Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for progressive treatment?

2009-10-03 Thread MaryChristine
as this is clearly directed at me, i'll respond just a little bit.

the mission statement does not refer, i expect, to things with little or no
scientific backing. for the information of those who don't know, i am very
much an adherent of alternative treatments--as a person with disabilities
myself, i use them to keep myself going. there's a huge difference between a
vet who refuses to acknowledge the known advances in their field, which
includes the need to retest FeLVs, how the virus is and isn't transmitted,
etc, and those who care enough to listen to their clients, look into a
treatment or protocol, and decide that there isn't enough evidence to
recommend it.

i lived and worked at a special-needs sanctuary, and at least one hundred of
our FeLVs died during my time there, so any implication that i don't care
for FeLVs or want to save them is both inaccurate and insulting.

what i don't care for, however, is companies that prey upon people's fears
and desperation.

i would LOVE to find out that LCTI really helps with FeLVs, but i don't know
that it does, because there is just not enough evidence. it's been around
for years now, so it's not a new product, just new to imulan. had imulan's
business and marketing practices been different, i would be more comfortable
with seeing people spending a great deal of money on an unproven treatment.
essentially, i don't want folks to be given false hope.

if you think that's mean, i'm sorry.

yes, this is my opinion. my considered opinion, after speaking with many
many professionals, and using my own education and experience.

MC

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MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for progressive treatment?

2009-10-03 Thread Chris
We all struggle in trying to figure out what's best for our kitties.  And
every day, we have to make decisions that we hope are the right ones.  All
our kitties are different--some can handle more invasive treatments, but for
other kitties, an injection, a transfusion, even a trip in a carrier to a
vet would put so much stress on them that any treatment would likely be
counterproductive.

I do read about any new treatment possibilities.  It was on this site that I
first learned about immune regulin, and as it turned out, my own vet uses it
with the FELV + cats he treats.  For my Tucson, it seemed to do the trick on
the 2 occasions that her white blood cell count went down dangerously low.
Was it the immune regulin?  I can't prove that but her count went right back
up.  That doesn't mean it would work for all other cats.  And interferon,
well I opted not to use.  I'm sure it does help but for my Tucson and for
the late great Romeo, the stress alone would have killed them.  

As for newer treatments, I do like some sort of basis for their purported
success.  I did talk to my vet about the newest and he did not recommend, at
this time.  But I'm not in the same situation as you--if I had 6 kitties who
were dying before my eyes, I might have tried it.  

And there is nothing wrong w. putting down a kitty who is suffering.  I have
always regretted waiting a few days too long for my Romeo who it turned out
had a huge lymphoma mass in his chest.  But taking him to vet was incredibly
stressful to him that I held off trying various things and talking to my
vet.  He was having trouble breathing and I should have taken him as soon as
that started instead of waiting a few days

Bottom line, each of our situations is so very different.  I've learned a
tremendous amount from this board and though I don't necessarily follow the
regimens others do, I've learned enough about each option to make what I
hope are informed decisions.  That's what we're all here for.  Conversations
can sometimes get a bit rough but this is an awful disease that takes a lot
out of each of us, emotionally and financially.  We do the best we can and
learn from each other.


Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
ti...@mindspring.com 
Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for
progressive treatment?

I was directed to this site because of the Mission Statement being one of
progressive treatments. I don't understand the negativity towards people who
opt to treat their cats with newer treatments. If you don't want to treat,
that's fine-it's just really mean to knock the people who are treating and
have hope still. I did just lose 4 kitty brothers in the past 6 months-I
only tried to transfuse one...forgive me for wanting him to live. The last
one (at just a year old)  did not get that, but he screamed out while he
panic-ed and couldn't breathe due to all the fluid in his chest-forgive us
for having him euthanized to spare him a few hours of agony. The fluid came
bubbling out his nostrils after his last breath. We probably should have
gone to the movies until he passed. Why are you on a site constantly harping
at and about people who are trying the products that are listed on this site
as showing promise.I don't get it at all-I know you care
 about your pets, why can't you allow us to care for ours? What I do know is
my 2 remaining cats have so much energy now-they beg to play with the laser
pointer, Rosie brings her favorite mousie for us to throw so she can play
fetch-are they suffering?? Quite the opposite, these 2 are having fun
finally! I haven't had a cat in over 12-15 years, then rescued these 6
kittens last year-I didn't have a clue-never even knew anyone with FeLV
cats.  Please forgive me for wanting to learn and try and treat the disease.
I did not expect this site to have all the nasty cattiness (ha-ha) of some
of the other sites when I read the website's opening page-have you read it?
Here is a portion of it cut and pasted from the site:
 
Our mission in presenting the information on these web pages is intended to
help those whose feline babies are not responding to traditional veterinary
methods of treating feline leukemia. People should be forewarned that many
vets are skeptical and will resist using these newer treatments. We urge
folks that encounter such opposition to seek out another vet that is willing
to administer these medications as recommended below. In July of 1997, the
Central States Veterinary Conference held in Kansas City, Missouri held
discussions on these newer methods and were optimistic about their use in
treating FeLV+ cats. For more details on the protocols for these drugs,
please review the book, The 5 minute Veterinary Consultant: 

Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for progressive treatment?

2009-10-02 Thread Sharyl
Alice, I understand that some of the recent posts could be construed as 
negative in tone for treating our FeLV+ babies.  We each have our own approach 
and resources for dealing with the various stages of FeLV.  I have limited 
financial resources.  

I do the best I can for my positives with OTC supplements.  Others have the 
resources for some of the newer 'aids'.  I read with interest the results they 
report hoping one day to have the funds to try them on my kitties.  

I consider FeLV to be a chronic condition and treat it as such just as I do 
with my CRF, CHF and HCM kitties.  I started the year with 8 positives and now 
have 3 all just over 2 yrs old.  Not a good yr but the 5 I lost were loved, 
cared for and lived a good life.  I did syringe feed the sick ones and provided 
sub q fluids in addition to meds/supplements.  

We each do what we can.  Don't let a few posts about not trying to help the 
sick ones lead you to believe that no one is trying or should be trying.

Each post is just that persons opinion or personal experience.
JMHO
Sharyl 

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for 
 progressive treatment?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:14 PM
 I was directed to this site because
 of the Mission Statement being one of progressive
 treatments. I don't understand the negativity towards people
 who opt to treat their cats with newer treatments. If you
 don't want to treat, that's fine-it's just really mean to
 knock the people who are treating and have hope still. I did
 just lose 4 kitty brothers in the past 6 months-I only
 tried to transfuse one...forgive me for wanting him to live.
 The last one (at just a year old)  did not get that, but he
 screamed out while he panic-ed and couldn't breathe due to
 all the fluid in his chest-forgive us for having him
 euthanized to spare him a few hours of agony. The fluid came
 bubbling out his nostrils after his last breath. We probably
 should have gone to the movies until he passed. Why are you
 on a site constantly harping at and about people who are
 trying the products that are listed on this site as showing
 promise.I don't get it at all-I know you care
  about your pets, why can't you allow us to care for ours?
 What I do know is my 2 remaining cats have so much energy
 now-they beg to play with the laser pointer, Rosie brings
 her favorite mousie for us to throw so she can play
 fetch-are they suffering?? Quite the opposite, these 2 are
 having fun finally! I haven't had a cat in over 12-15 years,
 then rescued these 6 kittens last year-I didn't have a
 clue-never even knew anyone with FeLV cats.  Please forgive
 me for wanting to learn and try and treat the disease. I did
 not expect this site to have all the nasty cattiness
 (ha-ha) of some of the other sites when I read the website's
 opening page-have you read it? Here is a portion of it cut
 and pasted from the site:
  
 Our mission in presenting the information on these web
 pages is intended to help those whose feline babies are not
 responding to traditional veterinary methods of treating
 feline leukemia. People should be forewarned that many vets
 are skeptical and will resist using these newer treatments.
 We urge folks that encounter such opposition to seek out
 another vet that is willing to administer these medications
 as recommended below. In July of 1997, the Central States
 Veterinary Conference held in Kansas City, Missouri held
 discussions on these newer methods and were optimistic about
 their use in treating FeLV+ cats. For more details on the
 protocols for these drugs, please review the book, The 5
 minute Veterinary Consultant: Canine and Feline by Tilley
 and Smith 1997. 
 Although we are not veterinarians, much of the information
 available here was written by veterinarians. Our sole
 purpose in presenting these pages is to educate people on
 newer, more effective treatments for feline leukemia. Ours
 is a not-for-profit endeavor, even though we may mention
 companies by name that sell some of these products.
 Veterinarians and researchers are encouraged to send
 comments and contributions for this site to me: James G.
 Wilson 
 
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