Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
Hi Jennifer There are people in this group from all over the U.S. (New York, Texas, Wisconsin, California, etc.) and all around the world (Canada – me!; Brazil, Italy, South Africa), so I just meant that if you tell us in your email, approximately where you’re located, there may be people near you who might be willing to help out with your cat. In my personal opinion, once you’ve taken the time and care to tame down a feral, as you have clearly done, I would never put them back out on the street. But maybe that’s why I’m up to 18 cats now! I just think that once they know what it’s like to be warm and clean and loved, it is just too terrible to put them back outside again. Frankly, of the two conditions, it is the FIV which is more contagious so if you’ve had experience with that, and it turned out okay, in my experience, it won’t be the FeLV that causes a problem, unless you have kittens in your house. Adult cats can end up testing positive for FeLV, but it doesn’t do anything to them. I agree with you that you should try hard to find him another home, but if all else fails, please consider keeping him. It sounds like you’ve done just a wonderful thing for him, and he obviously loves you very much. With respect to the anbiotic, nothing is like Doxycyline other than another tetracycline. Broad-spectrum antibiotics cover Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria – that is what is meant by broad spectrum. Doxycycline had effects on bacteria, viruses (block viral ability to replicate), spirochetes (eg – Lyme Disease), parasites (eg – malaria, immature stage of the roundworm), etc. Don’t let them try and substitute Doxcycycline – it works very differently than almost every other antibiotic. Nothing at all wrong with the Orbifloxacin – it is a floroquinolone I think – same family as ciprofloxacin – and it is effect against some organisms like Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Staph aureus which are tough bugs to kill. But I suggested the Doxycycline because it might help with the background viral issues. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: June-09-18 6:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with experience with this. Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). And If I post, is it ok to ‘put it out there’ re: possible home with other felv positives? Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. we’d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i’m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! I’d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it’ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I’m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn’t seem best for him. I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ‘oh my gosh no don’t do that’. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it’s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am familiar with doxy and thought that’s what he’d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin). Are U familiar? When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it’s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? If not I can send the link. I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI’s. It’s a natural antibiotic. It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . With ur experience and what u’ve heard (he’s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neut
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
Jennifer, I don't think that you need to be so sterile. I have been taking in strays and dump cats for over 40 years, some positive and some not. Each one goes to the vet to be sure they are healthy and then join the pride in my house. I have had 3 positives and none of the others (over 40) have been infected. Every one including my positives has lived to 18+ years. As long as you are observant and keep on top of things, you should be okay. Vaccinate the negatives if you want, but as long as you keep stress out of their lives, giver them good quality food, clean water and follow medical advise of Amani and others here, you should be okay. - Original Message - From: Jennifer Minnich To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 09 Jun 2018 18:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with experience with this. Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). And If I post, is it ok to ‘put it out there’ re: possible home with other felv positives? Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. we’d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i’m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! I’d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it’ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I’m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn’t seem best for him. I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ‘oh my gosh no don’t do that’. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it’s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome.(Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I amfamiliar with doxy and thought that’s what he’d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin).Are U familiar? When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it’s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? If not I can send the link. I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI’s. It’s a natural antibiotic. It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . With ur experience and what u’ve heard (he’s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis (i’ll send pic if u want ): A) what’s ur feeling about putting himback outside?(I’ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn’t be in the elements and would do better inside)—- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good options. B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know it’s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one he knew of was patient’s who lived to 8y/o. What’s ur feeling of assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly??I guess i’m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if it’s pos. too, that it’s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. Thanks!Jennifer On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Jennifer – from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline – 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn’t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with experience with this. Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). And If I post, is it ok to ‘put it out there’ re: possible home with other felv positives? Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. we’d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i’m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! I’d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it’ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I’m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn’t seem best for him. I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ‘oh my gosh no don’t do that’. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it’s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am familiar with doxy and thought that’s what he’d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin). Are U familiar? When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it’s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? If not I can send the link. I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI’s. It’s a natural antibiotic. It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . With ur experience and what u’ve heard (he’s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis (i’ll send pic if u want ): A) what’s ur feeling about putting him back outside?(I’ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn’t be in the elements and would do better inside)—- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good options. B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know it’s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one he knew of was patient’s who lived to 8y/o. What’s ur feeling of assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly?? I guess i’m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if it’s pos. too, that it’s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. Thanks! Jennifer > On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Jennifer – from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post > where you are. > > Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline – 50 mg. > daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn’t > showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for > now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline > should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to > interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both > FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won’t go into the details, since > everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same > stuff in answer to new inquiriesJ.) > > I think what you’re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a > very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn’t have a cat > already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on > a cat with significant responsibilities – at least into the future. Anyone > with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to > worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
Jennifer – from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline – 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn’t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won’t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiries☺.) I think what you’re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn’t have a cat already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat with significant responsibilities – at least into the future. Anyone with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my vet would warn that this would “clear out my house” when it came to the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don’t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with FIP – AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October – again, so far so good. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how. I think I tried and never worked. Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. 🙏 Thank you. A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he’d eat! Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double positive-:(,and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is 5-6 y/o. I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don’t want to expose my cats. Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn’t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we’d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn’t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it’s a lot to take on but he’s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love;if it can’t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that I could ask? Thank you for ur compassion, and time! Jennifer 305-298-3709 On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley mailto:mys...@gmail.com>> wrote: Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. There were other -- Forwarded message -- From: mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org>> Date: Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 1:22 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how. I think I tried and never worked. Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. 🙏 Thank you. A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he’d eat! Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double positive-:(,and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is 5-6 y/o. I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don’t want to expose my cats. Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn’t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we’d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn’t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it’s a lot to take on but he’s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love;if it can’t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that I could ask? Thank you for ur compassion, and time! Jennifer 305-298-3709 > On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley wrote: > > Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. There were other > -- Forwarded message -- > From: > Date: Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 1:22 PM > Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 > From: Marlene Snowman > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > Message-ID: <14d133e6-4407-4d32-9bb0-e90919acf...@icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you, I appreciate this. > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get > > her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are > > having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only > > thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been > > known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I > > have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is > > a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before > > giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food > > afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have > > mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that > > the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it > > actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link > > between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of > > Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha > ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may > address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid
