I have no idea what I'll do. She says she'll be available by 
phone and email, but I have my doubts. Although I DO think she'll be 
bored ;)


Margo

-Original Message-

From: ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Oct 4, 2016 9:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

Amani...
I don't know how things work in Canada but I KNOW that were I a 
lawyer I would get more cooperation from my vet? As Vets begin to 
charge more and more and?large corporations begin to?buy up small 
practices here in the states the model is now?moving toward the 
downside of human medicine discrete scheduling time periods to 
maximize profits...
little time to " discuss" options and an aversion to moving on to 
topics that could cause spending extra time.? As prices r