Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Absolute emergency A blocked cat who cannot urinate will die. Get to the vet ASAP, and then join the FLUTD group. (Feline lower urinary tract) fl...@yahoogroups.com THey have taught me so much. BTW, the name of the surgery is perineal uresthrostomy or PU surgery. Lorrie On 09-11, Beth wrote: >I agree, left alone the condition is lethal. > > __ > >call the vet immediately.. Did he have the surgery to remove >his penis, can't think of the name of it, sorry, or did he just have a >blockage that was unblocked previously?? If he can't pass urine, that >is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of inflammation and/or >bladder spasms, but this could lead to another blockage, so the sooner >you treat this the better. Is he urinating at all? My cat, Jack, had a >blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin Urinary SO >canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD and >Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he >has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in >it. That's when I joined the yahoo group on FLUTD cats and decided to >go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, non fish or grain >foods. Here is the link to join >[2]http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ > >That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. >It's a very active group, and a few of the most >knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. >Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little >extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it. >There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, >stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that >many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really >have a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. >The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and >different treatment, many holistic. >Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him >know what is going on. >Shelley >On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: >> Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; >crystals in urine (itâs happened before, in fact he had surgery to >widen the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them >today). Also a pill called âUroezeâ to help keep crystals from forming >(3x daily!). But he is still having problems â pee spots around the >house, heâs restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel >so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable. And he looks at me a >meows! I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on >the way home), but donât know what to do. He wonât eat the CD food >designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. >> Any ideas? Iâd sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! >> Thanks >> Bonnie >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >[4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o >rg >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >[5]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >[6]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o >rg > > References > >1. http://www.furkids.org/ >2. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ >3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >5. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >6. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
I know, the food issue is and issue! I would feed them frozen (thawed) mice if I thought it'd keep them healthy! No "magic formula" I guess. When it comes down to it, human animals face similar problems. Our diet helps or hurts us, depending. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Struvite crystals have always been the cu;print here. Margo wrote: > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
MY BOBBY DID DIE. ALSO LITTLE NITNOY. Beth wrote: > I wasn't trying to be discouraging, but it is an urgent situation that > requires immediate attention from a vet. I had a cat with a urinary blockage > & she almost died. I'd hate to see your lose your baby. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Bonnie Hogue To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement. I just called & made an appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes. And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful. He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something. Guess I can re-arrange feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter! I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this but guess not. He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be my mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my family.” He’s a great tuxedo guy too, really smart. Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him. He’s sure helped me and my family through tough times. Thanks again, all. Really appreciate your help! Bonnie From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals I agree, left alone the condition is lethal. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From:Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Hi Bonnie, So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues. If he is going in the litter box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him back in or call the vet immediately. Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, sorry, or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously?? If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better. Is he urinating at all? My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD and Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it. That's when I joined the yahoo group on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, non fish or grain foods. Here is the link to join http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ you have to join to see messages. That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. It's a very active group, and a few of the most knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it. There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different treatment, many holistic. Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know what is going on. Shelley On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; > crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the > urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a > pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he > is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just > tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be > uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet > (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He > won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. > Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! > Thanks > Bonnie > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleuke
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Had not heard that about Wellness before, may have to watch it because of Harley and Homey who is female, but does have problems with bladder infections. DAMN, WHY CAN;'T WE FIND A FOOD THAT DOESEN'T CAUSE PROBLEMS? Shelley Theye wrote: > Hi Bonnie, > > Great that you are taking him in, good luck at the vet visit. Hope he gets > some relief. > > This is just anecdotal, but numerous folks on the FLUTD list have had their > cats block while feeding Wellness brand. > Probably best to avoid that brand, or if you use it, rotate with other brands > so he doesn't eat it exclusively. The thought is > that some of the fruits, etc. might be raising the pH too high in cats that > are susceptible to FLUTD? > Canned is better than dry, because the more dilute the urine, the better I > think. flushes out the bladder, and > keeps the pH more neutral. At least that is what I have read. > > This website is great because there is so much info on urinary tract stuff- > http://www.catinfo.org > > Shelley > > On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > > > Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement. I just called & made an > > appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes. > > And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful. > > He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with > > this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something. Guess I can > > re-arrange feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter! > > I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this > > but guess not. He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be > > my mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my > > family.” He’s a great tuxedo guy too, really smart. > > Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him. He’s sure helped me and > > my family through tough times. > > Thanks again, all. Really appreciate your help! > > Bonnie > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > Beth > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals > > > > I agree, left alone the condition is lethal. > > > > > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org > > > > > > From: Shelley Theye > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals > > > > Hi Bonnie, > > > > So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues. If he is going in the litter > > box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him > > back in or call the vet immediately. > > > > Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, > > sorry, > > or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously?? > > > > If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot > > of inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this > > could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better. > > Is he urinating at all? > > > > My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin > > Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including > > CD and Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because > > he has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in > > it. That's when I joined the yahoo group > > on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed > > canned, non fish or grain foods. > > > > Here is the link to join http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ you > > have to join to see messages. > > That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. It's > > a very active group, and a few of the most > > knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. > > > > Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little > > extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it. > > There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, > > stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that > > many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have > > a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. > > The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and > > different treatment, many holistic. > > > > Hope he starts to feel
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Struvite crystals have always been the cu;print here. Margo wrote: > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
2 things I can think of right away, does he get enough water and try some apple cider vinegar, not th ovcer processed stuff, get Bragg's, shake it up and add a few drops to his water. I have gone thru this with both males and females. Doesn't always work, sometimes I get it started too late. Try a good food (Blue Buffalo or Wellness) and add 1 can of warm water to each can. This way he gets enough water and the warm water makes it smell more to entice him to eat. Time to get back to the vet. Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; > crystals in urine (it's happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the > urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a > pill called "Uroeze" to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he > is still having problems - pee spots around the house, he's restless, just > tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be > uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet > (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don't know what to do. > He won't eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. > > Any ideas? I'd sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! > > Thanks > > Bonnie > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
I wasn't trying to be discouraging, but it is an urgent situation that requires immediate attention from a vet. I had a cat with a urinary blockage & she almost died. I'd hate to see your lose your baby. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Bonnie Hogue To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement. I just called & made an appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes. And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful. He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something. Guess I can re-arrange feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter! I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this but guess not. He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be my mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my family.” He’s a great tuxedo guy too, really smart. Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him. He’s sure helped me and my family through tough times. Thanks again, all. Really appreciate your help! Bonnie From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals I agree, left alone the condition is lethal. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From:Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Hi Bonnie, So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues. If he is going in the litter box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him back in or call the vet immediately. Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, sorry, or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously?? If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better. Is he urinating at all? My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD and Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it. That's when I joined the yahoo group on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, non fish or grain foods. Here is the link to join http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ you have to join to see messages. That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. It's a very active group, and a few of the most knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it. There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different treatment, many holistic. Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know what is going on. Shelley On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; > crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the > urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a > pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he > is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just > tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be > uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet > (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He > won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. > Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! > Thanks > Bonnie > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Hi Bonnie, Great that you are taking him in, good luck at the vet visit. Hope he gets some relief. This is just anecdotal, but numerous folks on the FLUTD list have had their cats block while feeding Wellness brand. Probably best to avoid that brand, or if you use it, rotate with other brands so he doesn't eat it exclusively. The thought is that some of the fruits, etc. might be raising the pH too high in cats that are susceptible to FLUTD? Canned is better than dry, because the more dilute the urine, the better I think. flushes out the bladder, and keeps the pH more neutral. At least that is what I have read. This website is great because there is so much info on urinary tract stuff- http://www.catinfo.org Shelley On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement. I just called & made an > appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes. > And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful. > He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with > this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something. Guess I can > re-arrange feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter! > I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this but > guess not. He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be my > mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my family.” > He’s a great tuxedo guy too, really smart. > Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him. He’s sure helped me and my > family through tough times. > Thanks again, all. Really appreciate your help! > Bonnie > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals > > I agree, left alone the condition is lethal. > > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org > > > From: Shelley Theye > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals > > Hi Bonnie, > > So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues. If he is going in the litter > box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him > back in or call the vet immediately. > > Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, > sorry, > or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously?? > > If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of > inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this > could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better. Is > he urinating at all? > > My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin > Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD > and Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has > Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it. > That's when I joined the yahoo group > on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed > canned, non fish or grain foods. > > Here is the link to join http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ you > have to join to see messages. > That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. It's a > very active group, and a few of the most > knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. > > Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra > water too, no grain, and he does great on it. > There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, > stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that > many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a > UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. > The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different > treatment, many holistic. > > Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know > what is going on. > Shelley > > > > On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > > > Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; > > crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen > > the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). > > Also a pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). > > But he is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s > > restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for > > him -- he must be uncomfor
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Great information, Margo. Thanks a million! I have some questions for my vet. Lucky was on Antrobe Aquadrops for a u.t.i. If it isn’t crystals, I wonder what it could be. Maybe still u.t.i.? the vet didn’t say anything about idiopathis cystitis (that I recall). Lucky eats (as do the other 3 in the house) Evo turkey dry food – no grains. Another ver suggested it is a good all around cat food and she’s never seen a cat develop crystals on it. I’m wondering if I should get another vet opinion…but this seems so straightforward (common?). Thanks again Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Hi Bonnie, I can relate. Two of my positives are also struvite crystal formers.Two main questions. What is he eating? Was a culture and sensitivity done to confirm actual bacterial infection, or did the Vet just prescribe abx, and what was Lucky taking? Uroeze is a urine acidifier, so I guess you're dealing with struvite stones. It's very unusual for a cat to block after PU surgery, so likely the crystals aren't the cause of his discomfort. Has your Vet mentioned Idiopathis cystitis? http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=612 If he's taking the Uroeze, he should NOT eat c/d or any other food designed to prevent struvite crystals. That wouls be way to much, and push towards possible oxylate formation. He should eat exclusively canned food, but just "regular" grain free, high meat (no filler) food. If you prefer to have a prescription food rather than the uroeze, there are other brands that may be more palatable. Try different kinds. Wishing you both the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: Sep 10, 2013 11:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! Thanks Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement. I just called & made an appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes. And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful. He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something. Guess I can re-arrange feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter! I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this but guess not. He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be my mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my family.” He’s a great tuxedo guy too, really smart. Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him. He’s sure helped me and my family through tough times. Thanks again, all. Really appreciate your help! Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals I agree, left alone the condition is lethal. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif> www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> _ From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Hi Bonnie, So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues. If he is going in the litter box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him back in or call the vet immediately. Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, sorry, or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously?? If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better. Is he urinating at all? My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD and Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it. That's when I joined the yahoo group on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, non fish or grain foods. Here is the link to join http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ <http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/> you have to join to see messages. That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. It's a very active group, and a few of the most knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it. There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different treatment, many holistic. Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know what is going on. Shelley On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; > crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the > urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a > pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he > is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just > tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be > uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet > (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He > won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. > Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! > Thanks > Bonnie > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree, left alone the condition is lethal. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Hi Bonnie, So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues. If he is going in the litter box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him back in or call the vet immediately. Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, sorry, or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously?? If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better. Is he urinating at all? My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD and Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it. That's when I joined the yahoo group on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, non fish or grain foods. Here is the link to join http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ you have to join to see messages. That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. It's a very active group, and a few of the most knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it. There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different treatment, many holistic. Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know what is going on. Shelley On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; > crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the > urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a > pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he > is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just > tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be > uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet > (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He > won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. > Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! > Thanks > Bonnie > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Bonnie, I can relate. Two of my positives are also struvite crystal formers.Two main questions. What is he eating? Was a culture and sensitivity done to confirm actual bacterial infection, or did the Vet just prescribe abx, and what was Lucky taking? Uroeze is a urine acidifier, so I guess you're dealing with struvite stones. It's very unusual for a cat to block after PU surgery, so likely the crystals aren't the cause of his discomfort. Has your Vet mentioned Idiopathis cystitis? http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=612 If he's taking the Uroeze, he should NOT eat c/d or any other food designed to prevent struvite crystals. That wouls be way to much, and push towards possible oxylate formation. He should eat exclusively canned food, but just "regular" grain free, high meat (no filler) food. If you prefer to have a prescription food rather than the uroeze, there are other brands that may be more palatable. Try different kinds. Wishing you both the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: Sep 10, 2013 11:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! Thanks Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Hi Bonnie, So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues. If he is going in the litter box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him back in or call the vet immediately. Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, sorry, or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously?? If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better. Is he urinating at all? My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD and Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it. That's when I joined the yahoo group on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, non fish or grain foods. Here is the link to join http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/you have to join to see messages. That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. It's a very active group, and a few of the most knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it. There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different treatment, many holistic. Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know what is going on. Shelley On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; > crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the > urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a > pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he > is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just > tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be > uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet > (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He > won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. > Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! > Thanks > Bonnie > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; crystals in urine (it's happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a pill called "Uroeze" to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he is still having problems - pee spots around the house, he's restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don't know what to do. He won't eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. Any ideas? I'd sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! Thanks Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
