Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
Hi Lance, I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed with it. There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with dental issues. It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm in any case. Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted. That's odd they suspect calici. Have they been exposed to any other cats? Kelley On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients. I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious. Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain. The vet thinks she might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours to help treat the ulcers. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
Vets around here tend to avoid Metacam and favor Buprenex. I worry about the kidneys with Metacam. Hopefully they went with a minimal dose for Sidney. A dose of longer acting Buprenex seems to be recently popular in my area, for post-dental pain relief. Then the owners don't have to give any pain killer at home. But I have had 2 cats apparently hallucinate on that. One was very mild. She was sitting on my lap, and trying to catch a string or something that was floating in the air just above. It was a very brief occurence. The other had a more pronounced reaction. He thought he saw a mouse and was intent on catching it. Every time I moved what it seemed to be under, there was nothing there, but he made a dash after it to its new hiding place. At first the other cats believed there must be a mouse, and they joined the chase. After about a half hour, they realized there was nothing there and wandered off. He seemed to see it for a another hour or two, but he must have spent around 12 hours checking the places he thought it went. He didn't sleep for more than 24 hours. My vet put a note in his file. Marsha On 2/23/2015 4:27 PM, Lance wrote: The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients. I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious. Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain. The vet thinks she might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours to help treat the ulcers. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lance, I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed with it. There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with dental issues. It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm in any case. Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted. That's odd they suspect calici. Have they been exposed to any other cats? Kelley On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients. I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious. Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain. The vet thinks she might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours to help treat the ulcers. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
Lance, I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated? I've only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just seems odd they would be exposed to it. I wonder if it can lie dormant and surface later? In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine. We had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100% recovery. Kelley On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lance, I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed with it. There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with dental issues. It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm in any case. Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted. That's odd they suspect calici. Have they been exposed to any other cats? Kelley On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients. I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious. Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain. The vet thinks she might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours to help treat the ulcers. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will require deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we give to Sidney. I’ll do it now.” On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: Vets around here tend to avoid Metacam and favor Buprenex. I worry about the kidneys with Metacam. Hopefully they went with a minimal dose for Sidney. A dose of longer acting Buprenex seems to be recently popular in my area, for post-dental pain relief. Then the owners don't have to give any pain killer at home. But I have had 2 cats apparently hallucinate on that. One was very mild. She was sitting on my lap, and trying to catch a string or something that was floating in the air just above. It was a very brief occurence. The other had a more pronounced reaction. He thought he saw a mouse and was intent on catching it. Every time I moved what it seemed to be under, there was nothing there, but he made a dash after it to its new hiding place. At first the other cats believed there must be a mouse, and they joined the chase. After about a half hour, they realized there was nothing there and wandered off. He seemed to see it for a another hour or two, but he must have spent around 12 hours checking the places he thought it went. He didn't sleep for more than 24 hours. My vet put a note in his file. Marsha On 2/23/2015 4:27 PM, Lance wrote: The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients. I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious. Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain. The vet thinks she might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours to help treat the ulcers. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met another cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is Sidney. I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she probably had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent vaccination. On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated? I've only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just seems odd they would be exposed to it. I wonder if it can lie dormant and surface later? In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine. We had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100% recovery. Kelley On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients. I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious. Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain. The vet thinks she might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours to help treat the ulcers. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lance, The c in the FVRCP vaccine is calicivirus. It covers calici, Rhinotracheitis, and Panleukopenia. Current recommendations are for the initial series as a kitten, then a booster not more often than every 3 years. I'm just trying to figure out how on earth she could possibly have been exposed. Kelley On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met another cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is Sidney. I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she probably had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent vaccination. On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated? I've only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just seems odd they would be exposed to it. I wonder if it can lie dormant and surface later? In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine. We had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100% recovery. Kelley On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
I found out last year that the vaccine doesn't cover all possible strains of calicivirus. One area vet told of a severe case of it he'd seen in a cat that had been vaccinated. I too, wonder if upper respiratory viruses can lie dormant. I will never know for sure what Harley had in December, but several months earlier he had an inflammation in his mouth that went away, possibly herpes or calici trying to assert itself. Or maybe it was something else. But whatever it was manifested when we had a temperature inversion that impacted air quality and lasted for something like 10 days. No other cat got sick with a URI, not even Harley's FeLV+ roommate Brock. First part of the illness was a very sore throat inflamed larynx. Harley didn't eat because it was impossible or too painful. The 2nd phase was the nasal part. That's when he developed a fever, and had copious amounts of nasal discharge (couldn't breathe through his nose at all for a day or so), and some eye discharge also. Marsha On 2/23/2015 4:57 PM, Kelley S wrote: Lance, I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated? I've only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just seems odd they would be exposed to it. I wonder if it can lie dormant and surface later? In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine. We had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100% recovery. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sounds like a good plan. On 2/23/2015 4:57 PM, Lance wrote: I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will require deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we give to Sidney. I’ll do it now.” ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
Marsha, I don't think ANY vaccine can possibly hope to cover all the various strains of anything. I just find it so odd that a mature cat would all of a sudden come down with calici, as their immune systems, absent FELV, are quite well developed after a year of age. I'm not a vet and am not trying to doubt their diagnosis. Just trying to figure it out. Kelley On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: Sounds like a good plan. On 2/23/2015 4:57 PM, Lance wrote: I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will require deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we give to Sidney. I’ll do it now.” ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's arguably possible that Sidney brought it in, or is a carrier. Or, even that Callie has had a latent infection that has surfaced. The vaccine has limited efficacy, and duration, so a weakened immune system could contribute. Whatever the cause, I hope hat she rallies quickly! All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com>Sent: Feb 23, 2015 6:10 PM To: felvtalk <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats Lance,The "c" in the FVRCP vaccine is calicivirus. It covers calici,Rhinotracheitis,andPanleukopenia. Current recommendations are for the initial series as akitten, then a booster not more often than every 3 years. I'm just tryingto figure out how on earth she could possibly have been exposed.KelleyOn Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm>wrote: I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met another cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is Sidney. I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she probably had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent vaccination. On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com>wrote: Lance, I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated? I've only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just seems odd they would be exposed to it. I wonder if it can lie dormant and surface later? In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine. We had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100% recovery. Kelley On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm>wrote: Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Are they in your care? Was a CS done on the bacteria, or did they just use Convenia because it's easy? I'm not a big fan, in case you can't tell g. When you say they're not peeing, I'd be doing sub-q fluids on a regular basis, hoping to flush their bladders and make them feel better. For now, I'd drop the dry food completely, if there's a problem with food, that's most likely where it is. Please keep us posted :( Margo -Original Message- From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Sent: Feb 21, 2015 11:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies canned and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ cats, and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It might be coincidental, but it’s suspicious. On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what are you feeding them? Could there be a problem with the food? Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
Honestly at this point I'm thinking infection and get them to the vet asap
Monday.
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:18 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
DOES THEIR BOX OR BOXES GET CLEANED EVERY DAY? I HAVE 4 CATS AT PRESENT
AND 6 BOXES (LEFT OVER FROM 8 CATS) AND THEY ALL GET CLEANED MORNING AND
EVENING TO PREVENT AN INFECTION FROM TRANSFERRING FROM ONE CAT TO ANOTHER.
I USE BLUE BUFFALO MULTI CAT AND WORLD'S GREATEST BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH
BIODEGRADEABLE AND I HAVE AN ESTABLISHED SPOT TO DISPOSE OF USED LITTER.
IT BREAKS DOWN AND BECOMES PART OF THE SOIL.
Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same
time...what are you feeding them? Could there be a problem with the
food?
Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know
what:(
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:13 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA?
IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON?
HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX? WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE
DID NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE. IF THEY USE THE
BOX,
ARE THE URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL?
HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I
SPENT
A FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES. THEY BOTH
WERE
OFF THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND
Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi everyone,
I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are
negatives.
I’m not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel
Ember in
the last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was
tested at
36 days out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative.
Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which
isn’t
unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid
under
the bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing
to
get somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was
tempting
her with, but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized
that
she hadn’t been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that
her
coat seemed different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more
dull,
but not really?
Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not
sure what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism)
though her potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to
her not
eating. They x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal),
palpated her (normal), took temperature (no fever), so they kept her
for
the day to see if they could find out more. After getting a sample,
her vet
said her urine had a lot of bacteria in it. They gave her a shot
(Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see her in two weeks or sooner
if she
doesn’t start to feel better.
Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt
like
he might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been
eating. Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he
didn’t/doesn’t
feel well. He was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only
have a
vague picture of how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in
Sidney’s mouth, but the vet said he might have some inflammation and
scheduled him for a dental. He got fluids and a shot (again, probably
Convenia) and was sent home.
Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning.
He’s
clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal
routine,
whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back
yet, but
she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more
interactive, but nowhere near normal.
We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast
Chicken, treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other
than
keep looking for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on.
I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It
seems unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time.
Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
DOES THEIR BOX OR BOXES GET CLEANED EVERY DAY? I HAVE 4 CATS AT PRESENT AND 6 BOXES (LEFT OVER FROM 8 CATS) AND THEY ALL GET CLEANED MORNING AND EVENING TO PREVENT AN INFECTION FROM TRANSFERRING FROM ONE CAT TO ANOTHER. I USE BLUE BUFFALO MULTI CAT AND WORLD'S GREATEST BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH BIODEGRADEABLE AND I HAVE AN ESTABLISHED SPOT TO DISPOSE OF USED LITTER. IT BREAKS DOWN AND BECOMES PART OF THE SOIL. Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what are you feeding them? Could there be a problem with the food? Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:( On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:13 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA? IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON? HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX? WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE DID NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE. IF THEY USE THE BOX, ARE THE URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL? HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I SPENT A FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES. THEY BOTH WERE OFF THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi everyone, I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are negatives. I’m not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel Ember in the last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was tested at 36 days out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative. Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which isn’t unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid under the bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing to get somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was tempting her with, but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized that she hadn’t been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that her coat seemed different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more dull, but not really? Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not sure what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism) though her potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to her not eating. They x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal), palpated her (normal), took temperature (no fever), so they kept her for the day to see if they could find out more. After getting a sample, her vet said her urine had a lot of bacteria in it. They gave her a shot (Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see her in two weeks or sooner if she doesn’t start to feel better. Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt like he might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been eating. Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he didn’t/doesn’t feel well. He was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only have a vague picture of how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in Sidney’s mouth, but the vet said he might have some inflammation and scheduled him for a dental. He got fluids and a shot (again, probably Convenia) and was sent home. Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning. He’s clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal routine, whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back yet, but she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more interactive, but nowhere near normal. We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast Chicken, treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other than keep looking for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on. I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It seems unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
The cats aren’t in my care, so I don’t get to pick their food or handle vet visits. I think Convenia was done because it’s easy. I used it with Ember once or twice, but I’m not a big fan, either. I’ve read some less than pleasing things about it. I would prefer to get clavamox compounded, but we’re here now. I think both cats are peeing some, though I don’t know how much. Callie drank some last night, and Sidney got fluids at the vet yesterday. Both still aren’t eating today. I will mention the need for a dry food change to my parents. When I last checked Wellness canned was somewhat questionable, but their dry food had a good rating. On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Are they in your care? Was a CS done on the bacteria, or did they just use Convenia because it's easy? I'm not a big fan, in case you can't tell g. When you say they're not peeing, I'd be doing sub-q fluids on a regular basis, hoping to flush their bladders and make them feel better. For now, I'd drop the dry food completely, if there's a problem with food, that's most likely where it is. Please keep us posted :( Margo -Original Message- From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Sent: Feb 21, 2015 11:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies canned and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ cats, and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It might be coincidental, but it’s suspicious. On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what are you feeding them? Could there be a problem with the food? Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
YOU CAN GET A FLUID SET UP FROM THE VET AND IF YOUR MOTHER IS OK WITH IT, SHE COULD GIVE FLUIDS AS DIRECTED TO KEEP THEM HYDRATED. ANYONE I HAD TO DO THAT FOR WAS SO SICK THAT THEY DID NOT GIVE ME ANY TROUBLE. I HUNG THE BAG FROM A SHELF SUPPORT NEXT TO A COMFORTABLE CHAIR, POUT A TOWEL IN MY LAP AND RUBBED AND TALKED TO THEM FOR A MINUTE AND THEN INSERTED THE NEEDLE. YOUR MOM WOULD JUST HAVE TO GT PAST PUTTING THE NEEDLE IN UNDER THE SKIN AND THINKING SHE WAS HURTING THE CATS. THAT BOTHERED ME BUT I KEPT TELLING MYSELF IT WAS THAT OR THEY MIGHT DIE. Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: You can test for dehydration by pulling up the loose skin on the back of the neck and see if it snaps back right away. If it stayed tented, I would get her in immediately. Marsha On 2/22/2015 2:08 PM, Lance wrote: Thanks again, everyone. Both cats are going at 7:30 tomorrow morning. We do have an emergency clinic, and I’m trying to figure out if I should push for Callie to go there today. Unfortunately, Callie’s vet didn’t give her fluids on Friday, but he’s a trustworthy vet, and he might not have seen the need at the point. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
Thanks again, everyone. Both cats are going at 7:30 tomorrow morning. We do have an emergency clinic, and I’m trying to figure out if I should push for Callie to go there today. Unfortunately, Callie’s vet didn’t give her fluids on Friday, but he’s a trustworthy vet, and he might not have seen the need at the point. On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: If they're not eating or drinking, and it's been more than 2 days, they're going to need supportive care like sub-Q fluids and either syringe feeding or an NG tube. They need to go back to the vet tomorrow, I think. Marsha On 2/22/2015 1:01 PM, Lance wrote: Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Neither cat is eating today, and neither will drink, either. They show some interest in these things, but decline. Sidney is behaving closer to normal, but Callie is slow, quiet, and staying more out of sight than normal. When my mom got a small amount of water into Callie earlier, she noticed that her tongue was red on the sides and at the front. I’ve had some bad experiences with Dr. Google lately, so I’m not trusting his input, but is this something any of you have seen? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
You can test for dehydration by pulling up the loose skin on the back of the neck and see if it snaps back right away. If it stayed tented, I would get her in immediately. Marsha On 2/22/2015 2:08 PM, Lance wrote: Thanks again, everyone. Both cats are going at 7:30 tomorrow morning. We do have an emergency clinic, and I’m trying to figure out if I should push for Callie to go there today. Unfortunately, Callie’s vet didn’t give her fluids on Friday, but he’s a trustworthy vet, and he might not have seen the need at the point. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
I appreciate your thoughts. I told my parents that sub-q fluids might be required. The vet might get us something like that tomorrow. The good news is that Callie’s scruff didn’t tent, so it doesn’t appear that she’s badly dehydrated. My mom is giving her between 5-9 ml of water every two hours. I hope that will help keep her fluids up enough until her vet visit tomorrow morning. On Feb 22, 2015, at 5:35 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: YOU CAN GET A FLUID SET UP FROM THE VET AND IF YOUR MOTHER IS OK WITH IT, SHE COULD GIVE FLUIDS AS DIRECTED TO KEEP THEM HYDRATED. ANYONE I HAD TO DO THAT FOR WAS SO SICK THAT THEY DID NOT GIVE ME ANY TROUBLE. I HUNG THE BAG FROM A SHELF SUPPORT NEXT TO A COMFORTABLE CHAIR, POUT A TOWEL IN MY LAP AND RUBBED AND TALKED TO THEM FOR A MINUTE AND THEN INSERTED THE NEEDLE. YOUR MOM WOULD JUST HAVE TO GT PAST PUTTING THE NEEDLE IN UNDER THE SKIN AND THINKING SHE WAS HURTING THE CATS. THAT BOTHERED ME BUT I KEPT TELLING MYSELF IT WAS THAT OR THEY MIGHT DIE. Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: You can test for dehydration by pulling up the loose skin on the back of the neck and see if it snaps back right away. If it stayed tented, I would get her in immediately. Marsha On 2/22/2015 2:08 PM, Lance wrote: Thanks again, everyone. Both cats are going at 7:30 tomorrow morning. We do have an emergency clinic, and I’m trying to figure out if I should push for Callie to go there today. Unfortunately, Callie’s vet didn’t give her fluids on Friday, but he’s a trustworthy vet, and he might not have seen the need at the point. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA? IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON? HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX? WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE DID NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE. IF THEY USE THE BOX, ARE THE URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL? HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I SPENT A FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES. THEY BOTH WERE OFF THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi everyone, I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are negatives. I’m not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel Ember in the last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was tested at 36 days out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative. Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which isn’t unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid under the bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing to get somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was tempting her with, but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized that she hadn’t been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that her coat seemed different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more dull, but not really? Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not sure what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism) though her potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to her not eating. They x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal), palpated her (normal), took temperature (no fever), so they kept her for the day to see if they could find out more. After getting a sample, her vet said her urine had a lot of bacteria in it. They gave her a shot (Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see her in two weeks or sooner if she doesn’t start to feel better. Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt like he might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been eating. Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he didn’t/doesn’t feel well. He was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only have a vague picture of how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in Sidney’s mouth, but the vet said he might have some inflammation and scheduled him for a dental. He got fluids and a shot (again, probably Convenia) and was sent home. Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning. He’s clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal routine, whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back yet, but she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more interactive, but nowhere near normal. We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast Chicken, treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other than keep looking for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on. I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It seems unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what are you feeding them? Could there be a problem with the food? Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:( On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:13 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA? IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON? HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX? WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE DID NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE. IF THEY USE THE BOX, ARE THE URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL? HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I SPENT A FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES. THEY BOTH WERE OFF THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi everyone, I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are negatives. I’m not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel Ember in the last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was tested at 36 days out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative. Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which isn’t unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid under the bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing to get somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was tempting her with, but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized that she hadn’t been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that her coat seemed different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more dull, but not really? Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not sure what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism) though her potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to her not eating. They x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal), palpated her (normal), took temperature (no fever), so they kept her for the day to see if they could find out more. After getting a sample, her vet said her urine had a lot of bacteria in it. They gave her a shot (Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see her in two weeks or sooner if she doesn’t start to feel better. Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt like he might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been eating. Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he didn’t/doesn’t feel well. He was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only have a vague picture of how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in Sidney’s mouth, but the vet said he might have some inflammation and scheduled him for a dental. He got fluids and a shot (again, probably Convenia) and was sent home. Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning. He’s clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal routine, whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back yet, but she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more interactive, but nowhere near normal. We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast Chicken, treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other than keep looking for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on. I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It seems unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
DO YOU HAVE A WATER FOUNTAIN? THEY ARE GREAT AND MY CATS LOVE BOTH OF THEIRS. Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies canned and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ cats, and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It might be coincidental, but it’s suspicious. On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what are you feeding them? Could there be a problem with the food? Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
FOR SURE, GET THEM ON BETTER FOOD, SOMETHING WITHOUT WHEAT, CORN OR SOY. I HAVE GONE TO BLUE BUFFALO AND THEY HAVE A RABBIT AND DUCK THAT MY CATS LOVE. Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies canned and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ cats, and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It might be coincidental, but it’s suspicious. On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what are you feeding them? Could there be a problem with the food? Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies canned and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ cats, and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It might be coincidental, but it’s suspicious. On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what are you feeding them? Could there be a problem with the food? Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
Sidney’s urine wasn’t tested. Unfortunately, he didn’t see the same vet that Callie did. That would have helped. I don’t think we have any indoor plants that are new or unusual. Sidney goes outside, but does not leave the fenced-in yard. Callie is an indoor cat. Since Sidney goes out, he does his business outside most of the time. I’m not aware of any pee accidents inside, but Callie hasn’t drank much for the last two days. On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:13 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA? IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON? HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX? WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE DID NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE. IF THEY USE THE BOX, ARE THE URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL? HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I SPENT A FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES. THEY BOTH WERE OFF THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
