Re: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
Check with a holistic vet or an alternative vet about drops to give before and after the procedure to help bring him out. You may want to see if laser dental work is available in your area. It is a lot faster and safer (or so I am told). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods Hi everyone, I know it's been posted in the past, but my cat needs dental work (too extensive to do while he's awake), and he's known to have bad reactions to anesthesia and vaccines, and so I need to know the safest way to anesthetize him for his dental work. It's ISO gas, right? What's that short for? And is that an induction agent, or will he need something else to go under? What do you absolutely NOT recommend, so I can tell them DO NOT GIVE ? I'm sure you guys all understand I'm worried to the point of neurotic this is Moogie's daddy that needs this work done. Can someone outline the entire anesthesia process for me, from intake to recovery, drug and methodology wise? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
I think they do all run IV's during surgery and most before but some don't after, I always ask my vet to make sure it's done. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
Phaewryn, Tell them NOT TO GIVE - telazol. nasty, nasty. Saw TOO many healthy babies have reactions, and even death. There are other injectables, but, for (what's left of) the life of me, I can't remember. I just know working in our low cost clinic, the vet thought it best to use injectables. Cheaper too, sadly I lost a foster after her spay. Now, I insist on ISO (sorry, don't know what it is, except isoflourane). Also, I insist on having IV fluids run during surgery. And, post-sx, Sub-Q fluids to flush out any remainders of the anesthetic And, due to my loss, I even do it w/ ISO surgeries.. ISO is a gas, very short-lived, and I have never had a bad experience w/ it.. I also insist on it for my ferals, my vet gives them a low dose of valium to relax them prior to surgery.. I wish you and your baby the best of luck.. And, oh, I did have ISO used for a dental Hugs, Patti
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
Phaewryn, PS - If your cat is a sweetie, then they will not need to give anything else prior to ISO. And, when I say a sweetie, I mean as long as he/ can be handled then they will give the ISO as soon as he is on the table! Just make sure they know, and are honest w/ you! Hugs, Patti
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
My understanding is that ketamine is not good either... On 1/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn, Tell them *NOT TO GIVE -* telazol. nasty, nasty. Saw TOO many healthy babies have reactions, and even death. There are other injectables, but, for (what's left of) the life of me, I can't remember. I just know working in our low cost clinic, the vet thought it best to use injectables. Cheaper too, sadly I lost a foster after her spay. Now, I insist on ISO (sorry, don't know what it is, except isoflourane). Also, I insist on having IV fluids run during surgery. And, post-sx, Sub-Q fluids to flush out any remainders of the anesthetic And, due to my loss, I even do it w/ ISO surgeries.. ISO is a gas, very short-lived, and I have never had a bad experience w/ it.. I also insist on it for my ferals, my vet gives them a low dose of valium to relax them prior to surgery.. I wish you and your baby the best of luck.. And, oh, I did have ISO used for a dental Hugs, Patti -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
Yes, you are right about ketamine. (Your reply jogged my memory - THANK YOU!!!) Our clinic DID use ketamine, in a combo w/ other injectables..Xylozine maybe Still can't remember all, but, I think for the low cost/free clinics, that stuff was mixed w/ the telazol I just know when I lost my foster, she was given telazol But who knows, they might already have had their combo pre-mixed All I can say is, STAY (FAR) AWAY FROM INJECT. ANESTHESTHIAS Saw way too many bad reactions. (Funny isn't it? I can [slightly] remember my experiences with furbabies... Guess THEY ARE the reason I'm still here) Patti
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
At 06:37 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote: sevoflourane is the safest,,,second is Isoflouranefrom all my resources... Hi everyone, I know it's been posted in the past, but my cat needs dental work (too extensive to do while he's awake), and he's known to have bad reactions to anesthesia and vaccines, and so I need to know the safest way to anesthetize him for his dental work. It's ISO gas, right? What's that short for? And is that an induction agent, or will he need something else to go under? What do you absolutely NOT recommend, so I can tell them DO NOT GIVE ? I'm sure you guys all understand I'm worried to the point of neurotic this is Moogie's daddy that needs this work done. Can someone outline the entire anesthesia process for me, from intake to recovery, drug and methodology wise? Phaewryn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.htmlhttp://www.pawproject.com/kona.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 1/23/2007
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
At 06:37 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote: Oh I forgot the process, That depends upon the surgery and the cat, With ferals it is different. Make sure they monitor the oxygen saturation level during the procedure, Dental procedures are much better now with the inhalant anesthetics, the problem was if there is any kind of oxygen deprivation it can effect the kidneys,,,Sevo is by far the best, It is easy to reverse anesthetics that are inhaled vs injectable,,Iso is also almost as good, Ask who is monitoring the BP and other vital signs during the procedure and make sure there are labs done ahead of time.. they usually require pre-op labs. Some vets do not have Sevo and use ISOIf they have neither I might look for one that does, Just my nursing opinion, Kelly Hi everyone, I know it's been posted in the past, but my cat needs dental work (too extensive to do while he's awake), and he's known to have bad reactions to anesthesia and vaccines, and so I need to know the safest way to anesthetize him for his dental work. It's ISO gas, right? What's that short for? And is that an induction agent, or will he need something else to go under? What do you absolutely NOT recommend, so I can tell them DO NOT GIVE ? I'm sure you guys all understand I'm worried to the point of neurotic this is Moogie's daddy that needs this work done. Can someone outline the entire anesthesia process for me, from intake to recovery, drug and methodology wise? Phaewryn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.htmlhttp://www.pawproject.com/kona.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 1/23/2007
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
Thanks Kelly! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
And make sure they give fluids before, during and after. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
At 09:32 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote: I think they should all have an IV running during the procedure, In case the need emergency meds you need IV access to get it to them immediately!! Kelly And make sure they give fluids before, during and after. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 1/23/2007
