Re: [Felvtalk] on another note...

2013-12-16 Thread Lorrie
I can understand your mom's reluctance to have Callie retested, but
I'd rather know one way or the other.  However, I have had extensive
experience with FelV pos. cats and I have never seen diarrhea as a
symptom of the virus.

Lorrie


On 12-15, Lance wrote:

> The bite seems to be about the same as it was yesterday, though maybe a
> little less red where the actual teeth penetration occurred. Fortunately,
> no pink lines are other odd marks have showed up near the wound. I didn?t
> go to the clinic, since things look like they?re doing well. My health has
> been a little funky for the last six months, but I feel like my immune
> system is in reasonably good shape.
> 
> Anyway, some of you may remember that my FeLV+ (Ember) probably bit an
> FeLV- (Callie) who hasn?t been vaccinated since her kitten days seven
> years ago. Callie, who was almost definitely FeLV- before this encounter,
> tested negative at 37 days post-exposure, but she wasn?t retested at the
> usual 90 day mark. She?s my mom?s cat, and my mom is reluctant to test. I
> think she just doesn?t want to know. While I understand that, the anxiety
> from not knowing occasionally really gets to me, and there are things we
> could do for Callie to prolong her life, despite what my parents seem to
> think.
> 
> Callie has had bouts of diarrhea since the encounter. I don?t know if she
> had anything like this before it, as I didn?t really pay close attention
> to that aspect of her life. She had frequent runny poops in June and July
> (around the time of the negative FeLV test), then the frequency went down,
> **as far as I know and have been told**.
> 
> Since around August, the runny poops hit daily for one to three days every
> three to four weeks. Again, this is from what I can gather. Earlier today,
> Callie had a normal poop, but in the same bowel movement, there was some
> watery stool on top of the normal stuff. If she?s positive, what could
> this be, other than lymphoma? If she ISN?T positive, then what might this
> be? Very odd that it happens every few weeks.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Lance

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Re: [Felvtalk] on another note...

2013-12-15 Thread dlgegg
RE:  stools, vomiting, I have noticed that for Casey, it is eating like a 
glutton, hurl food 10" into her bowl and across the floor or Harley or Dee 
irritate her and she hurls .  Her loose stools I have not figured out yet.  
They come and go at irregular intervals.  It could be that they are also tied 
to irritation.  IS IT POSSIBLE THAT CALLIE IS EASILY IRRITATED, HAS A SHORT 
FUSE?  Also could be because she ((CASEY) came from a shelter, had been locked 
in an 8' x 10' cage with several younger cats for a year.  She has been tested 
for parasites of all kinds.  Lil Bit was there with Casey but her only bad 
effects were that she hid from the others.  I finally put a litter box in the 
closet for her.  She could get in and out for water and I brought her food to 
the closet every feeding time so she could eat in peace and quiet.  She passed 
earlier this year of a urinary track infection at 15 years.  Annie also gets 
irritated with the "children" but she does not vomit or get loose stools, just 
hisses, slaps at them and then runs and hides.  She was an only cat for 4 years 
and lived with her owner in a small trailer.  Her owner had cancer and if she 
could not find a good home for her was going to put her to sleep.  My vet kept 
working on me until I gave in and took her.  The next day Kathy passed.  Her 
sister put Annie in a box, brought her to the vet and I picked her up in my 
carrier and brought her home to a large house with a basement.  She was 
terrified of 2 people and 1 cat and stayed in the basement for 2 weeks and came 
up when all was quiet and ate.  She is now 8 years, FELV positive and healthy 
as can be.  In fact she has less health problems than the others.  Everyone is 
on Blue Buffalo dry with canned food at least once a week and especially if I 
am gone all day.  We have 2 water fountains and everyone drinks sufficient 
water. AS FOR CLEANING, i USE VINEGAR AND WATER, HAVE NO CARPETS TO CLEAN.  I 
ALSO VACUUM ALMOST EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF CAT HAIR FROM 5 CATS.  PEOPLE AROUND 
HERE THINK I AM CRAZY FOR PAYING SO MUCH ATTENTION TO MY CATS, BUT IT IS BETTER 
TO PAY ATTENTION THAN LET THEM GET SICK.  
I JUST WISH THEY COULD TELL US WHAT IS WRONG.


 Lee Evans  wrote: 
> With Callie's weird stools, I don't feel it would be lymphoma. More likely, 
> if it happens on a schedule, as you said every few weeks, it's environmental. 
> Does your mom have the house cleaned with something that Callie could inhale 
> or ingest? 

Does she buy different cat foods for the cats? Maybe run out of one cat food, 
buy another every few weeks? Check out things like that.

Well, I'm not a big fan of testing any more. My poor Bunny was tested when she 
was brought to me and was positive for FeLv. I kept her more than the required 
time, retested and she was negative. We all cheered. She lived with me a little 
under a year from then. She came as an 8 month old teen, was spayed and given 
the rabies vaccine. Stayed healthy after her retest until October of this year. 
Then she just faded. She stopped playing, stopped being a silly nuisance to 
Delilah and Samson and finally stopped eating. I took her to the vet because I 
noticed her gums looked pale. Not flea anemia. He retested her and she was 
positive for FeLv. He explained that maybe the first test was a false negative 
or maybe the virus was lurking in the bone marrow as well as the regular place 
in the blood. He gave her a vitamin shot, gave her anti-biotic shot and she 
seemed to rally for a couple of days, ate a bit, then on Oct. 31 she just lay 
down in the bed I made for her
>  on the floor and passed away. So, tests are just that - tests but they are 
> not crystal balls and can't predict what will happen to a cat in the future 
> when it comes to FeLv. Bunny would have been two years old in April, 2014. On 
> the other hand, Moses, who overcame the positive FeLv diagnosis and turned 
> negative, is still with me after 7 years.





On Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:10 PM, Lance  wrote:
 
The bite seems to be about the same as it was yesterday, though maybe a little 
less red where the actual teeth penetration occurred. Fortunately, no pink 
lines are other odd marks have showed up near the wound. I didn’t go to the 
clinic, since things look like they’re doing well. My health has been a little 
funky for the last six months, but I feel like my immune system is in 
reasonably good shape. 
>
>Anyway, some of you may remember that my FeLV+ (Ember) probably bit an FeLV- 
>(Callie) who hasn’t been vaccinated since her kitten days seven years ago. 
>Callie, who was almost definitely FeLV- before this encounter, tested negative 
>at 37 days post-exposure, but she wasn’t retested at the usual 90 day mark. 
>She’s my mom’s cat, and my mom is reluctant to test. I think she just doesn’t 
>want to know. While I understand that, the anxiety from not knowing 
>occasionally really gets to me, and there are things we could do for Callie to 
>prolong her life,

Re: [Felvtalk] on another note...

2013-12-15 Thread Lance
Good point. I’ve been wondering about the possible pattern nature of this, too, 
Lee. I don’t know what would fall into that, other than possibly a flavor of 
the food they eat gets rotated in that does this. As far as I know, there’s 
nothing environmental that would account for this. Just not sure. 

I’m sorry to hear about Bunny. FeLV seems so random, and the ELISA doesn’t 
always seem reliable. I worry that Callie’s initial negative test was false. I 
think a PCR test could potentially catch an otherwise invisible infection, but 
I’m pretty sure those aren’t offered here in the US. I’m glad Moses is still 
doing well. My FeLV+ girl is over 11 1/2 years old, and no matter how she got 
it, she was definitely persistently infected as of March 2006. She has minor 
sneezing issues on occasion, and she used to get diarrhea very rarely. 
Otherwise, she’s pretty normal—for a cat, anyway. ;-)

On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:39 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> With Callie's weird stools, I don't feel it would be lymphoma. More likely, 
> if it happens on a schedule, as you said every few weeks, it's environmental. 
> Does your mom have the house cleaned with something that Callie could inhale 
> or ingest? Does she buy different cat foods for the cats? Maybe run out of 
> one cat food, buy another every few weeks? Check out things like that.
> 
> Well, I'm not a big fan of testing any more. My poor Bunny was tested when 
> she was brought to me and was positive for FeLv. I kept her more than the 
> required time, retested and she was negative. We all cheered. She lived with 
> me a little under a year from then. She came as an 8 month old teen, was 
> spayed and given the rabies vaccine. Stayed healthy after her retest until 
> October of this year. Then she just faded. She stopped playing, stopped being 
> a silly nuisance to Delilah and Samson and finally stopped eating. I took her 
> to the vet because I noticed her gums looked pale. Not flea anemia. He 
> retested her and she was positive for FeLv. He explained that maybe the first 
> test was a false negative or maybe the virus was lurking in the bone marrow 
> as well as the regular place in the blood. He gave her a vitamin shot, gave 
> her anti-biotic shot and she seemed to rally for a couple of days, ate a bit, 
> then on Oct. 31 she just lay down in the bed I made for her on the floor and 
> passed away. So, tests are just that - tests but they are not crystal balls 
> and can't predict what will happen to a cat in the future when it comes to 
> FeLv. Bunny would have been two years old in April, 2014. On the other hand, 
> Moses, who overcame the positive FeLv diagnosis and turned negative, is still 
> with me after 7 years.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:10 PM, Lance  wrote:
> The bite seems to be about the same as it was yesterday, though maybe a 
> little less red where the actual teeth penetration occurred. Fortunately, no 
> pink lines are other odd marks have showed up near the wound. I didn’t go to 
> the clinic, since things look like they’re doing well. My health has been a 
> little funky for the last six months, but I feel like my immune system is in 
> reasonably good shape. 
> 
> Anyway, some of you may remember that my FeLV+ (Ember) probably bit an FeLV- 
> (Callie) who hasn’t been vaccinated since her kitten days seven years ago. 
> Callie, who was almost definitely FeLV- before this encounter, tested 
> negative at 37 days post-exposure, but she wasn’t retested at the usual 90 
> day mark. She’s my mom’s cat, and my mom is reluctant to test. I think she 
> just doesn’t want to know. While I understand that, the anxiety from not 
> knowing occasionally really gets to me, and there are things we could do for 
> Callie to prolong her life, despite what my parents seem to think.
> 
> Callie has had bouts of diarrhea since the encounter. I don’t know if she had 
> anything like this before it, as I didn’t really pay close attention to that 
> aspect of her life. She had frequent runny poops in June and July (around the 
> time of the negative FeLV test), then the frequency went down, **as far as I 
> know and have been told**. 
> 
> Since around August, the runny poops hit daily for one to three days every 
> three to four weeks. Again, this is from what I can gather. Earlier today, 
> Callie had a normal poop, but in the same bowel movement, there was some 
> watery stool on top of the normal stuff. If she’s positive, what could this 
> be, other than lymphoma? If she ISN’T positive, then what might this be? Very 
> odd that it happens every few weeks.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] on another note...

2013-12-15 Thread Lee Evans
With Callie's weird stools, I don't feel it would be lymphoma. More likely, if 
it happens on a schedule, as you said every few weeks, it's environmental. Does 
your mom have the house cleaned with something that Callie could inhale or 
ingest? Does she buy different cat foods for the cats? Maybe run out of one cat 
food, buy another every few weeks? Check out things like that.

Well, I'm not a big fan of testing any more. My poor Bunny was tested when she 
was brought to me and was positive for FeLv. I kept her more than the required 
time, retested and she was negative. We all cheered. She lived with me a little 
under a year from then. She came as an 8 month old teen, was spayed and given 
the rabies vaccine. Stayed healthy after her retest until October of this year. 
Then she just faded. She stopped playing, stopped being a silly nuisance to 
Delilah and Samson and finally stopped eating. I took her to the vet because I 
noticed her gums looked pale. Not flea anemia. He retested her and she was 
positive for FeLv. He explained that maybe the first test was a false negative 
or maybe the virus was lurking in the bone marrow as well as the regular place 
in the blood. He gave her a vitamin shot, gave her anti-biotic shot and she 
seemed to rally for a couple of days, ate a bit, then on Oct. 31 she just lay 
down in the bed I made for her
 on the floor and passed away. So, tests are just that - tests but they are not 
crystal balls and can't predict what will happen to a cat in the future when it 
comes to FeLv. Bunny would have been two years old in April, 2014. On the other 
hand, Moses, who overcame the positive FeLv diagnosis and turned negative, is 
still with me after 7 years.





On Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:10 PM, Lance  wrote:
 
The bite seems to be about the same as it was yesterday, though maybe a little 
less red where the actual teeth penetration occurred. Fortunately, no pink 
lines are other odd marks have showed up near the wound. I didn’t go to the 
clinic, since things look like they’re doing well. My health has been a little 
funky for the last six months, but I feel like my immune system is in 
reasonably good shape. 
>
>Anyway, some of you may remember that my FeLV+ (Ember) probably bit an FeLV- 
>(Callie) who hasn’t been vaccinated since her kitten days seven years ago. 
>Callie, who was almost definitely FeLV- before this encounter, tested negative 
>at 37 days post-exposure, but she wasn’t retested at the usual 90 day mark. 
>She’s my mom’s cat, and my mom is reluctant to test. I think she just doesn’t 
>want to know. While I understand that, the anxiety from not knowing 
>occasionally really gets to me, and there are things we could do for Callie to 
>prolong her life, despite what my parents seem to think.
>
>Callie has had bouts of diarrhea since the encounter. I don’t know if she had 
>anything like this before it, as I didn’t really pay close attention to that 
>aspect of her life. She had frequent runny poops in June and July (around the 
>time of the negative FeLV test), then the frequency went down, **as far as I 
>know and have been told**. 
>
>Since around August, the runny poops hit daily for one to three days every 
>three to four weeks. Again, this is from what I can gather. Earlier today, 
>Callie had a normal poop, but in the same bowel movement, there was some 
>watery stool on top of the normal stuff. If she’s positive, what could this 
>be, other than lymphoma? If she ISN’T positive, then what might this be? Very 
>odd that it happens every few weeks.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Lance
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[Felvtalk] on another note...

2013-12-15 Thread Lance
The bite seems to be about the same as it was yesterday, though maybe a little 
less red where the actual teeth penetration occurred. Fortunately, no pink 
lines are other odd marks have showed up near the wound. I didn’t go to the 
clinic, since things look like they’re doing well. My health has been a little 
funky for the last six months, but I feel like my immune system is in 
reasonably good shape. 

Anyway, some of you may remember that my FeLV+ (Ember) probably bit an FeLV- 
(Callie) who hasn’t been vaccinated since her kitten days seven years ago. 
Callie, who was almost definitely FeLV- before this encounter, tested negative 
at 37 days post-exposure, but she wasn’t retested at the usual 90 day mark. 
She’s my mom’s cat, and my mom is reluctant to test. I think she just doesn’t 
want to know. While I understand that, the anxiety from not knowing 
occasionally really gets to me, and there are things we could do for Callie to 
prolong her life, despite what my parents seem to think.

Callie has had bouts of diarrhea since the encounter. I don’t know if she had 
anything like this before it, as I didn’t really pay close attention to that 
aspect of her life. She had frequent runny poops in June and July (around the 
time of the negative FeLV test), then the frequency went down, **as far as I 
know and have been told**. 

Since around August, the runny poops hit daily for one to three days every 
three to four weeks. Again, this is from what I can gather. Earlier today, 
Callie had a normal poop, but in the same bowel movement, there was some watery 
stool on top of the normal stuff. If she’s positive, what could this be, other 
than lymphoma? If she ISN’T positive, then what might this be? Very odd that it 
happens every few weeks.

Thanks,

Lance
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