RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
Hi, Tonya, do you know if her liver condition got better with milk thisle and denosal? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem I'm sorry George is positive for fiv, but he's got himself a good home which is the most important thing. I had a cat with liver problems who took milk thistle. She also took something else that I can't recall the name of. I'll try to find it for you. She has since passed, but it was not from the liver disease. tonya Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite I felt like he trusted me somehow but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldnt do it because he was so wiggly anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that its going to be a plain short one I went ahead and gave them a permission I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery I was so nervous. My George did very well I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure. Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny all the blood work came back normal, except his liver his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem. As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal yeah!) anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know I would like to do everything I can do help him!! PS, he even lets me pet him I just love my little George!
RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
Thank you, Belinda, I will watch him very closely - I am hopeful (for some reason, just have a feeling), but it can change in a heart beat sometimes - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem Hi Hideyo, Cats that are eating can develope Fatty Liver if they are not eating enough and haven't been getting enough food for a while. My concern is if he is yellow and jaundice, it's more than a small problem, it is serious. Even Buddie with liver cancer and sepsis on top of it was barely yellow, so if he is noticably jaundice there must be a a pretty good amount of liver damage, not to say he can't overcome it, as you know the liver is pretty resilient. Just keep a very close eye on him, you don't want it to develope into Fatty Liver, it is major work and effort to pull a cat out of that. The best way to make sure a cat is getting enough food is get them to their optimum weight and make sure they are maintaining it. Just an FYI cholangial hepititis is also very serious, that is what my vet thought Buddie had, but it turned out it was cancer. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
As far as I remember it was 'controlled'. She was hard to pill and didn't get all her med.s very regularly as well. She later had a stroke and possible heart attack and I lost her due to that. tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Tonya, do you know if her liver condition got better with milk thisle and denosal? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:20 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem I'm sorry George is positive for fiv, but he's got himself a good home which is the most important thing. I had a cat with liver problems who took milk thistle. She also took something else that I can't recall the name of. I'll try to find it for you. She has since passed, but it was not from the liver disease. tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite I felt like he trusted me somehow but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldnt do it because he was so wiggly anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that its going to be a plain short one I went ahead and gave them a permission I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery I was so nervous. My George did very well I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure. Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny all the blood work came back normal, except his liver his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem. As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal yeah!) anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know I would like to do everything I can do help him!! PS, he even lets me pet him I just love my little George!
RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
Hi, Belinda, I just talked to my vet - He did not think he has Fatty Liver disease, since they usually don't eat - and thank god, George eats - he might have hepatitis - but the only way to make sure of it, he said, is to go through biopsy, which I refused to do on him right now. I guess regardless with the cause, I understand that there isn't really anything that the traditional medicine can offer to cure the problem, you just have to do everything you can with an environment, supplements, and diet so that he will be able to detoxify with his liver - he did suggest B-12 shots (which I gave him yesterday) and supplement called s-Adenosyl (supposed to heal liver - do you know anything about this? Please pray that his liver will only get better - I only to provide him a good life for a long time.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem Hideyo, What did the vet say was the reason for George's liver problem, is it Fatty Liver disease, cholangial hepititis, or something else?? Yes the liver can heal itself but if George is really jaundice and yellow you want to be very careful, this can be fatal (very quickly). You need to know why his liver is in the shape it is, it could be any number of things including cancer, I don't understand why your vet didn't give the cause, you can't treat if you don't know what is causing the problem?? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
I don't have any experience with liver problems in my babies, but I do remember a lot of people using milk thistle. Good for George Give him an extra pat or three for me:)Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite I felt like he trusted me somehow but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldnt do it because he was so wiggly anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that its going to be a plain short one I went ahead and gave them a permission I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery I was so nervous. My George did very well I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure. Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny all the blood work came back normal, except his liver his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem. As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal yeah!) anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know I would like to do everything I can do help him!! PS, he even lets me pet him I just love my little George! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
Hideyo, I have been using Milk Thistle for one of my guys and it is remarkable. I used the brand made by Animal Apawthecary and Bruce hates it, but it seems to keep help with his anemia. Also, someone at work, has a son who is on Milk Thistle and flourishing. JoanHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite I felt like he trusted me somehow but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldnt do it because he was so wiggly anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that its going to be a plain short one I went ahead and gave them a permission I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery I was so nervous. My George did very well I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure. Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny all the blood work came back normal, except his liver his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem. As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal yeah!) anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know I would like to do everything I can do help him!! PS, he even lets me pet him I just love my little George!
RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
Thank you, Joan it will be a challenging to trying to give it to him, but I will definitely try it! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan Doljan Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem Hideyo, I have been using Milk Thistle for one of my guys and it is remarkable. I used the brand made by Animal Apawthecary and Bruce hates it, but it seems to keep help with his anemia. Also, someone at work, has a son who is on Milk Thistle and flourishing. Joan Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite I felt like he trusted me somehow but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldnt do it because he was so wiggly anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that its going to be a plain short one I went ahead and gave them a permission I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery I was so nervous. My George did very well I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure. Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny all the blood work came back normal, except his liver his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem. As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal yeah!) anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know I would like to do everything I can do help him!! PS, he even lets me pet him I just love my little George!
RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
I am so very sorry to hear it, Belinda - was she jaundice,too? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem We did an xray because she started throwing up alot, it showed that her liver was enlarged. We then did an ultrasound to try and get a biopsy which they did get and it had cancer cells. My vet was thinking she had cholangial hepititis, but the biopsy showed cancer. She lived just over a year after we diagnosed it. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
Oh..Belinda, you are making me cry - what a sweet kitty she is - and how committed you are - now she is in the kitty heaven, and watching you as a guardian angel.. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem She was doing fine until she got the sepsis infection, then she wasn't eating very good and got very slightly jaundice by the time she beat the infection, so I decided to get a feeding tube. She was fighting the cancer so hard and beat the sepsis (which my vet was pretty sure she wasn't going to survive), I wasn't going to let her die from lack of food, something I could control. She had her tube for about two months and she loved it, we bonded like never before in that year that she was fighting the cancer, I was amazed at what she would put up with. Buddie was not a very social cat before she got cancer but became very social in that last year. She would run to the couch and wait when she heard me getting her feeding syringes ready and lay purring the whole time I fed her. When we were done she'd flop over on her side and take a snooze :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
I've no advice, but here's more positive vibes headed your way! =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem Hi, everyone I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite I felt like he trusted me somehow but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldnt do it because he was so wiggly anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that its going to be a plain short one I went ahead and gave them a permission I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery I was so nervous. My George did very well I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure. Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny all the blood work came back normal, except his liver his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem. As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal yeah!) anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know I would like to do everything I can do help him!! PS, he even lets me pet him I just love my little George!
Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
Hideyo, I have not been following the responses to your posts (am in the process of moving and do not have the time or energy). But my Simon had sky-high billirubin levels (25!), so here is some advice: 1. Denasyl (sp?) is better/stroonger than milk thistle, I think, for the liver. It comes from vets. But it is the same thing as SAMe, which you can get at the health food store. It can probably be given with milk thistle. 2. Liver so compromised can be from lymphoma, like with Simon, or from cholangiohepatitis, which is treatable with antibiotics, or from hepatic lipidosis, which requires a feeding tube. A biopsy is necessary to tell. You probably already know this, and maybe already got the biopsy-- again, I didn't read the whole thread so don't know. Lymphoma would be the worst case scenario, but Simon's bilirubin came down to almost normal with steroids and chemo (he died two months later from anemia). Michelle
Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
I have been giving Denosyl and Milk Thistle to Bruce. You do not need a prescription for it anymore. Joan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, I have not been following the responses to your posts (am in the process of moving and do not have the time or energy). But my Simon had sky-high billirubin levels (25!), so here is some advice: 1. Denasyl (sp?) is better/stroonger than milk thistle, I think, for the liver. It comes from vets. But it is the same thing as SAMe, which you can get at the health food store. It can probably be given with milk thistle. 2. Liver so compromised can be from lymphoma, like with Simon, or from cholangiohepatitis, which is treatable with antibiotics, or from hepatic lipidosis, which requires a feeding tube. A biopsy is necessary to tell. You probably already know this, and maybe already got the biopsy-- again, I didn't read the whole thread so don't know. Lymphoma would be the worst case scenario, but Simon's bilirubin came down to almost normal with steroids and chemo (he died two months later from anemia). Michelle
Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
I'm sorry George is positive for fiv, but he's got himself a good home which is the most important thing. I had a cat with liver problems who took milk thistle. She also took something else that I can't recall the name of. I'll try to find it for you. She has since passed, but it was not from the liver disease. tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite I felt like he trusted me somehow but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldnt do it because he was so wiggly anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that its going to be a plain short one I went ahead and gave them a permission I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery I was so nervous. My George did very well I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure. Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny all the blood work came back normal, except his liver his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem. As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal yeah!) anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know I would like to do everything I can do help him!! PS, he even lets me pet him I just love my little George!
