Jennifer, I don't think that you need to be so sterile.  I have been taking in 
strays and dump cats for over 40 years, some positive and some not.  Each one 
goes to the vet to be sure they are healthy and then join the pride in my 
house.  I have had 3 positives and none of the others (over 40) have been 
infected.  Every one including my positives has lived to 18+ years.  As long as 
you are observant and keep on top of things, you should be okay.  Vaccinate the 
negatives if you want, but as long as you keep stress out of their lives, giver 
them good quality food, clean water and follow medical advise of Amani and 
others here, you should be okay.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jennifer Minnich <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 09 Jun 2018 18:18:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6


Hi,  thank you for replying.  It is helpful to talk to someone with experience 
with this.
Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am?  (Not sure what that 
means). And If I post, is it ok to ‘put it out there’ re: possible home with 
other felv positives? Esp because I would be willing to help support him which 
I think makes a difference.
we’d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !!  but i’m trying to be 
positive that a plan will happen.  He went from hissy street cat to curling up 
in my lap.  Urg!   
I’d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u 
said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed.
We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of 
coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks.  Or the whole vaccination thing 
b/c with multiple other cats it’ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of 
efficacy, or side effects.  
That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be 
sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I’m not so sure fair to him to 
be isolated all the time.   OR the only cat.  OR in a multi pos. home (prob. 
preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back 
outside which doesn’t seem best for him. 
I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be 
ok vs ‘oh my gosh no don’t do that’.  That is what happened with my FIV cat 
which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it 
was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others 
(individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes.  
I guess it’s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck.   Sounds like you 
have been fortunate which is awesome.(Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:)
I got the antibiotic before seeing this.  I amfamiliar with doxy and thought 
that’s what he’d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin).Are U familiar?  When i 
got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that 
it’s broad spectrum antibiotic.   Thoughts?
Are u familiar with Collodial Silver?  If not I can send the link. I was 
recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. Cat 
person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial 
infections to URI’s.   It’s a natural antibiotic. It lists as an option for 
stomatitis  and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt,  in basic doses.  
(supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and 
immune-building).  I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet .
With ur experience and what u’ve heard (he’s between 5-7 yrs. old they say;  to 
be neutered in couple weeks;   10lbs  (needs gain some);   Bad stomatitis (i’ll 
send pic if u want ): 
A) what’s ur feeling about putting himback outside?    (I’ve never done that;  
he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn’t be in the elements and would do 
better inside)—- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good 
options.
B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan?  (I know it’s 
hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one 
he knew of was patient’s who lived to 8y/o.   What’s ur feeling of assessing if 
he could last a while or if things could go south quickly??I guess i’m trying 
to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. 
C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis.  In 
doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test.  It seems if it’s 
pos. too, that it’s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it.
Thanks!Jennifer 


On Jun 9,r  2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote:

Jennifer – from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post 
where you are.
 Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline – 50 mg. 
daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn’t 
showing other
 symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if 
your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be 
considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral 
replication so it might help.
 I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won’t go 
into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me 
posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiriesJ.) I think what you’re doing 
is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding 
a home for him. Anyone who doesn’t have a cat already
 is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat 
with significant responsibilities – at least into the future. Anyone with a cat 
or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about 
cross-contamination. I
 agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. Though I doubt 
it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one 
can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both
 FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my 
vet would warn that this would “clear out my house” when it came to the other 
cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I 
think that kittens are
 vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but 
other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had 
a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the 
virus. I had at last
 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a 
FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 
cats (don’t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has 
had a problem with FIP
 – AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a 
another kitten who was about 6 months old in October – again, so far so good. 
Amani   From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich
Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hello,   I subscribed 
a few years ago but have never posted;  not even sure how.I think I tried and 
never worked. Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster 
or adopter?  Please I hope u will read this.  \uD83D\uDE4F Thank you.  A male 
tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double 
positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed 
wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I
 was so happy he’d eat! Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was 
manageable.  My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt.  Things 
took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my 
vet first to diagnose... well he tested double positive-:(,    and has very bad 
stomatitis.   I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver.   He 
has neuter appt. In a couple weeks.  They think he is5-6 y/o.   I am at a 
crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don’t want to 
expose my cats.   Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn’t seem too 
super viable unless we separate him and we’d wonder or worry about possible 
cross contamination.  Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn’t seem practical as it 
would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy.   
Which leads me to:   If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), 
OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents,  that would be 
options for him..   I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared 
for;
  it’s a lot to take on but he’s So worth it and deserves it;  he clearly was 
overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care 
and love;    if it can’t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his 
situation and loves and cares
 for him no matter what. To a right home with good people,  I would be willing 
to transport and/or support $ him if needed. Do you know of anyone? Is this a 
forum that I could ask?

Thank you for ur compassion, and time! Jennifer305-298-3709

 

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Thank you, I appreciate this. 


Marlene 


Sent from my iPhone


> On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote:

> 

> In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get 
> her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, 
> or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to 
> watch with the Doxycycline
 is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and 
cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard 
others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, 
rub them in butter before
 giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards 
to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get 
Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown 
out of proportion to
 the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with 
Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed 
the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha

 ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address 
whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections.

>  

> Amani

>  

> From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> Marlene Snowman

> Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM

> To: [email protected]

> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

>  

> Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of 
> a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme 
> nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every 
> week thereafter 2 to 3 days
 of this same oral antibiotic. 

>  

> The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no 
> issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been 
> able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people.


>  

> That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, 
> with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else 
> further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating 
> this issue. And to your
 point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get 
this protocol going before something further or a worsening.


>  

> Thoughts ?

> M

>  

>  

>  

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

> On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote:

> 

> Hi Marlene

>  

> I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no 
> problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned.

>  

> I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. 
> Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for 
> kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when 
> my cat Zander was diagnosed with
 FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? 
worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), 
he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no 
one else got it.

>  

> With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and 
> his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no 
> advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV 
> positive, we were relieved and happy
 that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first 
bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with 
haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and 
from September to December, we fought
 to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? 
LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that 
time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a 
startling and amazing
 turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb 
slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight 
with the blood transfusions.

>  

> I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating 
> Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, 
> and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the 
> ability to inhibit viral replication
 and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is 
something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of 
treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its 
ability to reproduce. The problem
 is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the 
cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be 
that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, 
in my mind anyway, I
 think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the 
absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment 
course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an

 d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of 
a virus.

>  

> I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline 
> is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature 
> phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round 
> worms except the deworming
 that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) 
I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up 
a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other 
siblings had gotten pregnant
 (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER 
KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that 
the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily 
tissues including the eyes, and
 these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral 
doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save 
you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t

 hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the 
immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the 
cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and 
heavy coughing allows the
 immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). 
Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same 
time.

>  

> Whew.

>  

> Amani

>  

> From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> Marlene Snowman

> Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM

> To: [email protected]

> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

>  

> Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 
> year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms 
> showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should 
> also be getting my vet to
 prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with 
some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later 
date?

>  

> Any advice is appreciated....

>  

> Marlene 

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

> On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote:

> 

> Hi JoAnne

>  

> If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might 
> transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake.

>  

> My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of 
> Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would 
> be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some 
> time to eat, bulk, recover from the other
 things like worms, etc.

>  

> You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to 
> prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of 
> Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I 
> recommend, and had a very good response from,
 is:

>  

> Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day

>  

> Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day

>  

> Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day

>  

>  

> Amani

>  

> From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> JoAnne Kraun

> Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM

> To: [email protected]

> Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin

>  

> I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online.  He was born on 
> March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him.  He was covered in 
> fleas so I took him straight to the vet.  They said he also had tapeworms.  
> He was treated for fleas and tapeworms
 and received his first series of vaccines.  His weight was 2.1 lbs.  They 
tested him for FIV and FeLV.  About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me 
and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive.  I have been doing a 
lot of research and I
 have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is 
starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also 
that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now.  
He eats a lot.  I have been
 feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food.  He 
seems to be gaining weight.  He looks good and he is a very active and vocal 
kitten.  He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh

 o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night.

>  

> Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online 
> indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before 
> he starts to get sick.  I have never had a cat with this disease.   
> Everything I find online indicates
 that most kittens will not be able to  clear the virus and will live 2-3 years 
if we are lucky.

>  

> I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, 
> before he starts to get sick.  Regardless of how long I have him, he will be 
> loved and cared for.  He is already very spoiled.   I just can't even picture 
> this little guy being sick. 
 He is such a good little cat.  I call him Q.  

>  

> I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago.  I 
> haven't had a kitten for 17 years.  I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult 
> cat may be too stressed around my big dogs.  The Cavalier is fine, but I also 
> have 2 Akitas.  My other
 cat was fine with the Akitas.  She was not afraid of them at all.  Q does not 
seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses.  I do 
separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very 
playful and I am afraid that
 she would try to play with Q.  The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get 
hurt so easily.  Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare 
easily and purrs whenever he is around us.   


>  

> What can I expect?  Will he start getting sick in a few months?  Do they just 
> quit eating or what happens?   I would like to think that Q will be one of 
> the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be 
> realistic.  I just want him to have
 the best quality of life that he can have with us.

>  

>  

>  

> JoAnne

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