Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
Thanks Amani! I got it-:) Thank you for your understanding re blind cat because it helps, i’ll never get over it and will always cherish him and share his story and amazing pelvic recovery to help others (he defied all odds esp at his older age). He was not fiv/felv but so many cats and dogs not to mention strays in his position & age get ‘put down’ b/c of. So sad. The second they saw him and that he was stray they wanted to euthanize. Wish we could talk more about that offline some time as i’d be curious as to your take on his demise it was so odd. Anyway Thank You for sharing your personal experiences and very touching Zander story that’s pretty remarkable - lucky he had U to fight for him. And what U learned from it, and share, really shows how zander affects so many people and cats infinitely! It makes sense, the med formula how u explained it, and I definitely will hang on to this, so thank U! If u got email about his eye, it seemed better this morning; we’ll keep an eye on it, but coulda be allergic reaction to scratch post. In researching how they test and confirm Felv, I had ran across IFA test awhile back but was confusing and had not personally had need to do it. Fast forward in recent research, I came across this Link below and thought U may find interesting about IFA confirmatory test and dr. Hardy’s Lab. It made more sense to me now, altho I don’t quite get what is done different at hardy’s lab or, why that’s not just standard protocol, considering lives depends on it. Would be curious of ur take on it and, if U do depend on Elisa, or IFA too, and/or do retesting on adults; if a loaded question, I understand, or if better for offline discussion let me know. Here’s the link Fyi: http://www.askthecatdoctor.com/felineleukemia.html The foster I hoped for did not pan out. Talking to someone else later and sort if observing him; it may really help to reach out locally to those who understand and really do appreciate the opportunity, if needed. Jennifer > On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:40 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Jennifer – I actually answered you yesterday, but the darned email was caught > up by the FeLV filter which captures emails that have too long an email trail. > > I have cut out some of the earlier emails to enable the email to go through > (hopefully). > > Amani > > From: Amani Oakley > Sent: June-10-18 3:22 PM > To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break. I > too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to have a > sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted out close > to 400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats. Thankfully, > most of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat to me if > things aren’t working out, but I know only too well that once out of my > hands, you’re at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right thing to > do. > > Your email to felv talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time. I > will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have stumbled > on a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander’s protocol) which > treated my Zander’s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. I used to be a > medical lab technologist so lab results are key to me. When trying Zander on > the various medications that were suggested as assisting with FeLV, I got > weekly bloodwork done and would study the results to see which direction his > bloodwork was going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon, LTCI, combo of > prednisone/Doxy) and I kept him alive with several blood transfusions. When > that was no longer an option because he had had a reaction during his last > blood transfusion and the next one would kill him, I rummaged around in my > drawer of cat meds, and had nothing else at all to try but figured what the > hell, and tried him on Winstrol (Stanazalol) which I thought might at least > keep him eating and maybe keep him alive a bit longer. To my complete and > utter amazement and disbelief, after just a few days on Winstrol, his ivory > white gums and inner ears (signs of his profound anemia) started showing a > slight pinkish blush. The next blood work (a few days later) showed the first > uptick in haematocrit that I had seen with him since the FeLV crisis had > begun, which was not brought on by the artificial increase in red cells from > his transfusions. > > I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol for more > than a year, while his haematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal > reference range of 25 to 45. Everytime I tried to stop or reduce the dosage > of winstrol, his blood results would show an immediate drop in red cells and > haematocrit, so even though his liver enzymes went way up (the reason > Winstrol
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
Thank You Ardy for reaching out! and sharing your story which is wonderful he had a loving home and of course returned the love & joy. So many that don’t get the chance that they deserve. This is a compassionate great group of people. Jennifer > On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Ardy Robertson wrote: > > Hi Jennifer, > I had an FeLV+ kitty for 5-1/2 years and did not know he was positive because > he had tested negative as a kitten when I found him. So during that time he > came in contact with many othernder cats, and none of them became positive. I > read that after 11 months of age, it is quite rare for a cat to catch it from > a positive friend. Had I known Tigger was positive, I might not have kept him > – but I am so very happy I didn’t know it and kept him, because I would never > have known how much fun and love he brought to our house! Whatever you > decide, my best to you and your little one. I would for sure get him on the > Doxy as soon as you can. > Ardy > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Jennifer Minnich > Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 5:19 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with > experience with this. > > Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that > means). > And If I post, is it ok to ‘put it out there’ re: possible home with other > felv positives? > Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a > difference. > > we’d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i’m trying to be > positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling > up in my lap. Urg! > > I’d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u > said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. > > We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk > of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination > thing b/c with multiple other cats it’ll be too much craziness plus not even > sure of efficacy, or side effects. > > That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be > sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I’m not so sure fair to him > to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home > (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him > back outside which doesn’t seem best for him. > > I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can > be ok vs ‘oh my gosh no don’t do that’. That is what happened with my FIV > cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks > it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known > others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad > outcomes. I guess it’s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. > Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. > (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) > > I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am > familiar with doxy and thought that’s what he’d give, but it was Orbax > (Orbifloxacin). > Are U familiar? > When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes > and that it’s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? > > Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? > If not I can send the link. > I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other > animals. > Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial > infections to URI’s. It’s a natural antibiotic. > It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot > hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including > inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the > antibiotic; was ok with vet . > > With ur experience and what u’ve heard (he’s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; > to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis > (i’ll send pic if u want ): > > A) what’s ur feeling about putting him > back outside?(I’ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he > shouldn’t be in the elements and would do better inside)—- just not sure what > will happen if there are no other good options. > > B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know > it’s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said > oldest one he knew of was patient’s who lived to 8y/o. What’s ur feeling of > assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly?? > I guess i’m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. > > C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. > In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test
