Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for progressive treatment?
We all struggle in trying to figure out what's best for our kitties. And every day, we have to make decisions that we hope are the right ones. All our kitties are different--some can handle more invasive treatments, but for other kitties, an injection, a transfusion, even a trip in a carrier to a vet would put so much stress on them that any treatment would likely be counterproductive. I do read about any new treatment possibilities. It was on this site that I first learned about immune regulin, and as it turned out, my own vet uses it with the FELV + cats he treats. For my Tucson, it seemed to do the trick on the 2 occasions that her white blood cell count went down dangerously low. Was it the immune regulin? I can't prove that but her count went right back up. That doesn't mean it would work for all other cats. And interferon, well I opted not to use. I'm sure it does help but for my Tucson and for the late great Romeo, the stress alone would have killed them. As for newer treatments, I do like some sort of basis for their purported success. I did talk to my vet about the newest and he did not recommend, at this time. But I'm not in the same situation as you--if I had 6 kitties who were dying before my eyes, I might have tried it. And there is nothing wrong w. putting down a kitty who is suffering. I have always regretted waiting a few days too long for my Romeo who it turned out had a huge lymphoma mass in his chest. But taking him to vet was incredibly stressful to him that I held off trying various things and talking to my vet. He was having trouble breathing and I should have taken him as soon as that started instead of waiting a few days Bottom line, each of our situations is so very different. I've learned a tremendous amount from this board and though I don't necessarily follow the regimens others do, I've learned enough about each option to make what I hope are informed decisions. That's what we're all here for. Conversations can sometimes get a bit rough but this is an awful disease that takes a lot out of each of us, emotionally and financially. We do the best we can and learn from each other. Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for progressive treatment? I was directed to this site because of the "Mission Statement" being one of progressive treatments. I don't understand the negativity towards people who opt to treat their cats with newer treatments. If you don't want to treat, that's fine-it's just really mean to knock the people who are treating and have hope still. I did just lose 4 kitty brothers in the past 6 months-I only tried to transfuse one...forgive me for wanting him to live. The last one (at just a year old) did not get that, but he screamed out while he panic-ed and couldn't breathe due to all the fluid in his chest-forgive us for having him euthanized to spare him a few hours of agony. The fluid came bubbling out his nostrils after his last breath. We probably should have gone to the movies until he passed. Why are you on a site constantly harping at and about people who are trying the products that are listed on this site as showing promise.I don't get it at all-I know you care about your pets, why can't you allow us to care for ours? What I do know is my 2 remaining cats have so much energy now-they beg to play with the laser pointer, Rosie brings her favorite mousie for us to throw so she can play fetch-are they suffering?? Quite the opposite, these 2 are having fun finally! I haven't had a cat in over 12-15 years, then rescued these 6 kittens last year-I didn't have a clue-never even knew anyone with FeLV cats. Please forgive me for wanting to learn and try and treat the disease. I did not expect this site to have all the nasty "cattiness" (ha-ha) of some of the other sites when I read the website's opening page-have you read it? Here is a portion of it cut and pasted from the site: Our mission in presenting the information on these web pages is intended to help those whose feline babies are not responding to traditional veterinary methods of treating feline leukemia. People should be forewarned that many vets are skeptical and will resist using these newer treatments. We urge folks that encounter such opposition to seek out another vet that is willing to administer these medications as recommended below. In July of 1997, the Central States Veterinary Conference held in Kansas City, Missouri held discussions on these newer methods and were optimistic about their use in treating FeLV+ cats. For more details on the protocols for these drugs, please review the book, The 5 minute Veterinary Consulta
Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for progressive treatment?
as this is clearly directed at me, i'll respond just a little bit. the mission statement does not refer, i expect, to things with little or no scientific backing. for the information of those who don't know, i am very much an adherent of alternative treatments--as a person with disabilities myself, i use them to keep myself going. there's a huge difference between a vet who refuses to acknowledge the known advances in their field, which includes the need to retest FeLVs, how the virus is and isn't transmitted, etc, and those who care enough to listen to their clients, look into a treatment or protocol, and decide that there isn't enough evidence to recommend it. i lived and worked at a special-needs sanctuary, and at least one hundred of our FeLVs died during my time there, so any implication that i don't care for FeLVs or want to save them is both inaccurate and insulting. what i don't care for, however, is companies that prey upon people's fears and desperation. i would LOVE to find out that LCTI really helps with FeLVs, but i don't know that it does, because there is just not enough evidence. it's been around for years now, so it's not a new product, just new to imulan. had imulan's business and marketing practices been different, i would be more comfortable with seeing people spending a great deal of money on an unproven treatment. essentially, i don't want folks to be given false hope. if you think that's mean, i'm sorry. yes, this is my opinion. my considered opinion, after speaking with many many professionals, and using my own education and experience. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for progressive treatment?
Alice, I understand that some of the recent posts could be construed as negative in tone for treating our FeLV+ babies. We each have our own approach and resources for dealing with the various stages of FeLV. I have limited financial resources. I do the best I can for my positives with OTC supplements. Others have the resources for some of the newer 'aids'. I read with interest the results they report hoping one day to have the funds to try them on my kitties. I consider FeLV to be a chronic condition and treat it as such just as I do with my CRF, CHF and HCM kitties. I started the year with 8 positives and now have 3 all just over 2 yrs old. Not a good yr but the 5 I lost were loved, cared for and lived a good life. I did syringe feed the sick ones and provided sub q fluids in addition to meds/supplements. We each do what we can. Don't let a few posts about not trying to help the sick ones lead you to believe that no one is trying or should be trying. Each post is just that persons opinion or personal experience. JMHO Sharyl --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Alice Flowers wrote: > From: Alice Flowers > Subject: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for > progressive treatment? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:14 PM > I was directed to this site because > of the "Mission Statement" being one of progressive > treatments. I don't understand the negativity towards people > who opt to treat their cats with newer treatments. If you > don't want to treat, that's fine-it's just really mean to > knock the people who are treating and have hope still. I did > just lose 4 kitty brothers in the past 6 months-I only > tried to transfuse one...forgive me for wanting him to live. > The last one (at just a year old) did not get that, but he > screamed out while he panic-ed and couldn't breathe due to > all the fluid in his chest-forgive us for having him > euthanized to spare him a few hours of agony. The fluid came > bubbling out his nostrils after his last breath. We probably > should have gone to the movies until he passed. Why are you > on a site constantly harping at and about people who are > trying the products that are listed on this site as showing > promise.I don't get it at all-I know you care > about your pets, why can't you allow us to care for ours? > What I do know is my 2 remaining cats have so much energy > now-they beg to play with the laser pointer, Rosie brings > her favorite mousie for us to throw so she can play > fetch-are they suffering?? Quite the opposite, these 2 are > having fun finally! I haven't had a cat in over 12-15 years, > then rescued these 6 kittens last year-I didn't have a > clue-never even knew anyone with FeLV cats. Please forgive > me for wanting to learn and try and treat the disease. I did > not expect this site to have all the nasty "cattiness" > (ha-ha) of some of the other sites when I read the website's > opening page-have you read it? Here is a portion of it cut > and pasted from the site: > > Our mission in presenting the information on these web > pages is intended to help those whose feline babies are not > responding to traditional veterinary methods of treating > feline leukemia. People should be forewarned that many vets > are skeptical and will resist using these newer treatments. > We urge folks that encounter such opposition to seek out > another vet that is willing to administer these medications > as recommended below. In July of 1997, the Central States > Veterinary Conference held in Kansas City, Missouri held > discussions on these newer methods and were optimistic about > their use in treating FeLV+ cats. For more details on the > protocols for these drugs, please review the book, The 5 > minute Veterinary Consultant: Canine and Feline by Tilley > and Smith 1997. > Although we are not veterinarians, much of the information > available here was written by veterinarians. Our sole > purpose in presenting these pages is to educate people on > newer, more effective treatments for feline leukemia. Ours > is a not-for-profit endeavor, even though we may mention > companies by name that sell some of these products. > Veterinarians and researchers are encouraged to send > comments and contributions for this site to me: James G. > Wilson > > NOTICE: All materials at this website (including HTML > pages, text pages, and images) are the property of the owner > of this website. This includes external links to some > Geocities sites, Fortunecity sites, and Prohosting sites. > Under no circumstances are these pages to be copied, > altered, or otherwise misrepresented. All other external > links (including image links) are the property of those > website owners. > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _
