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Wendy,I just had a thought reading your message. lol. Why don't YOU just pee all over their dining room carpet next time you're there. Then maybe you won't have to go over there again! Really! I'm sure their daughter has had accidents before. If not, she will sometime. And when they get older they may just have accidents themselves. People! Ugh!twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis past spring because it was urinating in their newhome in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be very pleasant to be around. I catchmyself wishing bad things on them when I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not muchchance of it becoming illegal.:)Wendy__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Sandy, your story made me angry too. That poor kitty. I am so glad that we have angels watching over us and a God to pray to because we humans can really make a mess of things. It's a good thing there is something better after life here because it can get very depressing. I don't even watch the evening news anymore because it's SO depressing!!! Your story made me consider the elderly. When our parents or aunts and uncles or whoever we care about get elderly, and have accidents or begin to become disoriented or get terminal cancer or some other terminal ailment, we don't give up on them because they are dear to us (I know, in real life, this isn't always true, but generally it is). We love them, and we do WHATEVER we have to to help them, just as they cared for us when we were small and helpless. We buy diapers for them, along with groceries and essentials, as some can't drive anymore. We might even have to put the diapers on them or bathe or feed our loved ones. We make sure they have the medical care and medication they need, and in a timely manner. We read to them if they can't see well, or play cards with them, or cut their hair for them or take them to get it cut. We find a quality rest home if they need more care than we can provide them at home or if we are wealthy, we might provide a full-time nurse for them at home. And when they are dying, we are there with them until they are gone. We don't tuck tail and run when times get tough. We aren't perfect, and we don't do everything perfectly, but we do the best we can. We ADJUST our lives however we have to to see them through. And it should be that way with our animals too, and I don't understand people who aren't that way. Thank goodness your two dogs have you now Sandy. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
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wendy wrote: anymore because it's SO depressing!!! Your story made me consider the elderly. When our parents or aunts and uncles or whoever we care about get elderly, and have accidents or begin to become disoriented or get terminal cancer or some other terminal ailment, we don't give up on them because they are dear to us (I know, in real life, this isn't always true, but generally it is). Sadly, it wasn't true in my family... My dad's parents lived with us for years, and despite the fact that there were 3 children other than my dad, 2 of them much better off financially, no one ever chipped in a minute of time or a dime. Granny and Paw both ended up in a facility in the end, but they lived with us for ten years before that. When my grandmother died two years ago, she and I were very, very close. I went with one of my aunts to get her a dress to be burried in, she had gained a considerable amount of weight in the nursing home. My aunt refused to buy her shoes or underwear because No one will see it, so I'm not spending the money on it. At that point in our shopping trip (Friday night, big mall, packed out), she shoved the dress in my hand and walked off leaving me in the mall crying. Before we burried her the next day I checked to make sure she *still* had the shoes on. People like this make me so mad... I've not spoken to this aunt since, but I think of this often. Last year when my kitty died (it's been a year today) at the vets my family thought I was sick for burrying her... Can you imagine people who don't burry/cremate their pets and just let the vet throw them away? People are sick horrible creatures... Steph
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This makes me very sick too. I had no idea how common this was - humans are the cruelest beings to ever walk the planet. Is it any wonder we prefer the company of our animals. Bad toilet habits can be due to many things as we know - people should be required to take a basic animal healthcare exam before being allowed to keep animals in my eyes. I hate it when people get animals just to entertain their kids too - this happened to a donkey at the sanctuary and when the kids grew up and he was old the owners didn't want him anymore so he went to sanctuary. He was at deaths door and despite treatment he was so depressed that he gave up and died. He was a lovely boy too. I hate stories like this about all animals. When Buddy first came home she pooped behind the sofa because she was too scared of her new environment to go to the litter box - so I put a box behind the sofa for her. She used that for a day before she came out of hiding. Minstrel and Buddy are both fussy as was Bramble - none like their feet dirty and try and stand on the sides of tray - so cute. I have to scoop and clean every day or scoop out twice a day and clean every other day if I'm lucky. In the last few years before we lost my dog Gemma - she became very incontinent - partly due to being overweight at one point and then she lost weight but her age meant her bladder was weaker. We tried medications but she was still incontinent and even more so after her CVA (lot of urine too as she was a big dog). We would never have dreamed about euthanasing her because of that. We put up with a smelly carpet and lots of cleaning and deodorising. Bad toileting is not the animals fault and to kill them because of it is sickening. People who can do that should not be allowed to own an animal as they don't deserve them. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
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Absolutely, I wish these people who kill animals for such reasons be punished - I need justice for all kitties and doggies who have been killed for these reasons. If you guys remember, my neighbor abandoned the kitty to wild, Squeekie who kept peeing outside of the litter box after she was being at her house for two years (she was a feral cat, and my neighbor adopted her inside of the house) - so I staked for a week or so, and re-trapped her so that I could adopt her... she was never litter box trained right and that's why she did not know to use a litter box.. so I re-introduced her to a litter box after I finally was able to trap her.. and at my house, she has no problem of using a litter box at all whatsoever ---I am going to pray for all the animals who have been killed by us, human beings are going to come back to have a better life... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:31 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits This makes me very sick too. I had no idea how common this was - humans are the cruelest beings to ever walk the planet. Is it any wonder we prefer the company of our animals. Bad toilet habits can be due to many things as we know - people should be required to take a basic animal healthcare exam before being allowed to keep animals in my eyes. I hate it when people get animals just to entertain their kids too - this happened to a donkey at the sanctuary and when the kids grew up and he was old the owners didn't want him anymore so he went to sanctuary. He was at deaths door and despite treatment he was so depressed that he gave up and died. He was a lovely boy too. I hate stories like this about all animals. When Buddy first came home she pooped behind the sofa because she was too scared of her new environment to go to the litter box - so I put a box behind the sofa for her. She used that for a day before she came out of hiding. Minstrel and Buddy are both fussy as was Bramble - none like their feet dirty and try and stand on the sides of tray - so cute. I have to scoop and clean every day or scoop out twice a day and clean every other day if I'm lucky. In the last few years before we lost my dog Gemma - she became very incontinent - partly due to being overweight at one point and then she lost weight but her age meant her bladder was weaker. We tried medications but she was still incontinent and even more so after her CVA (lot of urine too as she was a big dog). We would never have dreamed about euthanasing her because of that. We put up with a smelly carpet and lots of cleaning and deodorising. Bad toileting is not the animals fault and to kill them because of it is sickening. People who can do that should not be allowed to own an animal as they don't deserve them. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
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Aw, Thank you Wendy. I did not tell you all that to toot my own horn, because I have made some mistakes in my life with animal companions that make me cringe to think about. But I do feel like more people need to be more understanding and patient with fuzzies, especially after they get a little older. And boy, some days like today, it sure was hard not to scold the dogs while I was cleaning up pee when I got home today. :) I kept telling myself, they are only dogs,and they get anxious when we are not home. The pee cleans right up. But it's hard to come home after a long day at work, when I've been on my feet all day and all I can think about is getting home so I can take off my bra and my shoes! But I can't because if I did, I would have wet socks! So I had to clean up pee first. And Wendy, I do relate what we are talking about to the elderly, too. I never knew my grandparents, and I really enjoy elderly patients. In my doctor's practice, we see a lot more elderly folks than we do young folks just because of the nature of his specialty. I lost my parents young, so I always consider it such a blessing when I am acquainted with elderly patients. I always wonder if their children, grandchildren etc, are aware of how lucky they are to still have them around, no matter how much trouble they are, they are worth it! I try to make sure that I am as cheery as I can be when we are in clinic, and treat them like gold because I never knew my grandparents, either. I love hearing stories about way back when. :) There's so much value in what they still have to tell us, if we only listen. Sandy San
euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much chance of it becoming illegal. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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In a message dated 11/29/05 1:46:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. That's exactly the reason I got the two Maine Coon boys Both brought to vets for euthanasia for that reason... Worked with a compassionate vet, who refused to euthanize for "convenience" of owner". Both times, when working alone with that vet in evening, "victim" smuggled out, both in "Feline Protection Program"...with me!! As far as the other vets in that practice, euthanasia was done as often as nail trims.. (As dictated by owners of practice) Sadly, the compassionate vet is no longer with that practice. Her compassion was considered "insubordination". Patti
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I think that is why some animal welfare groups are advocating for guardianship status rather than ownership so that people, including breeders, can't have animals killed for frivolous reasons. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:26 pm Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org In a message dated 11/29/05 1:46:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. That's exactly the reason I got the two Maine Coon boys Both brought to vets for euthanasia for that reason... Worked with a compassionate vet, who refused to euthanize for convenience of owner. Both times, when working alone with that vet in evening, victim smuggled out, both in Feline Protection Program...with me!! As far as the other vets in that practice, euthanasia was done as often as nail trims.. (As dictated by owners of practice) Sadly, the compassionate vet is no longer with that practice. Her compassion was considered insubordination. Patti
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In a message dated 11/29/05 2:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When Iread her surrender form, the people had written that they cleaned herlitterbox ONCE A WEEK Yes, isn't it amazing that these felines would actually want a clean place to do their business??!!? And, incidentally, both my X-Large boys are declawed!! DUH!! No excuse for ignorance in my book. Patti
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Good for you Patti. I wish all kitties were as lucky as your two Maine Coons!!! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/05 1:46:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. That's exactly the reason I got the two Maine Coon boys Both brought to vets for euthanasia for that reason... Worked with a compassionate vet, who refused to euthanize for convenience of owner. Both times, when working alone with that vet in evening, victim smuggled out, both in Feline Protection Program...with me!! As far as the other vets in that practice, euthanasia was done as often as nail trims.. (As dictated by owners of practice) Sadly, the compassionate vet is no longer with that practice. Her compassion was considered insubordination. Patti __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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I think the big picture here is EDUCATION. So many people are uneducated about their animals, which is irresponsible in and of itself (at least not knowing the basics, like cleaning the litter box often!!!). Of course, that's the problem with many things wrong in life if you think about it, like prejudice, neglect, etc. Then again, there are those people out there that we talked about last week who are just mean. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/05 2:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I read her surrender form, the people had written that they cleaned her litterbox ONCE A WEEK Yes, isn't it amazing that these felines would actually want a clean place to do their business??!!? And, incidentally, both my X-Large boys are declawed!! DUH!! No excuse for ignorance in my book. Patti __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis past spring because it was urinating in their newhome in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be very pleasant to be around. I catchmyself wishing bad things on them when I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not muchchance of it becoming illegal.:)Wendy__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals
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I know.. , but "sadly" there are just so many cats that are euthanized because of "improper elimination"... If only people would educate themselves... (I know, I'm dreaming) So many cases are due to: 1) UTI's (urinary tract infections) 2) DIRTY litterboxes 3) DECLAWING 4) Emotional upsets (That CAN be dealt with!!! After all, in 99% of these cases it is the human who brings on stress ~ moving, new baby, new "pet"...I could go on on...) This is just one of the many reasons I prefer the company of my fur-kids! (No offense to any of you special people on this list intended. I am sure you can all relate.) Patti
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In a message dated 11/29/05 3:05:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the big picture here is EDUCATION Yepwe are on the same wave length, or we're both just dreamers.
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I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant... Wendy --- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much chance of it becoming illegal. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious Feline. She is an animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio. http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php Boonie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant... Wendy --- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much chance of it becoming illegal. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Thanks Bonnie. I will have to read it. :) Wendy --- BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious Feline. She is an animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio. http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php Boonie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant... Wendy --- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much chance of it becoming illegal. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Lucky Rosalie, after you found her. That's wonderful. So many people are so lacking in compassion--if it wasn't for the support this group gives me I'd be permanently in despair, I think. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BONNIE J KALMBACH Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits That's how I came to adopt my orange girl Rosalie. She had a BIG sign on her cage at the Humane Society that said Litter Box problems. When I read her surrender form, the people had written that they cleaned her litterbox ONCE A WEEK! I've had this charming playful bouncy girl for four years now and she had hasn't had any accidents at all. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:45 pm Subject: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much chance of it becoming illegal. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Title: Message You're right, Patti. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits In a message dated 11/29/05 2:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When Iread her surrender form, the people had written that they cleaned herlitterbox ONCE A WEEK Yes, isn't it amazing that these felines would actually want a clean place to do their business??!!? And, incidentally, both my X-Large boys are declawed!! DUH!! No excuse for ignorance in my book. Patti =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Oh you bet it is! I deal with on regular basics! Just pisses me off! My Vets are good about calling rescues in when they get beautiful kitties that come from situations like this...g! In a message dated 11/29/2005 12:22:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: know.. , but "sadly" there are just so many cats that are euthanized because of "improper elimination"... If only people would educate themselves... (I know, I'm dreaming) So many cases are due to: 1) UTI's (urinary tract infections) 2) DIRTY litterboxes 3) DECLAWING 4) Emotional upsets (That CAN be dealt with!!! After all, in 99% of these cases it is the human who brings on stress ~ moving, new baby, new "pet"...I could go on on...) This is just one of the many reasons I prefer the company of my fur-kids! (No offense to any of you special people on this list intended. I am sure you can all relate.) Patti Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
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Title: Message What sort of vet agrees to it, anyway? Hmmm, I must ask my vet what his experience in this respect is. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis past spring because it was urinating in! their newhome in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be very pleasant to be around. I catchmyself wishing bad things on them when I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not muchchance of it becoming illegal.:)Wendy__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! PersonalsSingle? There's someone we'd like you to meet.Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Welcome to the club! We all rant over crap like this because we know it's a excuse to dump a kitty! Some are educated but don't give a rat's a$$ they don't want to deal with it. It isnovelty at first! Especially with the purebreds. They are the ones I feel sorry for. You know I'm beginning to believe we are superior on this group over other humans. Wouldn't ya just like to slap/beat the crapout ofa few humans??? g In a message dated 11/29/2005 12:27:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry about the rant...Wendy Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
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Title: Message I can't even stand reading this string of emails because it's so upsetting.. but I also know that it's common... I have a friend who is a vet tech and she tells me that it happens all the time.. she so far adopted about 6 of kitties who were brought to the clinic and one dog because they are otherwise perfectly healthy... it makes me s sad and mad and am afraid to find out how often this happens. I have many cats at home who have a same problem... and yes it's frustrating and I get mad at them..but I can't imagine putting them sleep for it... I have a co-worker who did that.. he got rabies vaccinations and it damgaed his brain and started urinating out side of litter box and she killed him.. how awful is that.. if she had told me, I would have adopted him in a heart beat.. this was a couple of years ago and still makes me cry thinking about him. he was a very shy and timid sweet boy.. he did not do anythign wrong.. he was a victim of vaccine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits What sort of vet agrees to it, anyway? Hmmm, I must ask my vet what his experience in this respect is. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis past spring because it was urinating in! their newhome in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be very pleasant to be around. I catchmyself wishing bad things on them when I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not muchchance of it becoming illegal.:)Wendy__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! PersonalsSingle? There's someone we'd like you to meet.Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have
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Title: Message Oh, yes, we all relate. I'm struggling with how to talk to people that would do this sort of thing. I'm instinctively a big mouth, and that's not a way to win people over. And most of my friends do not have pets---I only saw the light myself about 9 years ago after a cat was thrust upon me. I didn't dislike animals, I just didn't want one living with me. (I was putty in his paws within 24 hours andone friend still says to this day she can't believe it where it's taken me.) So I need to remember how I was. And take it from there, I guess. -Original MessageFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:21 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits I know.. , but "sadly" there are just so many cats that are euthanized because of "improper elimination"... If only people would educate themselves... (I know, I'm dreaming) So many cases are due to: 1) UTI's (urinary tract infections) 2) DIRTY litterboxes 3) DECLAWING 4) Emotional upsets (That CAN be dealt with!!! After all, in 99% of these cases it is the human who brings on stress ~ moving, new baby, new "pet"...I could go on on...) This is just one of the many reasons I prefer the company of my fur-kids! (No offense to any of you special people on this list intended. I am sure you can all relate.) Patti =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BONNIE J KALMBACH Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious Feline. She is an animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio. http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php Boonie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant... Wendy --- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much chance of it becoming illegal. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email
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I really think my kitty needs to be an only kitty in a household and there isn't much I can do about that. Placing cats in these parts is impossible because every cat lover has at least 3 more than they already need.Plus, I adore her and don't want to give her away. I clean boxes twice a day. Plus, they have the option to go outside which most of them prefer. I have read all the books and done everything I know. She gets along with the other cats in that she doesn't get into fights and gets her share of the food. She just doesn't want to use a box they have used.No matter how clean it is. The litter does not matter. I can't find a place to put a box where she is the only cat that will use it. She does the best she can and I do the bestI can. I don't think she is horribly stressed out as much as just particular. She'sa very cheerful cat.BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommed Patricia McConnell's book "The Fastidious Feline". She is ananimal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio.http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.phpBooniewww.elephants.com- Original Message -From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pmSubject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habitsTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant... Wendy --- Lewis Faye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved" cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much chance of it becoming illegal.:) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
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This might help. Our geriatric kitty, Julie (my little brother named her 16 years ago), will not go to the bathroom unless we open the door for her to go. Nevermind the fact that right in front of her there is a kitty door that leads to the kitties' bathroom (it's a room inside our garage we built for the litter boxes that you have to go through to get to the garage; works great!). She doesn't want to go through the kitty door. It's so funny. She will tell us when she's ready to go. Maybe you could build your kitty a little bathroom or put her box in a bathroom or some other room where no one else can use the box and take her in the mornings and evenings and before you go to bed. You never know. She might catch on. ;) Wendy --- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really think my kitty needs to be an only kitty in a household and there isn't much I can do about that. Placing cats in these parts is impossible because every cat lover has at least 3 more than they already need. Plus, I adore her and don't want to give her away. I clean boxes twice a day. Plus, they have the option to go outside which most of them prefer. I have read all the books and done everything I know. She gets along with the other cats in that she doesn't get into fights and gets her share of the food. She just doesn't want to use a box they have used. No matter how clean it is. The litter does not matter. I can't find a place to put a box where she is the only cat that will use it. She does the best she can and I do the best I can. I don't think she is horribly stressed out as much as just particular. She's a very cheerful cat. BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious Feline. She is an animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio. http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php Boonie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: wendy Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant... Wendy --- Lewis Faye wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion
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Unless I separated her from the other cats at night would that be possible. That wouldn't be fair because she likes to sleep with her brothers.She goes outside every morning and evening and will actually go then. Then about 4 a.m., she goes again in the house, outside the box. She is only a year old. She has been vet checked.I have another kitty (her sister)that isn't too bright. I really think she had some kind of oxygen deprivation at birthbecause everything was hard for her to learn. She was the last to litterbox train but after constant retraining, she finally mastered the concept. She never misses now. The one that misses, learned the concept early but just ignores it. She is the only catthat I have owned in my life that did this. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might help. Our geriatric kitty, Julie (mylittle brother named her 16 years ago), will not go tothe bathroom unless we open the door for her to go. Nevermind the fact that right in front of her there isa kitty door that leads to the kitties' bathroom (it'sa room inside our garage we built for the litter boxesthat you have to go through to get to the garage;works great!). She doesn't want to go through thekitty door. It's so funny. She will tell us whenshe's ready to go. Maybe you could build your kitty alittle bathroom or put her box in a bathroom or someother room where no one else can use the box and takeher in the mornings and evenings and before you go tobed. You never know. She might catch on.;)Wendy--- Lewis Faye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I really think my kitty needs to be an only kitty in a household and there isn't much I can do about that. Placing cats in these parts is impossible because every cat lover has at least 3 more than they already need. Plus, I adore her and don't want to give her away. I clean boxes twice a day. Plus, they have the option to go outside which most of them prefer. I have read all the books and done everything I know. She gets along with the other cats in that she doesn't get into fights and gets her share of the food. She just doesn't want to use a box they have used. No matter how clean it is. The litter does not matter. I can't find a place to put a box where she is the only cat that will use it. She does the best she can and I do the best I can. I don't think she is horribly stressed out as much as just particular. She's a very cheerful cat. BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I recommed Patricia McConnell's book "The Fastidious Feline". She is an animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio. http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php Boonie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: wendy Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant...Wendy--- Lewis Faye wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box.She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved" cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about i
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Title: Message One friend of mine was privately defending to me another friend who had *bought* a puppy and was apparently considering getting rid of him---too much work (yeah, I know---what am I doing with friends like this). I didn't know this--thedog "guardian"apparently said that she knew I wd disown her if she did that. Anyway, the defense was, well, at least it's better she admits defeat and gives the dog up. All I could snarl in response was, well, people don't give their kids up when they find out they're hard work, do they? (I know, probably there are some who do, but generally people don't.) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:44 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits I can't even stand reading this string of emails because it's so upsetting.. but I also know that it's common... I have a friend who is a vet tech and she tells me that it happens all the time.. she so far adopted about 6 of kitties who were brought to the clinic and one dog because they are otherwise perfectly healthy... it makes me s sad and mad and am afraid to find out how often this happens. I have many cats at home who have a same problem... and yes it's frustrating and I get mad at them..but I can't imagine putting them sleep for it... I have a co-worker who did that.. he got rabies vaccinations and it damgaed his brain and started urinating out side of litter box and she killed him.. how awful is that.. if she had told me, I would have adopted him in a heart beat.. this was a couple of years ago and still makes me cry thinking about him. he was a very shy and timid sweet boy.. he did not do anythign wrong.. he was a victim of vaccine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits What sort of vet agrees to it, anyway? Hmmm, I must ask my vet what his experience in this respect is. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis past spring because it was urinating in! their newhome in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be very pleasant to be around. I catchmyself wishing bad things on them when I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not muchchance of it becoming illegal.:)Wendy__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! PersonalsSingle? There's someone we'd like you to meet.Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any ad
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Title: Message This thread upsets me too, but I amof the belief thatif afamily memberhas a problem, we don't put them to sleep, do we? I heard someone at work telling a water cooler story, and it was just horrifying to me, I just can't ever forget it. The guysaid that he and hiswife and kidsleft forseveral days at a relative's house, and they forgotten that theyhad letthe outside cat in the house.The cat's food and water were outside on the patio. The poor cathad no food or water for 5 days. While the family was gone, the kitty got so hungry, she had jumped up on the counter andfound bread. She chewed through the bag and ate the only thing she could find, which was the bread. Since cats don't eat bread, of course itupset her tummy. She had diarrhea all over the house. When thisfamily got home and his wife saw the mess that the kitty made, she dropped her bags, went straight for the kitty, grabbed her up, stuffed her in a pet carrier and took her straight to the humane society. The guy said the kids were crying, "NO!, Momma, don't! We love her!" but to no avail. The cat waspunished because this selfish woman got angry because she had to clean up cat poo. I was so angry when I heard this story. Well, no one likes to clean up cat poo, but can you imagine how very hungry the poor kitty must have been first of all to eat bread. And second of all, how anxious she must have felt, being locked in the house while her family was gone when she was used to being outside? I don't even know the cat's name, but my heart breaks every time I think about her. Both of my dogs arenot 100%on their housebreaking, and I've known few dogs who are. But while it is a pain to clean after the dogsall the time, I understand that they are both old, and are relatively anxious dogs.Our old beagle Bailey is a rescue after being abandoned, and she looked so sadfor so longeven after we adopted her, I know someone broke her heart. She's brightened up a bit, but someone has crushed her self esteem, and sheis very sensitive. Anychange in routine, and shecreates a lake in the den (that now has tile in it!)Same with other old dog.If the beagle pees, he pees, too. If we stay gone too long, we worry about them. But they are our family. We have just been slowly converting all the flooring in my house to tile.Weclean the furniture regularly, and have to wipe everything down in piddle range... Sandy --- Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits I can't even stand reading this string of emails because it's so upsetting.. but I also know that it's common... I have a friend who is a vet tech and she tells me that it happens all the time.. she so far adopted about 6 of kitties who were brought to the clinic and one dog because they are otherwise perfectly healthy... it makes me s sad and mad and am afraid to find out how often this happens. I have many cats at home who have a same problem... and yes it's frustrating and I get mad at them..but I can't imagine putting them sleep for it... I have a co-worker who did that.. he got rabies vaccinations and it damgaed his brain and started urinating out side of litter box and she killed him.. how awful is that.. if she had told me, I would have adopted him in a heart beat.. this was a couple of years ago and still makes me cry thinking about him. he was a very shy and timid sweet boy.. he did not do anythign wrong.. he was a victim of vaccine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits What sort of vet agrees to it, anyway? Hmmm, I must ask my vet what his experience in this respect is. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe
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what really scares me is what this type of human will be like when one of their children makes a mistake -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
