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Jeez Louise! What a diatribe from Phaewryn! ! I certainly believe in SOME animal communicators and I myself have certainly seen several deceased people who gave me messages--one for a neighbor family to whom we were very close and two for me from very dear friends. And then there are so many friends and loved ones I cannot see and I yearn to hear from. My mother smells flowers when a loved one dies. She says it's like someone has dumped a bottle of perfume at her feet it's so strong. None of these things happen all the time but always come as a surprise. Where do those powers come from? It depends on who has the powers. Some are from God, some are from an evil place. They come from both places. We are all very feeling people in the first place because our love does not stop with humanity--it continues into a great love for animals. So there you go. Check out the incredible developments in quantum mechanics. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 10, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Debbie wrote: I was disturbed by the below message. There is nothing wrong with people believing in certain things. If those things bring them comfort how could it ever be wrong? I read Phaewryn’s my space blog and it seems to me she is someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues. She comes across as being a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for what it is worth – just someone blowing off steam. It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person doesn’t believe strongly in something. Faith is the healing force and there is nothing wrong with saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to make us see what is truly important in our lives. Myself, I would say I wouldn’t go to any psychic readings of any type, but that’s me. I do believe there are things that are mystical or paranormal, etc…, but I have always wondered where those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I don’t know then I choose not to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in it – then that is their choice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf OfMarylyn Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal attack. I truly believe in AC and know a number of people who practice it. It has worked for me and it has worked for them. I am sorry it has not worked for you. Perhaps one day. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. The idea that any of you actually BELIEVE that anyone can psychically communicate with an animal is, to me, ABSURD. I think the animal communication business is a FRAUD taking advantage of people and their love of their pets (and often, their weakened mental status because of desperation and stress). There may actually BE good people out there who REALLY believe they communicate with animals... people who are not frauds, people with good hearts, but out of touch with reality. I'm not saying ALL AC's are just out to make a buck or gain fame, but really, you can't PROVE this stuff exists, and it's proven fact that other humans WILL take advantage when given a chance! Anyone remember snake oil? HELLO?! You know what? This list has of recent had SO MANY emails about animal communication, that it seems to be THE answer to EVERYTHING! I just can't fathom the emotional susceptibility of a person to actually believe in something so FAR OUT THERE and so obviously unable to be proven. And to put an animals LIFE, or the question of PHYSICAL MUTILATION, on the line based on what could just as well be as valid as flipping a coin, well, it's just unfathomable, I just can't come up with any other word for it! It's like a NEW RELIGION... You can't see, it, you can't prove it, you can't feel it, you can't do anything to prove it exists, yet you just blindly throw your faith into it, and put everything you own in your heart into this belief in the unprovable! I JUST DO NOT GET IT ! In my opinion, all the talk of animal communication on this list has made it's validity LAUGHABLE in the past
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Just so there is no misunderstanding, animal communications is practiced by Christians as well as people of other beliefs and the Bible speaks of interspecies communications. Below is one of my favorite scriptures. JOB 12:7-10 You have only to ask the cattle, for them to instruct you, and the birds of the sky, for them to inform you. The creeping things of earth will give you lessons, and the fish of the sea provide you an explanation: there is not one such creature but will know that the hand of God has arranged things like this! In his hand is the soul of every living thing and the breath of every human being! There are a lot more but I'm not into preaching. Just clarifying that AC is recognized by numerous religions, agnostics and atheists. As some friends say, take what works for you and leave the rest. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: RE: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. Wow!! Now THAT was a vent!!! That said i agree with Debbie, but there is something more important at stake here. I personally have found this list to be one of the most caring ones around. You guys were supportive of me during our move, and even offered suggestions. Not one other list was as helpful. No, it didn't have much to do with FeLV (although Ki was the ONLY one who scared the crap out of me during that ordeal. He is doing well, anyway...) but I needed support. I have a CRF kitty, one with FIV and diabetes, one with FIV and stomatitis, one with just stomatitis (just, hah!) and an asthmatic. The others are healthy. But darnit, I was scared. No one likes to think about losing their furkid, and I have lost my share, and will again. Point is, we all need a kind word now and again. And suggestions, too. We may not alwys agree, but hey, they were given from the heart, and we need to be mature enough to take what we want and keep our mouth's shut if we don't like them. The internet brings peoples of all beliefs together...that is what is so facinating about it! One of my best friend is a Pagan. I don't believe in all of it, but I learned about it and was surprised! We are free to take it or leave it And, if you decide to leave it, do it with grace. In friendship, Dede and Ki (and all the rest) --- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was disturbed by the below message. There is nothing wrong with people believing in certain things. If those things bring them comfort how could it ever be wrong? I read Phaewryn's my space blog and it seems to me she is someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues. She comes across as being a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for what it is worth - just someone blowing off steam. It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person doesn't believe strongly in something. Faith is the healing force and there is nothing wrong with saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to make us see what is truly important in our lives. Myself, I would say I wouldn't go to any psychic readings of any type, but that's me. I do believe there are things that are mystical or paranormal, etc., but I have always wondered where those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I don't know then I choose not to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in it - then that is their choice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal attack. I truly believe in AC and know a number of people who practice it. It has worked for me and it has worked for them. I am sorry it has not worked for you. Perhaps one day. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HYPERLINK mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. The idea that any of you
Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.
That scripture is lovely. If you have more, I'd like to see them. Pam Marylyn wrote: Just so there is no misunderstanding, animal communications is practiced by Christians as well as people of other beliefs and the Bible speaks of interspecies communications. Below is one of my favorite scriptures. JOB 12:7-10 You have only to ask the cattle, for them to instruct you, and the birds of the sky, for them to inform you. The creeping things of earth will give you lessons, and the fish of the sea provide you an explanation: there is not one such creature but will know that the hand of God has arranged things like this! In his hand is the soul of every living thing and the breath of every human being! There are a lot more but I'm not into preaching. Just clarifying that AC is recognized by numerous religions, agnostics and atheists. As some friends say, take what works for you and leave the rest. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: RE: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. Wow!! Now THAT was a vent!!! That said i agree with Debbie, but there is something more important at stake here. I personally have found this list to be one of the most caring ones around. You guys were supportive of me during our move, and even offered suggestions. Not one other list was as helpful. No, it didn't have much to do with FeLV (although Ki was the ONLY one who scared the crap out of me during that ordeal. He is doing well, anyway...) but I needed support. I have a CRF kitty, one with FIV and diabetes, one with FIV and stomatitis, one with just stomatitis (just, hah!) and an asthmatic. The others are healthy. But darnit, I was scared. No one likes to think about losing their furkid, and I have lost my share, and will again. Point is, we all need a kind word now and again. And suggestions, too. We may not alwys agree, but hey, they were given from the heart, and we need to be mature enough to take what we want and keep our mouth's shut if we don't like them. The internet brings peoples of all beliefs together...that is what is so facinating about it! One of my best friend is a Pagan. I don't believe in all of it, but I learned about it and was surprised! We are free to take it or leave it And, if you decide to leave it, do it with grace. In friendship, Dede and Ki (and all the rest) --- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was disturbed by the below message. There is nothing wrong with people believing in certain things. If those things bring them comfort how could it ever be wrong? I read Phaewryn's my space blog and it seems to me she is someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues. She comes across as being a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for what it is worth - just someone blowing off steam. It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person doesn't believe strongly in something. Faith is the healing force and there is nothing wrong with saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to make us see what is truly important in our lives. Myself, I would say I wouldn't go to any psychic readings of any type, but that's me. I do believe there are things that are mystical or paranormal, etc., but I have always wondered where those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I don't know then I choose not to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in it - then that is their choice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal attack. I truly believe in AC and know a number of people who practice it. It has worked for me and it has worked for them. I am sorry it has not worked for you. Perhaps one day. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HYPERLINK mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question
To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.
Phaewryn, This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off on other members inappropriately and then claimed to be leaving. I think you need to stop. It is not right or fair to insult other people and then stick your neck in the sand. No one here agrees 100% with any other member on this site. When this happens, either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say anything. There is no reason to go on a mission to destroy. It is so clear that when you do this, there's much more underlying your verbal spews that has nothing to do with this group and everything to do with your own life. If you are stressed out, stop taking it out here. It's not right. I completely disagree with your statement that for the past year that the validity of the site has been laughable. If you remember, I joined this list a year a half ago. I have learned SO MUCH from this list in the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred me to do a lot of further research. I am actually able to help others here. I came here so needy and ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many aspects of feline care, all because of the loving members of this group. That includes you. No, I didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it all in, did my own research, and am still paying it back to new members who came her just like I did. The validity of this group is just as strong as it was six years ago. What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't know. I don't know. Neither of us have tried one. You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway. What would you say to someone who says you don't love your son because it can't be proven? Indeed, it cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as no intangibles can. You can't see them, you can't touch them. But nevertheless, your love for your son IS there and it IS true. Same way for faith in God for some of us. So I hope that you will begin to question your own belief that unless you can prove something, it might as well not exist. There is suffering in the world so we can grow. If there were no suffering, there would be no happiness. You cannot know real happiness if you never have struggles and make personal growth. And FYI, prayer is not crap. You have asked for it yourself here. Please, make an effort to hold your tongue. The 24-hour rule always works for me. Write your letter in a word document, save it, and go back and read it in 24 hours. Revise as needed. You might need 48 hours. I did it when writing this post to you. I waited until I slept on it before responding. And my post shows much less anger, and more sense than it would have had I immediately responded. Save your sarcasm for yourself. No one else appreciates it. Dealing with sick animals is hard enough without you making everyone feel badly. I felt like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone around me feel bad because I felt bad inside. I got help with a great counselor for a year. Worked through a lot of childhood issues. Some adult issues. I've been a new woman ever since. Stronger, more secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am. I'll never regret my decision to get help. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy to feel like I did before I got help. And I certainly don't wish it on you or anyone else on this list. I truly hope, and will pray, that you find some way to deal with these issues in your personal life that keep plaguing you. Life has so much to offer us. Sincerely, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Re: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.
At 12:25 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote: Wendy..spoken so very well. as I mentioned before, I may not believe but I respect everyone here. this is one the most supportive and informative groups I belong to, For those who remember last year and the recovery/return of the 2 FELV cats from the carjackingWe are here to support each other, perhaps Phaewrn was upset at me regarding my attitude on declawing stating euthanasia is never i viable alternative, We all suffer for and with our animals and this is a great bunch of people. If anyone has anything personal to say. Use a private email rather than post to the group. Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Phaewryn, This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off on other members inappropriately and then claimed to be leaving. I think you need to stop. It is not right or fair to insult other people and then stick your neck in the sand. No one here agrees 100% with any other member on this site. When this happens, either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say anything. There is no reason to go on a mission to destroy. It is so clear that when you do this, there's much more underlying your verbal spews that has nothing to do with this group and everything to do with your own life. If you are stressed out, stop taking it out here. It's not right. I completely disagree with your statement that for the past year that the validity of the site has been laughable. If you remember, I joined this list a year a half ago. I have learned SO MUCH from this list in the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred me to do a lot of further research. I am actually able to help others here. I came here so needy and ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many aspects of feline care, all because of the loving members of this group. That includes you. No, I didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it all in, did my own research, and am still paying it back to new members who came her just like I did. The validity of this group is just as strong as it was six years ago. What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't know. I don't know. Neither of us have tried one. You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway. What would you say to someone who says you don't love your son because it can't be proven? Indeed, it cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as no intangibles can. You can't see them, you can't touch them. But nevertheless, your love for your son IS there and it IS true. Same way for faith in God for some of us. So I hope that you will begin to question your own belief that unless you can prove something, it might as well not exist. There is suffering in the world so we can grow. If there were no suffering, there would be no happiness. You cannot know real happiness if you never have struggles and make personal growth. And FYI, prayer is not crap. You have asked for it yourself here. Please, make an effort to hold your tongue. The 24-hour rule always works for me. Write your letter in a word document, save it, and go back and read it in 24 hours. Revise as needed. You might need 48 hours. I did it when writing this post to you. I waited until I slept on it before responding. And my post shows much less anger, and more sense than it would have had I immediately responded. Save your sarcasm for yourself. No one else appreciates it. Dealing with sick animals is hard enough without you making everyone feel badly. I felt like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone around me feel bad because I felt bad inside. I got help with a great counselor for a year. Worked through a lot of childhood issues. Some adult issues. I've been a new woman ever since. Stronger, more secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am. I'll never regret my decision to get help. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy to feel like I did before I got help. And I certainly don't wish it on you or anyone else on this list. I truly hope, and will pray, that you find some way to deal with these issues in your personal life that keep plaguing you. Life has so much to offer us. Sincerely, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 6/10/2007 1:39 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 6/10/2007 1:39 PM
Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.
And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. The idea that any of you actually BELIEVE that anyone can psychically communicate with an animal is, to me, ABSURD. I think the animal communication business is a FRAUD taking advantage of people and their love of their pets (and often, their weakened mental status because of desperation and stress). There may actually BE good people out there who REALLY believe they communicate with animals... people who are not frauds, people with good hearts, but out of touch with reality. I'm not saying ALL AC's are just out to make a buck or gain fame, but really, you can't PROVE this stuff exists, and it's proven fact that other humans WILL take advantage when given a chance! Anyone remember snake oil? HELLO?! You know what? This list has of recent had SO MANY emails about animal communication, that it seems to be THE answer to EVERYTHING! I just can't fathom the emotional susceptibility of a person to actually believe in something so FAR OUT THERE and so obviously unable to be proven. And to put an animals LIFE, or the question of PHYSICAL MUTILATION, on the line based on what could just as well be as valid as flipping a coin, well, it's just unfathomable, I just can't come up with any other word for it! It's like a NEW RELIGION... You can't see, it, you can't prove it, you can't feel it, you can't do anything to prove it exists, yet you just blindly throw your faith into it, and put everything you own in your heart into this belief in the unprovable! I JUST DO NOT GET IT ! In my opinion, all the talk of animal communication on this list has made it's validity LAUGHABLE in the past year. This used to be a place where people could come get answers based in REAL EXPERIENCE and scientific studies, and it was a place to come to for education on the scientific facts behind FELV (among other feline health topics) and answers to questions about MEDICINE. This used to be a place where when a vet was not so helpful, an owner could come here and ask questions and leave feeling like they got solid, helpful, and scientific advice and treatment options. There has been more talk of psychic communication, afterlife, prayer, and other crap (for lack of a better word) here in the past year than there has been talk of the actual REAL facts of FELV. I learned SO MUCH here in the past 6 years that I made an entire WEBSITE out of that info. In the past year, I honestly think I've learned maybe 2 or 3 things here, and the rest has just been loads of fantastical blind FAITH in NOTHING! I'm leaving.. again... I'll be back... later. I always come back, eventually. I can only HOPE that while I am gone, people will get a GRIP on reality, and pull their heads out of la-la land! If you want to change my mind, if you think I am wrong, I openly invite anyone of you (or your pet psychics) to send me a SIGN. I'll be sitting here waiting for the sounds of heralding angels Ahhh! (cue the organ music) and beams of bright light and spirits floating around in the room with me. I'll be awaiting little kitties with wings taking flight by my head, lighting on my shoulder, whispering Meow do you believe in us? in my ear, while it rains glittery pixie dust in my room. Please send them my way. Maybe I can ask them, while they are here, the meaning of life, why there is suffering in the world, and when will we ever know world peace. Someone please email Michelle, and let her know I am gone, and that it's safe to come back now. Phaewryn
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I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal attack. I truly believe in AC and know a number of people who practice it. It has worked for me and it has worked for them. I am sorry it has not worked for you. Perhaps one day. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. The idea that any of you actually BELIEVE that anyone can psychically communicate with an animal is, to me, ABSURD. I think the animal communication business is a FRAUD taking advantage of people and their love of their pets (and often, their weakened mental status because of desperation and stress). There may actually BE good people out there who REALLY believe they communicate with animals... people who are not frauds, people with good hearts, but out of touch with reality. I'm not saying ALL AC's are just out to make a buck or gain fame, but really, you can't PROVE this stuff exists, and it's proven fact that other humans WILL take advantage when given a chance! Anyone remember snake oil? HELLO?! You know what? This list has of recent had SO MANY emails about animal communication, that it seems to be THE answer to EVERYTHING! I just can't fathom the emotional susceptibility of a person to actually believe in something so FAR OUT THERE and so obviously unable to be proven. And to put an animals LIFE, or the question of PHYSICAL MUTILATION, on the line based on what could just as well be as valid as flipping a coin, well, it's just unfathomable, I just can't come up with any other word for it! It's like a NEW RELIGION... You can't see, it, you can't prove it, you can't feel it, you can't do anything to prove it exists, yet you just blindly throw your faith into it, and put everything you own in your heart into this belief in the unprovable! I JUST DO NOT GET IT ! In my opinion, all the talk of animal communication on this list has made it's validity LAUGHABLE in the past year. This used to be a place where people could come get answers based in REAL EXPERIENCE and scientific studies, and it was a place to come to for education on the scientific facts behind FELV (among other feline health topics) and answers to questions about MEDICINE. This used to be a place where when a vet was not so helpful, an owner could come here and ask questions and leave feeling like they got solid, helpful, and scientific advice and treatment options. There has been more talk of psychic communication, afterlife, prayer, and other crap (for lack of a better word) here in the past year than there has been talk of the actual REAL facts of FELV. I learned SO MUCH here in the past 6 years that I made an entire WEBSITE out of that info. In the past year, I honestly think I've learned maybe 2 or 3 things here, and the rest has just been loads of fantastical blind FAITH in NOTHING! I'm leaving.. again... I'll be back... later. I always come back, eventually. I can only HOPE that while I am gone, people will get a GRIP on reality, and pull their heads out of la-la land! If you want to change my mind, if you think I am wrong, I openly invite anyone of you (or your pet psychics) to send me a SIGN. I'll be sitting here waiting for the sounds of heralding angels Ahhh! (cue the organ music) and beams of bright light and spirits floating around in the room with me. I'll be awaiting little kitties with wings taking flight by my head, lighting on my shoulder, whispering Meow do you believe in us? in my ear, while it rains glittery pixie dust in my room. Please send them my way. Maybe I can ask them, while they are here, the meaning of life, why there is suffering in the world, and when will we ever know world peace. Someone please email Michelle, and let her know I am gone, and that it's safe to come back now. Phaewryn
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I was disturbed by the below message. There is nothing wrong with people believing in certain things. If those things bring them comfort how could it ever be wrong? I read Phaewryn’s my space blog and it seems to me she is someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues. She comes across as being a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for what it is worth – just someone blowing off steam. It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person doesn’t believe strongly in something. Faith is the healing force and there is nothing wrong with saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to make us see what is truly important in our lives. Myself, I would say I wouldn’t go to any psychic readings of any type, but that’s me. I do believe there are things that are mystical or paranormal, etc…, but I have always wondered where those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I don’t know then I choose not to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in it – then that is their choice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal attack. I truly believe in AC and know a number of people who practice it. It has worked for me and it has worked for them. I am sorry it has not worked for you. Perhaps one day. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HYPERLINK mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. The idea that any of you actually BELIEVE that anyone can psychically communicate with an animal is, to me, ABSURD. I think the animal communication business is a FRAUD taking advantage of people and their love of their pets (and often, their weakened mental status because of desperation and stress). There may actually BE good people out there who REALLY believe they communicate with animals... people who are not frauds, people with good hearts, but out of touch with reality. I'm not saying ALL AC's are just out to make a buck or gain fame, but really, you can't PROVE this stuff exists, and it's proven fact that other humans WILL take advantage when given a chance! Anyone remember snake oil? HELLO?! You know what? This list has of recent had SO MANY emails about animal communication, that it seems to be THE answer to EVERYTHING! I just can't fathom the emotional susceptibility of a person to actually believe in something so FAR OUT THERE and so obviously unable to be proven. And to put an animals LIFE, or the question of PHYSICAL MUTILATION, on the line based on what could just as well be as valid as flipping a coin, well, it's just unfathomable, I just can't come up with any other word for it! It's like a NEW RELIGION... You can't see, it, you can't prove it, you can't feel it, you can't do anything to prove it exists, yet you just blindly throw your faith into it, and put everything you own in your heart into this belief in the unprovable! I JUST DO NOT GET IT ! In my opinion, all the talk of animal communication on this list has made it's validity LAUGHABLE in the past year. This used to be a place where people could come get answers based in REAL EXPERIENCE and scientific studies, and it was a place to come to for education on the scientific facts behind FELV (among other feline health topics) and answers to questions about MEDICINE. This used to be a place where when a vet was not so helpful, an owner could come here and ask questions and leave feeling like they got solid, helpful, and scientific advice and treatment options. There has been more talk of psychic communication, afterlife, prayer, and other crap (for lack of a better word) here in the past year than there has been talk of the actual REAL facts of FELV. I learned SO MUCH here in the past 6 years that I made an entire WEBSITE out of that info. In the past year, I honestly think I've learned maybe 2 or 3 things here, and the rest has just been loads of fantastical blind FAITH in NOTHING! I'm leaving.. again... I'll be back... later. I always come back, eventually. I can only HOPE that while I am gone, people will get a GRIP on reality, and pull their heads
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Wow!! Now THAT was a vent!!! That said i agree with Debbie, but there is something more important at stake here. I personally have found this list to be one of the most caring ones around. You guys were supportive of me during our move, and even offered suggestions. Not one other list was as helpful. No, it didn't have much to do with FeLV (although Ki was the ONLY one who scared the crap out of me during that ordeal. He is doing well, anyway...) but I needed support. I have a CRF kitty, one with FIV and diabetes, one with FIV and stomatitis, one with just stomatitis (just, hah!) and an asthmatic. The others are healthy. But darnit, I was scared. No one likes to think about losing their furkid, and I have lost my share, and will again. Point is, we all need a kind word now and again. And suggestions, too. We may not alwys agree, but hey, they were given from the heart, and we need to be mature enough to take what we want and keep our mouth's shut if we don't like them. The internet brings peoples of all beliefs together...that is what is so facinating about it! One of my best friend is a Pagan. I don't believe in all of it, but I learned about it and was surprised! We are free to take it or leave it And, if you decide to leave it, do it with grace. In friendship, Dede and Ki (and all the rest) --- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was disturbed by the below message. There is nothing wrong with people believing in certain things. If those things bring them comfort how could it ever be wrong? I read Phaewryns my space blog and it seems to me she is someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues. She comes across as being a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for what it is worth just someone blowing off steam. It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person doesnt believe strongly in something. Faith is the healing force and there is nothing wrong with saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to make us see what is truly important in our lives. Myself, I would say I wouldnt go to any psychic readings of any type, but thats me. I do believe there are things that are mystical or paranormal, etc , but I have always wondered where those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I dont know then I choose not to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in it then that is their choice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal attack. I truly believe in AC and know a number of people who practice it. It has worked for me and it has worked for them. I am sorry it has not worked for you. Perhaps one day. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HYPERLINK mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. The idea that any of you actually BELIEVE that anyone can psychically communicate with an animal is, to me, ABSURD. I think the animal communication business is a FRAUD taking advantage of people and their love of their pets (and often, their weakened mental status because of desperation and stress). There may actually BE good people out there who REALLY believe they communicate with animals... people who are not frauds, people with good hearts, but out of touch with reality. I'm not saying ALL AC's are just out to make a buck or gain fame, but really, you can't PROVE this stuff exists, and it's proven fact that other humans WILL take advantage when given a chance! Anyone remember snake oil? HELLO?! You know what? This list has of recent had SO MANY emails about animal communication, that it seems to be THE answer to EVERYTHING! I just can't fathom the emotional susceptibility of a person to actually believe in something so FAR OUT THERE and so obviously unable to be proven. And to put an animals LIFE, or the question of PHYSICAL MUTILATION, on the line based on what could just as well be as valid as flipping a coin, well, it's just unfathomable, I just can't
