RE: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Title: Message Hadto chuckle at your self-desciption, Michelle! Must remember that one! (I'm still catching up on posts) Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home Yes, I am very lucky to have found him. Sometimes he seems too good to be true. Especially since I often seem like a "special needs" partner! Michelle In a message dated 2/17/05 9:58:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, your Gray seems like a wonderful human, you chose well.Nina This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Hi Michelle, Charlie sounds like a great guy and with you in his corner, I'm sure things will work out very well for him! Since he is in close proximity to a sheep and a horse, is it possibly that they have some kind of a parasite that he's picked up? I'm thinking especially of lice, although you don't usually see that kind of hair loss. Have they ruled out ringworm? Chappy (FeLV+) had such severe ringworm that his hair was falling out in huge patches overnight; it was not the typical kind of ringworm-y lesions, either. It was like he simply went bald in spots overnight. Possibly he had a more severe reaction because he, too, was immuno-compromised. I guess my point is, they had to actually do a skin scraping and culture it because even the Wood's lamp test didn't fluoresce the way it normally does, so maybe it shouldn't be ruledout if this additional testing hasn't been done. Hope this helps; wishing the best for Charlie. I've already committed to picking up a new FIV+ kitty (tonight, actually), so the timing is really rotten. I'll keep him in my thoughts and let you know ASAP if I hear of anything in CT. Love, Julie I am writing to see if anyone has any ideas. I go to the local shelter, where my positives came from, twice a day to take care of Lamby, a disabled sheep who lives in the feral cat yard (she is very popular among the cats and has convinced a number of them to trust us too!). At this shelter, the ferals are put into a large yard, with access to the hay loft of a barn. The shelter also puts non-feral cats out there who can not be adopted, sometimes because they are FIV+ (I do not agree with mixing in this way, but at least they do not kill any of them). A cat who was brought there about 6 months ago, Charlie, was diabetic. Since I am in the yard twice a day anyway, I agreed to give him his shots. Luckily, his diabetes went away, at least for now, and he no longer needs insulin. HOWEVER... Charlie is a huge, long-haired black cat, extremely beautiful and cuddly and mellow and sort of looks like a bear, normally. A few weeks ago I noticed a bunch of his hair was coming out, and upon inspection found he had a number of bald spots with bite and scratch marks, clearly self-induced. I brought him to the vet and the vet said he had terrible ear mites, for which they treated him, and probably also contact dermatitis of unknown origin. The vet gave him a shot of Vetalog, a steroid often used for skin problems that has less side effects than Depomedrol. We were afraid to give Depomedrol because it can sometimes cause diabetes and he has had diabetes in the past (it can come and go with cats). The shot lasts 3 days. Charlie felt better for a week and then started scratching again. The vet said to put him on a low dose of pred for 3 days and then taper him off. I did that, and after not seeing him for 2 days after the tapering was done, he appeared and had lost probably 1/3 of his hair and was covered in scabs and had URI. My partner brought him back to the vet and he got another Vetalog shot and was put on Cephalexyn (and antibiotic) twice a day and tomorrow is supposed to start on a high dose of pred for 10 days and then taper if he is ok. They have no idea what is causing this. I put Revolution on him to help with the ear mites and also because it treats mange if he has that. I am going away for the weekend, to my parents', and the women who run the shelter asked me to put him in a cage for the 2 days so it is easier for them to find and pill him. I decided to put him on chicken and rice food for that time too, since he will have his own food, in case this is a food allergy. I am also considering bringing him to an allergist, as this looks very severe and he obviously can not stay on steroids forever. Does anyone have any ideas for treatment or diagnosis? Also, does anyone know anyone who might adopt Charlie? He is one of the best cats I ever met. When he has his fur, he is gorgeous, and is very affectionate, extremely mellow and easy to work with (goes right in a carrier, etc.), gets along well with cats and I would guess with dogs and kids too because he is such a mellow teddy bear-like cat. The problem is that he is FIV+, could become diabetic again in the future, has a heart murmur, and obviously has some kind of allergy. But the allergy started recently and I think that if he could get out of that yard and have his own food it might stop. I would take him home myself, but I already have FeLV+ cats and a negative, who I keep separate, as well as a dog with cancer. Besides having to redivide the house for Charlie, my partner, Gray, has begged me not to take in any more animals, especially sick animals, for a while because I am so at my wit's end and depressed since Simon's bout with lymphoma and losing our dog Nubi (Simon was diagnosed 2 weeks after she died of cancer). That said, Charlie looks so bad right now that Gray said he almost brought him home himself. I know you all have
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Thanks, Julie. There was a ringworm epidemic at the shelter many months before Charlie got there, so maybe it is that. Though it does not look like ringworm, but from your post I guess sometimes maybe it doesn't look stereotypical. They did a skin scraping to check for mange, but I do not think they checked for ringworm. I am going away for the weekend but will talk to the shelter about it when I get back. Thanks again, Michelle In a message dated 2/18/05 11:22:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, Charlie sounds like a great guy and with you in his corner, I'm sure things will work out very well for him! Since he is in close proximity to a sheep and a horse, is it possibly that they have some kind of a parasite that he's picked up? I'm thinking especially of lice, although you don't usually see that kind of hair loss. Have they ruled out ringworm? Chappy (FeLV+) had such severe ringworm that his hair was falling out in huge patches overnight; it was not the typical kind of ringworm-y lesions, either. It was like he simply went bald in spots overnight. Possibly he had a more severe reaction because he, too, was immuno-compromised. I guess my point is, they had to actually do a skin scraping and culture it because even the Wood's lamp test didn't fluoresce the way it normally does, so maybe it shouldn't be ruled out if this additional testing hasn't been done. Hope this helps; wishing the best for Charlie. I've already committed to picking up a new FIV+ kitty (tonight, actually), so the timing is really rotten. I'll keep him in my thoughts and let you know ASAP if I hear of anything in CT. Love, Julie
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Michelle, I hereby ORDER you to have a great time this weekend; hope you go someplace wonderful, rest and relax, and find a chocolate mine! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Julie. There was a ringworm epidemic at the shelter many months before Charlie got there, so maybe it is that. Though it does not look like ringworm, but from your post I guess sometimes maybe it doesn't look stereotypical. They did a skin scraping to check for mange, but I do not think they checked for ringworm. I am going away for the weekend but will talk to the shelter about it when I get back.Thanks again,MichelleIn a message dated 2/18/05 11:22:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle,Charlie sounds like a great guy and with you in his corner, I'm sure things will work out very well for him!Since he is in close proximity to a sheep and a horse, is it possibly that they have some kind of a parasite that he's picked up? I'm thinking especially of lice, although you don't usually see that kind of hair loss. Have they ruled out ringworm? Chappy (FeLV+) had such severe ringworm that his hair was falling out in huge patches overnight; it was not the typical kind of ringworm-y lesions, either. It was like he simply went bald in spots overnight. Possibly he had a more severe reaction because he, too, was immuno-compromised. I guess my point is, they had to actually do a skin scraping and culture it because even the Wood's lamp test didn't fluoresce the way it normally does, so maybe it shouldn't be ruled out if this additional testing hasn't been done. Hope this helps; wishing the best for Charlie. I've already committed to picking up a new FIV+ kitty (tonight, actually), so the timing is really rotten. I'll keep him in my thoughts and let you know ASAP if I hear of anything in CT.Love, Julie "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Actually, going to visit my mom and my 28 year old horse in NJ. If everyone is healthy and mobile, that will be enough to please me. Michelle In a message dated 2/18/05 11:29:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I hereby ORDER you to have a great time this weekend; hope you go someplace wonderful, rest and relax, and find a chocolate mine!
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
And I called and left a message at the shelter about the ringworm already. And am spending so much time getting things ready for the cat sitter (Gray is away too) that I am never going to even get out of the house! Michelle In a message dated 2/18/05 11:29:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I hereby ORDER you to have a great time this weekend; hope you go someplace wonderful, rest and relax, and find a chocolate mine!
RE: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Have a nice time seeing your mom and your horse, Michelle! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home Actually, going to visit my mom and my 28 year old horse in NJ. If everyone is healthy and mobile, that will be enough to please me. Michelle In a message dated 2/18/05 11:29:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I hereby ORDER you to have a great time this weekend; hope you go someplace wonderful, rest and relax, and find a chocolate mine! This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Michelle... I do hope someone comes forward to give Charlie a loving home and the special care he needs. Bless you (and Gray!) for being there to care for Charlie and try to help him find a better situation. Have a good visit and be sure to give your horse a carrot and a hug for me. I hope he/she has a nice pasture in which to spend his/her golden years. I still miss my old gal that passed away on Jan.10th and wish I could have provided her with nicer surroundings in her final years. Sometimes we just have to do the best we can, even when it isn't what we would choose for a beloved critter if $ were not an issue and what we think is best were available to us. Sally in San Jose
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
My vet says turning the heat on in the winter can cause it because of both stirring up any allergens in the system and the dryness as well t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, good idea. Of course, Gray just bought him a ton of chicken food. The odd thing is that he came from a feral colony, so you would think if he had food allergies they would have acted up then. I don't think he was getting rabbit or duck! He was actually fine for several months at the shelter as well, and then all of a sudden this started. It seems like it started at the same time that a horse arrived at the shelter, who lives next to the feral cat yard. It seems like he probably is not allergic to the horse, right? Gray thinks that maybe when they cleaned out and prepared the space for the horse there was some mold stirred up that he is allergic to? The only other change i can think of is that they put an oil-filled heater in the hayloft a month or so ago. I can't imagine what that would do, other than maybe make the air drier? At the shelter, they only eat dry food, which consists of all the donated dry foods mixed together, so it always is a little different. I suppose something could have been added a few weeks ago that affects him. It is kind of a mystery! Maybe he had a systemic reaction to his ear mites? But those were treated weeks ago as well... Michelle In a message dated 2/17/05 10:00:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, Me again In regards to diet. It is wise to r/o food allergies. I fostered 2 little darlings that came to me almost bald. :( After trial error, we found success using a rabbit or duck formula, exclusively. Ended up feeding that to everyone, it was impossible to feed dry separate. Anyway, (Aspara)Gus Sarah turned out to be gorgeous, long hairs!! Patti
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Poor Charlie, I wish I could take him. I had an fiv that sounds a lot like him. Honestly, out of the many, many cats I've dealt with, he was the sweetest cat I've ever known. Everyone wanted to take him from me! He basically had no ears left when I found him from scratching at ear mites. After we cleared them up his ears folded down. The vets never could decide if he had 'scottish fold' ears originally or from the scarring. He did however have constant problems with ear infections. I hope someone will take him. : ( tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing to see if anyone has any ideas. I go to the local shelter, where my positives came from, twice a day to take care of Lamby, a disabled sheep who lives in the feral cat yard (she is very popular among the cats and has convinced a number of them to trust us too!). At this shelter, the ferals are put into a large yard, with access to the hay loft of a barn. The shelter also puts non-feral cats out there who can not be adopted, sometimes because they are FIV+ (I do not agree with mixing in this way, but at least they do not kill any of them). A cat who was brought there about 6 months ago, Charlie, was diabetic. Since I am in the yard twice a day anyway, I agreed to give him his shots. Luckily, his diabetes went away, at least for now, and he no longer needs insulin. HOWEVER... Charlie is a huge, long-haired black cat, extremely beautiful and cuddly and mellow and sort of looks like a bear, normally. A few weeks ago I noticed a bunch of his hair was coming out, and upon inspection found he had a number of bald spots with bite and scratch marks, clearly self-induced. I brought him to the vet and the vet said he had terrible ear mites, for which they treated him, and probably also contact dermatitis of unknown origin. The vet gave him a shot of Vetalog, a steroid often used for skin problems that has less side effects than Depomedrol. We were afraid to give Depomedrol because it can sometimes cause diabetes and he has had diabetes in the past (it can come and go with cats). The shot lasts 3 days. Charlie felt better for a week and then started scratching again. The vet said to put him on a low dose of pred for 3 days and then taper him off. I did that, and after not seeing him for 2 days after the tapering was done, he appeared and had lost probably 1/3 of his hair and was covered in scabs and had URI. My partner brought him back to the vet and he got another Vetalog shot and was put on Cephalexyn (and antibiotic) twice a day and tomorrow is supposed to start on a high dose of pred for 10 days and then taper if he is ok. They have no idea what is causing this. I put Revolution on him to help with the ear mites and also because it treats mange if he has that. I am going away for the weekend, to my parents', and the women who run the shelter asked me to put him in a cage for the 2 days so it is easier for them to find and pill him. I decided to put him on chicken and rice food for that time too, since he will have his own food, in case this is a food allergy. I am also considering bringing him to an allergist, as this looks very severe and he obviously can not stay on steroids forever. Does anyone have any ideas for treatment or diagnosis? Also, does anyone know anyone who might adopt Charlie? He is one of the best cats I ever met. When he has his fur, he is gorgeous, and is very affectionate, extremely mellow and easy to work with (goes right in a carrier, etc.), gets along well with cats and I would guess with dogs and kids too because he is such a mellow teddy bear-like cat. The problem is that he is FIV+, could become diabetic again in the future, has a heart murmur, and obviously has some kind of allergy. But the allergy started recently and I think that if he could get out of that yard and have his own food it might stop. I would take him home myself, but I already have FeLV+ cats and a negative, who I keep separate, as well as a dog with cancer. Besides having to redivide the house for Charlie, my partner, Gray, has begged me not to take in any more animals, especially sick animals, for a while because I am so at my wit's end and depressed since Simon's bout with lymphoma and losing our dog Nubi (Simon was diagnosed 2 weeks after she died of cancer). That said, Charlie looks so bad right now that Gray said he almost brought him home himself. I know you all have probably tapped out your contacts, but if you know anyone who has an FIV+ household or otherwise has a situation where they could take him and get him away from whatever he is allergic to, I would drive him just about anywhere. I can not stand how miserable he is right now. I will post an ad on the felineleukemia.org website, but do not know of anywhere else to post. Thanks, Michelle
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Michelle, My heart goes out to you, you have been thru so much. I don't know of anyone around here that has romm for another FIV+, sorry, but here are some sites you could cross post on. I actuallywas able to place some seniors and disabled cats using a couple of these sites. It's worth a try.. The following are all at Yahoo Groups: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] They are excellent!! These are Yahoo Groups for FIV+ cats [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] This group is for Felv+/FIV+ cats - supplying information on rescue, transport and rehoming of positives. Looks promising. This is another site I've used in the past: www.felinerescue.net/RESCUES_BY_LOCATION Make sure you put the___after the wordsRESCUES and BY...RESCUES_BY_LOCATION Somewhere in my files I do have some other resources Let me know if you'd like me to look them up! God Bless You, Wishing the best for you, Gray Charlie,Patti
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Patti, thank you so, so much! I had just found the FIV yahoo group and joined and posted about him. I will post about him on all the other addresses you sent me too. Thank you!!! Michelle In a message dated 2/17/05 9:12:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My heart goes out to you, you have been thru so much. I don't know of anyone around here that has romm for another FIV+, sorry, but here are some sites you could cross post on. I actuallywas able to place some seniors and disabled cats using a couple of these sites. It's worth a try.. The following are all at Yahoo Groups: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] They are excellent!! These are Yahoo Groups for FIV+ cats [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] This group is for Felv+/FIV+ cats - supplying information on rescue, transport and rehoming of positives. Looks promising. This is another site I've used in the past: www.felinerescue.net/RESCUES_BY_LOCATION Make sure you put the___after the wordsRESCUES and BY...RESCUES_BY_LOCATION Somewhere in my files I do have some other resources Let me know if you'd like me to look them up! God Bless You, Wishing the best for you, Gray Charlie,Patti
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Charlie sounds like such a wonderful guy. I know of one local person that just lost her FIV cat, she swore 'never again', but we all know that's not true. I'm forwarding your email about Charlie to her. Something that has occurred to me in the past, I'm not sure how to even go about it, but... I've thought of pairing HIV humans with FIV cats. Maybe in some sort of assisted care setting? I know that some of these patients can barely care for themselves, but I also know how much love and healing energy animals bring us when we're sick, and who better to understand the unfairness of disease? It's just a thought that's been swimming around in my brain. I pray Charlie finds his forever home soon. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing to see if anyone has any ideas. I go to the local shelter, where my positives came from, twice a day to take care of Lamby, a disabled sheep who lives in the feral cat yard (she is very popular among the cats and has convinced a number of them to trust us too!). At this shelter, the ferals are put into a large yard, with access to the hay loft of a barn. The shelter also puts non-feral cats out there who can not be adopted, sometimes because they are FIV+ (I do not agree with mixing in this way, but at least they do not kill any of them). A cat who was brought there about 6 months ago, Charlie, was diabetic. Since I am in the yard twice a day anyway, I agreed to give him his shots. Luckily, his diabetes went away, at least for now, and he no longer needs insulin. HOWEVER... Charlie is a huge, long-haired black cat, extremely beautiful and cuddly and mellow and sort of looks like a bear, normally. A few weeks ago I noticed a bunch of his hair was coming out, and upon inspection found he had a number of bald spots with bite and scratch marks, clearly self-induced. I brought him to the vet and the vet said he had terrible ear mites, for which they treated him, and probably also contact dermatitis of unknown origin. The vet gave him a shot of Vetalog, a steroid often used for skin problems that has less side effects than Depomedrol. We were afraid to give Depomedrol because it can sometimes cause diabetes and he has had diabetes in the past (it can come and go with cats). The shot lasts 3 days. Charlie felt better for a week and then started scratching again. The vet said to put him on a low dose of pred for 3 days and then taper him off. I did that, and after not seeing him for 2 days after the tapering was done, he appeared and had lost probably 1/3 of his hair and was covered in scabs and had URI. My partner brought him back to the vet and he got another Vetalog shot and was put on Cephalexyn (and antibiotic) twice a day and tomorrow is supposed to start on a high dose of pred for 10 days and then taper if he is ok. They have no idea what is causing this. I put Revolution on him to help with the ear mites and also because it treats mange if he has that. I am going away for the weekend, to my parents', and the women who run the shelter asked me to put him in a cage for the 2 days so it is easier for them to find and pill him. I decided to put him on chicken and rice food for that time too, since he will have his own food, in case this is a food allergy. I am also considering bringing him to an allergist, as this looks very severe and he obviously can not stay on steroids forever. Does anyone have any ideas for treatment or diagnosis? Also, does anyone know anyone who might adopt Charlie? He is one of the best cats I ever met. When he has his fur, he is gorgeous, and is very affectionate, extremely mellow and easy to work with (goes right in a carrier, etc.), gets along well with cats and I would guess with dogs and kids too because he is such a mellow teddy bear-like cat. The problem is that he is FIV+, could become diabetic again in the future, has a heart murmur, and obviously has some kind of allergy. But the allergy started recently and I think that if he could get out of that yard and have his own food it might stop. I would take him home myself, but I already have FeLV+ cats and a negative, who I keep separate, as well as a dog with cancer. Besides having to redivide the house for Charlie, my partner, Gray, has begged me not to take in any more animals, especially sick animals, for a while because I am so at my wit's end and depressed since Simon's bout with lymphoma and losing our dog Nubi (Simon was diagnosed 2 weeks after she died of cancer). That said, Charlie looks so bad right now that Gray said he almost brought him home himself. I know you all have probably tapped out your contacts, but if you know anyone who has an FIV+ household or otherwise has a situation where they could take him and get him away from whatever he is allergic to, I would drive him just about anywhere. I can not stand how miserable he is right now. I will post an ad on the felineleukemia.org website, but do not know of anywhere else to post.
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Thanks, Nina, but aren't you in California? I'm in Massachusetts, so it might be kind of hard to get him to California! I was at Gay Pride in Boston last summer and a shelter from a town near Boston actually had a similar idea to yours-- they had a stand set up with information about FIV and pictures and descriptions of all their FIV+ cats available for adoption. I am assuming they figured that people at a gay pride event are more understanding than the general population about what HIV means, and so might be more willing to care for cat with FIV (and that people with HIV at the event might be attracted to adopting a cat with FIV). I have no idea if they adopted anyone out based on that event, but I have always been curious about that. I can't remember which group it was now or I would call and ask them! Michelle In a message dated 2/17/05 9:23:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charlie sounds like such a wonderful guy. I know of one local person that just lost her FIV cat, she swore 'never again', but we all know that's not true. I'm forwarding your email about Charlie to her. Something that has occurred to me in the past, I'm not sure how to even go about it, but... I've thought of pairing HIV humans with FIV cats. Maybe in some sort of assisted care setting? I know that some of these patients can barely care for themselves, but I also know how much love and healing energy animals bring us when we're sick, and who better to understand the unfairness of disease? It's just a thought that's been swimming around in my brain. I pray Charlie finds his forever home soon.Nina
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Michelle, Just going thru some of my files. Found some holistic items you might want to try: Vetri-Science Derma Strength for Cats - specially for skin allergies immune support Health Cocerns Skin Balance - A Chinese herbal remedy for allergies, skin coat problems Seven Forest Quercenol - good for allergies, immune system support liver function (This supplement is used quite often by Dr. M. Goldstein in his holistic practice) Thorne Dermaclear - used for skin coat problems, flea allergies Also, some of the Bach Flower Remedies may be helpful: White Chestnut - for obsessive licking chewing scratching,for allergies Water Chestnut - for hair loss, allergies, works as a detoxifier cleanser Impatiens - for skin irritations Elm - stress allergies And I want to add: Olive - for anemia (I had used this w/ my Ethan) And for my dear, sweet neurotic Lucy(fer), k9 w/ OCD: Holly, Rock Rose. Rock Water Vine - REALLY seemed to help Which was great since all the "allopathic" treatments didn't do a thing!! She's such a little over-possesive,worry-wart, but the love of my life!!! For years we had always used Derm-Caps as a supplement, but we switched to Vetri-Science Derma Strength since we had excellent results using the DMG the Acetylator (for digestion bowels, also for urinary health) Vetri-Science has some of the BEST supplements available in my opinion. Just throwing some more info. for you Patti
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Wow, thanks! If you were to try one of these, which one would you try first? I have to go find him and pill him twice a day and am already giving him 2 pills each time so do not want to add much more. He also does not have his own food so can not get stuff in food. Though I guess I could start bringing him baby food and a bowl for supplements... Gray is going to kill me Michelle In a message dated 2/17/05 9:52:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, Just going thru some of my files. Found some holistic items you might want to try: Vetri-Science Derma Strength for Cats - specially for skin allergies immune support Health Cocerns Skin Balance - A Chinese herbal remedy for allergies, skin coat problems Seven Forest Quercenol - good for allergies, immune system support liver function (This supplement is used quite often by Dr. M. Goldstein in his holistic practice) Thorne Dermaclear - used for skin coat problems, flea allergies Also, some of the Bach Flower Remedies may be helpful: White Chestnut - for obsessive licking chewing scratching,for allergies Water Chestnut - for hair loss, allergies, works as a detoxifier cleanser Impatiens - for skin irritations Elm - stress allergies And I want to add: Olive - for anemia (I had used this w/ my Ethan) And for my dear, sweet neurotic Lucy(fer), k9 w/ OCD: Holly, Rock Rose. Rock Water Vine - REALLY seemed to help Which was great since all the "allopathic" treatments didn't do a thing!! She's such a little over-possesive,worry-wart, but the love of my life!!! For years we had always used Derm-Caps as a supplement, but we switched to Vetri-Science Derma Strength since we had excellent results using the DMG the Acetylator (for digestion bowels, also for urinary health) Vetri-Science has some of the BEST supplements available in my opinion. Just throwing some more info. for you Patti
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Yes, CA is far away, but you never know what might come from asking! This lady is a board member of a rescue group that has helped me in the past. She has a lot of contacts, so who knows? I was just thinking how wonderful it would be to be able to adopt someone so deserving. Don't you envy people who still have room and resources to help? I have this day dream about actually being able to go and seek out animals that need a home. It's been many years since I've actively gone looking for anyone, they just seem to find me. By the way, your Gray seems like a wonderful human, you chose well. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Nina, but aren't you in California? I'm in Massachusetts, so it might be kind of hard to get him to California! I was at Gay Pride in Boston last summer and a shelter from a town near Boston actually had a similar idea to yours-- they had a stand set up with information about FIV and pictures and descriptions of all their FIV+ cats available for adoption. I am assuming they figured that people at a gay pride event are more understanding than the general population about what HIV means, and so might be more willing to care for cat with FIV (and that people with HIV at the event might be attracted to adopting a cat with FIV). I have no idea if they adopted anyone out based on that event, but I have always been curious about that. I can't remember which group it was now or I would call and ask them! Michelle In a message dated 2/17/05 9:23:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charlie sounds like such a wonderful guy. I know of one local person that just lost her FIV cat, she swore 'never again', but we all know that's not true. I'm forwarding your email about Charlie to her. Something that has occurred to me in the past, I'm not sure how to even go about it, but... I've thought of pairing HIV humans with FIV cats. Maybe in some sort of assisted care setting? I know that some of these patients can barely care for themselves, but I also know how much love and healing energy animals bring us when we're sick, and who better to understand the unfairness of disease? It's just a thought that's been swimming around in my brain. I pray Charlie finds his forever home soon. Nina
Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Michelle, Me again In regards to diet. It is wise to r/o food allergies. I fostered 2 little darlings that came to me almost bald. :( After trial error, we found success using a rabbit or duck formula, exclusively. Ended up feeding that to everyone, it was impossible to feed dry separate. Anyway, (Aspara)Gus Sarah turned out to be gorgeous, long hairs!! Patti
