Re: To Pam: Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused by anemia?
Agreed on the Cricket point. I do not disagree with what you are saying about pts (although we can never really know whether one will pull through or not as it's not for us to know), but rather how you are presenting it. I just want people to feel comfortable here and be given advice in a way that doesn't alienate them. I know it's not my 'website', but I feel strongly that it's important for people to come here for guidance and knowledge given in an open manner. It's tricky, because the whole nature of this site is via advice, but the advice has to be presented in a certain way. Of course, if someone is allowing their cat to bleed to death or being cruel to it, I would be screaming at them. But other than that, my opinions are just that. Given with the understanding that they may be taken or they may not be. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that these folks love their furbabies and will do what's best for them based on their understanding and not mine. That being said, I am glad you are part of this group and think you have so much to offer other members. You have a vast knowledge of kitty health and it is valued. :) Wendy --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I am not judging at all. I am only offering my advice (unsolicited, admittedly, but then all of our advice unsolicited basically, is really just offered) based on experience on what Cassandra has said about Kisa's condition difficulty breathing, which we all know is an extremely serious condition. I believe she is near the end that the loving thing to do at this point is to release her from what she is going through. I think it IS urgent that that be done in order to spare her additional suffering. I am not an animal communicator (altho there have been those instances) so I can't say that I know what Kisa wants, but I feel strongly for her believe as strongly that if she could say so, she would ask to be let go. Finally, may I respectfully point out too that your recounting of Cricket's death is all the more reason to spare Kisa the same. Pam wendy wrote: Pam, I respect your opinion regarding Kisa, and don't necessarily disagree with it. But be aware and respectful that not everyone believes the same way. If I could have done things differently, knowing how my last kitty died, I would have pts. But on the other hand, my grandmother died on her own at home; she chose that instead of being doped up at a hospital. A person's (or cat's) choices that must be made, are theirs alone, whether others believe they reflect love or ignorance or whatever. If Cassandra chooses to pts or not, it's her and Kisa's decision. Please don't judge her for the route she takes. She certainly wouldn't harm Kisa intentionally. She loves her. With everything else she is dealing with, gentle guidance is what she needs from us. Urgent pleas will only add to the confusion and stress she and Kisa are already under. :) Wendy --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you must realize that not being able to breathe properly is very frightening very grave. It is very very hard on her to not be able to breathe! Please take her to the vet or the ER let her go. She is so ill has deteriorated so far that trying to treat her any further is only extending her suffering. Do not wait for her to slip away on her own as it is dooming her to only more suffering. If the vet won't come to you, then please take her in now. Pam C J wrote: I've been searching the web for info on respiratory distress, but can't seem to find what i'm looking for. Kisa's breathing is very rapid and deep, and she has her mouth slightly open most of the time. I can't decide if I should take her in to be put to sleep. I am just wondering if anyone has experience with this, and how long will an animal last in this sort of condition? I am sure she isn't feeling very well at all, but I don't know if she is in pain, or just some discomfort. If this is going to go on for days, I should probably put her to sleep. How will an animal die if the respiratory distress keeps getting worse? Will it be a painful ending, or just a cessation of breathing eventually? Thanks for any input. Cassandra Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
Re: To Pam: Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused by anemia?
Wendy, I wanted to write and support your point here about tempering our ardent opinions in ways that will help those suffering best benefit by them. I'm glad you decided to speak up about it, it doesn't hurt to remind everyone about being careful to not appear judgmental or authoritative. I also understand how hard it is to not be zealous in our desire to enlighten people about what has worked for us. All we want to do is help each other, we have to be careful not to hurt and/or alienate in the process. Nina wendy wrote: I just want people to feel comfortable here and be given advice in a way that doesn't alienate them. I know it's not my 'website', but I feel strongly that it's important for people to come here for guidance and knowledge given in an open manner. It's tricky, because the whole nature of this site is via advice, but the advice has to be presented in a certain way.
Re: To Pam: Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused by anemia?
Wendy, I am not judging at all. I am only offering my advice (unsolicited, admittedly, but then all of our advice unsolicited basically, is really just offered) based on experience on what Cassandra has said about Kisa's condition difficulty breathing, which we all know is an extremely serious condition. I believe she is near the end that the loving thing to do at this point is to release her from what she is going through. I think it IS urgent that that be done in order to spare her additional suffering. I am not an animal communicator (altho there have been those instances) so I can't say that I know what Kisa wants, but I feel strongly for her believe as strongly that if she could say so, she would ask to be let go. Finally, may I respectfully point out too that your recounting of Cricket's death is all the more reason to spare Kisa the same. Pam wendy wrote: Pam, I respect your opinion regarding Kisa, and don't necessarily disagree with it. But be aware and respectful that not everyone believes the same way. If I could have done things differently, knowing how my last kitty died, I would have pts. But on the other hand, my grandmother died on her own at home; she chose that instead of being doped up at a hospital. A person's (or cat's) choices that must be made, are theirs alone, whether others believe they reflect love or ignorance or whatever. If Cassandra chooses to pts or not, it's her and Kisa's decision. Please don't judge her for the route she takes. She certainly wouldn't harm Kisa intentionally. She loves her. With everything else she is dealing with, gentle guidance is what she needs from us. Urgent pleas will only add to the confusion and stress she and Kisa are already under. :) Wendy --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you must realize that not being able to breathe properly is very frightening very grave. It is very very hard on her to not be able to breathe! Please take her to the vet or the ER let her go. She is so ill has deteriorated so far that trying to treat her any further is only extending her suffering. Do not wait for her to slip away on her own as it is dooming her to only more suffering. If the vet won't come to you, then please take her in now. Pam C J wrote: I've been searching the web for info on respiratory distress, but can't seem to find what i'm looking for. Kisa's breathing is very rapid and deep, and she has her mouth slightly open most of the time. I can't decide if I should take her in to be put to sleep. I am just wondering if anyone has experience with this, and how long will an animal last in this sort of condition? I am sure she isn't feeling very well at all, but I don't know if she is in pain, or just some discomfort. If this is going to go on for days, I should probably put her to sleep. How will an animal die if the respiratory distress keeps getting worse? Will it be a painful ending, or just a cessation of breathing eventually? Thanks for any input. Cassandra Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
To Pam: Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused by anemia?
Pam, I respect your opinion regarding Kisa, and don't necessarily disagree with it. But be aware and respectful that not everyone believes the same way. If I could have done things differently, knowing how my last kitty died, I would have pts. But on the other hand, my grandmother died on her own at home; she chose that instead of being doped up at a hospital. A person's (or cat's) choices that must be made, are theirs alone, whether others believe they reflect love or ignorance or whatever. If Cassandra chooses to pts or not, it's her and Kisa's decision. Please don't judge her for the route she takes. She certainly wouldn't harm Kisa intentionally. She loves her. With everything else she is dealing with, gentle guidance is what she needs from us. Urgent pleas will only add to the confusion and stress she and Kisa are already under. :) Wendy --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you must realize that not being able to breathe properly is very frightening very grave. It is very very hard on her to not be able to breathe! Please take her to the vet or the ER let her go. She is so ill has deteriorated so far that trying to treat her any further is only extending her suffering. Do not wait for her to slip away on her own as it is dooming her to only more suffering. If the vet won't come to you, then please take her in now. Pam C J wrote: I've been searching the web for info on respiratory distress, but can't seem to find what i'm looking for. Kisa's breathing is very rapid and deep, and she has her mouth slightly open most of the time. I can't decide if I should take her in to be put to sleep. I am just wondering if anyone has experience with this, and how long will an animal last in this sort of condition? I am sure she isn't feeling very well at all, but I don't know if she is in pain, or just some discomfort. If this is going to go on for days, I should probably put her to sleep. How will an animal die if the respiratory distress keeps getting worse? Will it be a painful ending, or just a cessation of breathing eventually? Thanks for any input. Cassandra Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
