Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

We’re all pulling for Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in 
my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo 
works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good 
care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
Ardy


From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too.

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.
I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.



Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Patricia

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own.

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till 

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in 
my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo 
works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good 
care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

 

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

 

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. 

 

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too. 

 

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.

I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.

 

 

 

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu:

Patricia

 

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

 

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

 

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own. 

 

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

 

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

 

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

 

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net> 
>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Thank you, Sandra  :)

 

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day. 

 

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

 

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

 

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red 
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?  

 

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets 

Re: [Felvtalk] Nori's News

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Patricia...

I'm so happy that you have some _ good_ news for once... You are very special 
to care so lovingly for this unfortunate kitten and if she makes it there will 
be NO question she has you to thank...

Bob in Warwick NY
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> Awesome news!!!
> 
> 
> > On June 9, 2019 at 2:09 PM Patricia Oliveira  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I have experience with subqs.
> > 
> > Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was 
> > there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.
> > 
> > Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as 
> > if she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even 
> > malnutrition. 
> > 
> > Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. 
> > 
> > Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she 
> > has nothing more.
> > 
> > Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)
> > 
> > Thank you!
> > 
> > Patr?cia
> > 
> > 
> > Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 23:23, Amani Oakley < 
> > aoak...@oakleylegal.com mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> > 
> > > > 
> > > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her 
> > > subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. 
> > > However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume 
> > > they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small 
> > > kitten, it wouldn?t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room 
> > > temperature or colder.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I guess it?s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my 
> > > cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs 
> > > some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal 
> > > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I?m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Amani
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > From: Felvtalk  > > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Patricia 
> > > Oliveira
> > > Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. 
> > > Receives external heating too. 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature 
> > > and heart rate several times a day.
> > > 
> > > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even 
> > > with fluids IV. I don?t know if it is safe to bring her now.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 22:03, Amani Oakley 
> > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > Patricia
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure 
> > > > it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. 
> > > > Very good news on the rosy gingiva.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears 
> > > > to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking 
> > > > to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that 
> > > > the look like a stack of coins ? one on top of the other. In humans, 
> > > > that presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don?t think it 
> > > > means anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a 
> > > >