Thank You Ardy for reaching out! and sharing your story which is wonderful he had a loving home and of course returned the love & joy. So many that don’t get the chance that they deserve. This is a compassionate great group of people. Jennifer
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Ardy Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Jennifer, > I had an FeLV+ kitty for 5-1/2 years and did not know he was positive because > he had tested negative as a kitten when I found him. So during that time he > came in contact with many othernder cats, and none of them became positive. I > read that after 11 months of age, it is quite rare for a cat to catch it from > a positive friend. Had I known Tigger was positive, I might not have kept him > – but I am so very happy I didn’t know it and kept him, because I would never > have known how much fun and love he brought to our house! Whatever you > decide, my best to you and your little one. I would for sure get him on the > Doxy as soon as you can. > Ardy > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Jennifer Minnich > Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 5:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with > experience with this. > > Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that > means). > And If I post, is it ok to ‘put it out there’ re: possible home with other > felv positives? > Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a > difference. > > we’d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i’m trying to be > positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling > up in my lap. Urg! > > I’d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u > said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. > > We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk > of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination > thing b/c with multiple other cats it’ll be too much craziness plus not even > sure of efficacy, or side effects. > > That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be > sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I’m not so sure fair to him > to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home > (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him > back outside which doesn’t seem best for him. > > I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can > be ok vs ‘oh my gosh no don’t do that’. That is what happened with my FIV > cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks > it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known > others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad > outcomes. I guess it’s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. > Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. > (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) > > I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am > familiar with doxy and thought that’s what he’d give, but it was Orbax > (Orbifloxacin). > Are U familiar? > When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes > and that it’s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? > > Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? > If not I can send the link. > I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other > animals. > Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial > infections to URI’s. It’s a natural antibiotic. > It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot > hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including > inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the > antibiotic; was ok with vet . > > With ur experience and what u’ve heard (he’s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; > to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis > (i’ll send pic if u want ): > > A) what’s ur feeling about putting him > back outside? (I’ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he > shouldn’t be in the elements and would do better inside)—- just not sure what > will happen if there are no other good options. > > B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know > it’s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said > oldest one he knew of was patient’s who lived to 8y/o. What’s ur feeling of > assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly?? > I guess i’m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. > > C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. > In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if > it’s pos. too, that it’s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. > > Thanks! > Jennifer > > > > On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jennifer – from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post > where you are. > > Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline – 50 mg. > daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn’t > showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for > now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline > should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to > interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both > FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won’t go into the details, since > everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same > stuff in answer to new inquiriesJ.) > > I think what you’re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a > very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn’t have a cat > already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on > a cat with significant responsibilities – at least into the future. Anyone > with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to > worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive > household may be an option. > > Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the > fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had > both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each > time, my vet would warn that this would “clear out my house” when it came to > the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP > positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking > on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. > My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was > very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats > during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, > and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats > (don’t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had > a problem with FIP – AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past > year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October – > again, so far so good. > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Jennifer Minnich > Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure > how. > I think I tried and never worked. > Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? > Please I hope u will read this. 🙏 Thank you. > > A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be > double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I > eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him > while he ate... I was so happy he’d eat! > Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. > > My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. > > Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him > by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double > positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am > gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. > They think he is > 5-6 y/o. > > I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I > don’t want to expose my cats. > > Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn’t seem too super viable > unless we separate him and we’d wonder or worry about possible cross > contamination. > Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn’t seem practical as it would get costly and > concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. > > Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), > OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be > options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared > for; it’s a lot to take on but he’s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly > was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort > care and love; if it can’t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets > his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. > To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or > support $ him if needed. > Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that > I could ask? > > > > Thank you for ur compassion, and time! > Jennifer > 305-298-3709 > > > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. 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Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 > From: Marlene Snowman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you, I appreciate this. > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get > > her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are > > having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only > > thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been > > known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I > > have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is > > a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before > > giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food > > afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have > > mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that > > the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it > > actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link > > between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of > > Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha > ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may > address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid > > of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more > > extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and > > then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no > > issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been > > able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always > > been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or > > something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t > > working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience > > with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before > > something further or a worsening. > > > > Thoughts ? > > M > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Marlene > > > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no > > problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little > > reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more > > problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in > > other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a > > very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, > > runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our > > house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got > > it. > > > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and > > his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no > > advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV > > positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t > > treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back > > with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a > > normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we > > fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option > > out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and > > prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of > > December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red > > cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of > > the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood > > transfusions. > > > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating > > Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically > > ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline > > has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the > > viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be > > gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes > > that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The > > problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did > > anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could > > obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank > > FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a > > reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, > > after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 > > weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an > d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading > of a virus. > > > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the > > Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against > > the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to > > done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had > > done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the > > road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I > > couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten > > pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) > > and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured > > out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through > > bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye > > problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical > > and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and > > research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t > hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the > immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm > the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs > and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the > intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal > with this other issue at the same time. > > > > Whew. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my > > 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms > > showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I > > should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 > > lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now > > and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > > > Marlene > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi JoAnne > > > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what > > might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of > > Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess > > would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him > > some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to > > prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of > > Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I > > recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > JoAnne Kraun > > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on > > March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in > > fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. > > He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of > > vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. > > About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested > > positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research > > and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease > > is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and > > also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not > > sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both > > Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He > > looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very > > affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh > o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read > > online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year > > before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. > > Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to > > clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, > > before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will > > be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even > > picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call > > him Q. > > > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I > > haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult > > cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I > > also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not > > afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and > > he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am > > not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she > > would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt > > so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily > > and purrs whenever he is around us. > > > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they > > just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be > > one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be > > realistic. 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