, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother
that got tested, Pierre.
I think the all should be tested.
Dianne
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From: catatonya
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy
be tested.
Dianne
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I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing
had never started
and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre.
I think the all should be tested.
Dianne
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From: catatonya
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
I would not test. I just haven't been
: catatonya mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would not test. I just haven't been on list
tested, Pierre.
I think the all should be tested.
Dianne
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From: catatonya
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I
: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine
it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter
+/FIV+ policy for rescues
I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had
never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be
treated as any other illness a cat might come down with.
t
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow
and does not
recommend batch testing.
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From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
My vets office told me they can take
, Gainesville Florida has done a lot of research and does not
recommend batch testing.
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From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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.
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From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine
it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending
Florida has done a lot of research and does not
recommend batch testing.
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From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
My vets
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
The spay/neuter clinic that I sue for kittens
We live in a litigious society ;-)
Diane R
Oops. I meant use...
Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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The spay/neuter clinic that I
+/FIV+ policy for rescues
Oops. I meant use...
Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:07 PM
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should be tested.
Dianne
- Original Message -
*From:* catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*Sent:* Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM
*Subject:* Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had
never
On 11/26/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i think that part of the problem is the over-riding lack of
information mentioned so often (by me, too, if i recall): for a
long time it was assumed that if mom was positive, or if one kitten
was positive, then the whole litter was i'm
something that all rescues/shelters should know is that idexx, at
least, has a great discount program for 501(c)3s--i'm fuzzy on the
current details, but it used to be that you had to buy in bulk (30
test kits, which during kitten season any group can easily go
through!), with each
unless things have changed significantly in the past couple of years,
all snaps that i know of (including idexx) require more than a single
drop--otherwise, far more shelters/rescues WOULD be doing them
themselves. if you have newer info, i'd love to see it. i know that
there are LESS expensive
I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had
never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be
treated as any other illness a cat might come down with.
t
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow, this is a lot of information
At 04:06 PM 11/25/2006, you wrote:
My reason for testing is for treating. I tend to do prophylactic
treatment and so It is good to know. I mix my FIV cat but not my
FELV. I am now using Alferon for my FIV cat and it has been amazing
to me, and I will start my FELV cat on it once I complete
PM
Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had
never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be
treated as any other illness a cat might come down with.
t
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL
Just curious were all the feral tested before they got sick?
Although the ferals are vaccinated, occasionally
one or two gets sick and tests positive. I would not do that to any
cat, and in a large rescue situation you are going to be risking it if
you mix them.
--
Belinda
happiness is
more importantly, were they tested AND retested? a negative test really means nothing, either, unless one knows FOR SURE just who that kitty was hanging out with the 120 days or so before being trapped. if not retested, the cat could have been contracted the virus the week before, and test
Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone!
I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board
i don't test for FIV, either, unless all my vet has with him are the
combo tests! i'd like to know if a cat is truly FeLV positive, tho the
odds are against it remaining so if it's an healthy adult, just so i
can make sure any kittens or vulnerable elders are vaccinated before
they come into
At 03:19 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:
Everyone is different. I would separate the FELV and but he FIV as
long as they were friendly, but both are more susceptible to others bugs
the other cats have, I would use it as a chance to educate.
Kelly
Hi guys,
If you were establishing a rescue, what kind
I would test all of them, because you do not want to adopt out without
knowing, both because of contagion and because you then will not know what the
person/family will do if the cat later tests positive by surprise. If you are
going to adopt a positive to someone, you want to know and make
the very first thing would be to establish a network of foster homes who were educated about, and not afraid of, either virus. in the cases of either, having time and space is often the difference between their life and death--most rescues/shelters might give them a chance if they had a place to
Test for both, using the combo ELISA
"snap" test (the one most vet offices do right while you wait in the exam room).
If it shows double neg, retest again with same test in 1 month to confirm
negative prior to adoption as neg cat, if the cat being absolutely negative is
that important to
well, one month isn't really enough for FeLV retestingi've never seen anything about needing to wait to confirm an FIV negative, tho i guess it couldn't hurt. i've gathered tho, that it will show up much quicker than will FeLV infection. there also doesn't seem to be any real info about adult
Oh and missed the what would I do part
of that.
In the case of FIV positive, I advertise
the cat for adoption as FIV+ and provide educational links and brochures for
people so they can learn about FIV and know that it's OK to have a FIV+ cat with
other negative cats. These usually take
MC, why do the western blot at all? The
DNA test is a sure thing the way I see it, the DNA test has made the western
blot obsolete.
Phaewryn
Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost
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At 03:54 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:
Personally I would not mix the Felv and FIV as you do not the FIV to end
up with FELV, my felv are in their own area , but I know it
is hard to transmit, but they can easily catch something else that would
not be serious to a healthy cat but could be deadly to
No, my logic behind the 1 month is, it's
better than one week, and usually as long as most rescues are willing to wait to
put a healthy "negative" cat up for adoption. If I'd said 120 days like you did
(for a retest to assure a neg result) she probably would have been like "120
Days? I have
I'm also saving the cat another blood
draw at a later date by retesting for the FIV and the FELV at the same time.
(which translates into saving the rescue $ too)
Phaewryn
Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost
SpayNeuter services in VT, and
i go for separate rooms for FIVs and FeLVs, with FIV/FeLVs mixed with the FeLVs, unless all the FIVs were vaccinated against FeLV. even then, for public relations reasons, i'd probably keep them separate. yes, while many people think you shouldn't vaccinate FIV cats, there's no research showing
well, as long as it's free, which it may NOT remain, i guess the DNA test would be enough. i'll have to sit down and read UC Davis' research, tho, and get some feedback from the vets i've sent the info to before i take the validity and reliability of their DNA results as gospel. there have
One of the vet sites does specifically
mention that "Young cats and kittens under one year of age, and cats with
compromised immune systems are more susceptible to FELV."
FIV is "immunodefiency syndrome" thus
plopping them right directly into that "compromised immune system" category
True. But then there's you and me woman,
we must educate the world!
(say the educate the world part in
cartoon super-hero voice, while pumping fist into the air andsticking out
chest)
I wish I wasn't broke and out of ink in
my printer. I would print off that webpage about the DNA
At 04:25 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:
Yup..It is what we do regularly isn't it. I also ask for their private
email addresses and send stuff on that way.
Kelly
True. But then there's
you and me woman, we must educate the world!
(say the educate the world part in cartoon super-hero voice, while
At 04:25 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:
I printed out the information regarding Alferon to several vets who are
now passing it on to theri cliets,
True. But then there's
you and me woman, we must educate the world!
(say the educate the world part in cartoon super-hero voice, while
pumping fist
oh, well, yeah, i'm talking about healthy adults--i wouldn't put kittens or elders with ANY special-needs groups.
the issue is how immune compromised FIVs truly are remember, FIV is a NAME, just as FIP is--and was given that nameduring the heyday of the HIV/AIDS panic, when not that much was
Oh, so very true, and that had not
occurred to me! They even say on one of the FIP webpages that FIP has absolutely
nothing to do withinfection of the peritonealtissue, that the name
came from the first stages of research when they were unsure of it's exact
pathology.
So, yeah, it's
At 04:35 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:
My FIV cat is not the concern my FELV cat is, With a shelter there is a
liability issue also, Remember the public is not as informed either.
Kelly
oh, well, yeah, i'm talking
about healthy adults--i wouldn't put kittens or elders with ANY
special-needs groups.
FIV is classified as a retro-virus, so i'm not saying there's no consequences, or that some FIVs don't have major problems. it just seems that those that do develop consistently are fairly treatable--the mouth problems from herpes, for example--and that if major medical problems are to occur, they
As a child that spent most of her
childhood in and out of hospitals, you can be sure Iknew whatimmune
compromised meant before I could read. :)
Phaewryn
Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost
SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial
well, yes, but you are NOT a normal, run-of-the-mill human! (in more ways than i can count! :::fleaing)
On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a child that spent most of her childhood in and out of hospitals, you can be sure Iknew whatimmune compromised meant
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