Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
Thank you Lance. Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with FeLV and what is not. I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets." Can I safely use both? Nancy & Kit -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea Hi Nancy, I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. Best to you and Kit, Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work perfect. About 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the litterbox all the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know FeLV cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all suggest? I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. Thank you! Nancy & Kit ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
Hi Nancy, I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. Best to you and Kit, Lance > On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: > > Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work > perfect. About > 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the > litterbox all > the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know > FeLV > cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all > suggest? > I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive > Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? > > Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. > > Thank you! > > Nancy & Kit > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to your vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is just fiber that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may not like it, but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot. Lance > On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: > > Thank you Lance. Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with > FeLV and what is not. > I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have > Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets." > Can I safely use both? > > Nancy & Kit > > > -Original Message- > From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> > To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea > > Hi Nancy, > > I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had > diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most > people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. > > Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a > year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that > would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with > the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember > (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. > > Best to you and Kit, > > Lance > > On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work > perfect. About > 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the > litterbox all > the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know > FeLV > cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all > suggest? > I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive > Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? > > Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. > > Thank you! > > Nancy & Kit > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
That makes sense. I had a good working relationship with Ember’s vet, and I almost always deferred to her on any changes I made. It’s a good thing to have everyone on the same page. Keep us posted! Lance > On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:44 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: > > Lance, I just spoke to Kit's vet and she would like to just start off with > the probiotics first. > Just add one thing in to see Kit's reaction. So we will begin with that. > > I had one cat who loved pumpkin and licked it off the spoon. She never had a > BM problem! :-) > > Thx again! > Nancy > > > -Original Message- > From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> > To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 11:34 am > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea > > Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to > your vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is > just fiber that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may > not like it, but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot. > > Lance > > On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote: > > Thank you Lance. Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with > FeLV and what is not. > I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have > Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets." > Can I safely use both? > > Nancy & Kit > > > -Original Message- > From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm <mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm>> > To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea > > Hi Nancy, > > I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had > diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most > people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. > > Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a > year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that > would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with > the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember > (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. > > Best to you and Kit, > > Lance > > On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work > perfect. About > 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the > litterbox all > the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know > FeLV > cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all > suggest? > I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive > Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? > > Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. > > Thank you! > > Nancy & Kit > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
Lance, I just spoke to Kit's vet and she would like to just start off with the probiotics first. Just add one thing in to see Kit's reaction. So we will begin with that. I had one cat who loved pumpkin and licked it off the spoon. She never had a BM problem! :-) Thx again! Nancy -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 11:34 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to your vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is just fiber that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may not like it, but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot. Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Lance. Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with FeLV and what is not. I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets." Can I safely use both? Nancy & Kit -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea Hi Nancy, I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. Best to you and Kit, Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work perfect. About 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the litterbox all the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know FeLV cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all suggest? I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. Thank you! Nancy & Kit ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
I will Lance. Thank you! Nancy -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea That makes sense. I had a good working relationship with Ember’s vet, and I almost always deferred to her on any changes I made. It’s a good thing to have everyone on the same page. Keep us posted! Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:44 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Lance, I just spoke to Kit's vet and she would like to just start off with the probiotics first. Just add one thing in to see Kit's reaction. So we will begin with that. I had one cat who loved pumpkin and licked it off the spoon. She never had a BM problem! :-) Thx again! Nancy -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 11:34 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to your vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is just fiber that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may not like it, but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot. Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Lance. Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with FeLV and what is not. I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets." Can I safely use both? Nancy & Kit -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea Hi Nancy, I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. Best to you and Kit, Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work perfect. About 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the litterbox all the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know FeLV cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all suggest? I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. Thank you! Nancy & Kit ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] KIT WIZNER
Great news! gidge...@aol.com wrote: > Just wanted to share once again that Kit's blood work all came back normal > again. I am thrilled! Still in remission. Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] KIT
Glad to hear that Kit is eating and playing in addition to an improved HCT. I don’t have any thoughts on the changes to her neutrophil count. Aside from interferon alpha (given in hopes of treating FeLV), I gave Ember Liquid DMG or DMG treats. There’s no way to know if the DMG helped her, but she had a good life for an FeLV+ girl (12 years and 1 month). I used Vetri Science products, though I know that there are other brands. I think it’s best to consult the vet before starting anything new, but DMG always seemed to be “mild” to me, and both of Ember’s vets approved. Best hopes for Kit. Lance > On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:38 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: > > Hello everyone, update on Kit. Good news and not the best news. Good is > 24% HCT (was 20, then 22%), she continues to be happy, eating well and > playing like crazy. Not so good news is her neutrophils went from 2500 to > 250 (was 300, then 2500). She then mentioned that she aspirated the enlarged > nodes on her neck and the lymphoblasts went from 2% to 11%. Does this mean > it is in the bone marrow? I don't understand lymphoblasts. The vet ordered > another round of clavamox, orbax, I now have pet tinic and something the vet > recommended called Immuno Support by Rx Vitamins. Just ordered it. Is there > anything else I can be doing to help her? She also is getting a bit of B12 > in her food once a day.Oh and I also ordered a probiotic, because you should > really give this while they are on an AB. Please adv if I should be doing > anything else and if so, what? Thank you, > Nancy___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit
Yes you have helped a ton! Thank you. I think question # 4 is should she be tested for hemobart even though she is not infested? I did put the Advantage II on a couple days ago. Oh and one more question- she has an appt on the 14th to be spayed. Should I cancell this? Also will ask vet on Saturday. Her lymph nodes are swollen. Thank you! Nancy Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > > Hi Nancy > > I will answer the questions I can. > > 1. You can use Epogen or Darbeopoetin to increase red cell production > but I have no direct experience with either. However, first, I think that the > Winstrol acts on the precursor cells in the bone marrow that produce red > cells, white cells and platelets, and that is why all these cell lines > respond to the Winstrol – not just red cell production. Secondly, if the FeLV > has had its effect on the bone marrow, making it hypocellular. It is > theorized that the virus blocks the stem cells in the bone marrow and they > therefore cannot differentiate into the various cell components of blood > (white cells, red cells, platelets). If that has happened, then no amount of > erythropoietin-type derivatives will help since erythropoietin is produced in > the renal adrenal glands and the erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to > produce red cells but the bone marrow cannot because it has been left > depleted of the precursor cells that make the red cells. The problem with > erythropoietin mimics is also that the body stops producing its own > erythropoietin if it detects enough circulating in the system, so you may end > up causing a worse situation by actually depressing natural erythropoietin > production. You don’t get any of those problems with the WInstrol. > 2. No – Winstrol doesn’t cause the body to respond by producing > antibodies against the medication. > 3. Yes – the 1 mg tablets, 2 times a day, are for cats of all weights. > If it is a very small kitten, you could try 0.5 mg 2 times a day though I > never found it necessary to use such a low dose. If the cat is in really bad > shape and you need to “jump start” the process quickly (eg – severe anemia, > significantly reduced appetite, difficulty breathing because of the anemia), > I would start with 2 mg 2 times a day until you start getting a response, > either with improved appetite or lab results show an increase in red cell or > other cell line counts. > 4. I am not sure if there is a question here. > 5. I don’t think Winstrol causes itching – not in my experience in any > event. > 6. Definitely, if she has worms, they are a drain on her system and > certain worms drop red cell counts but I don’t think round worms do that (but > I haven’t checked into that recently). > 7. A slight temperature is okay for a while but it is the rest of the > stuff that comes with the temperature, like loss of appetite and lethargy, > which you have to watch for. > > I hope some of this helps. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > gidge...@aol.com > Sent: November-30-15 7:18 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit > > Lance, a friend told me about this test. Hardy RL. She told me to have the > vet take it as it will tell what stage she is in. Takes about 10 days to get > results. Maybe it goes by another name? Ironically, the vet took it on her > own. I never had to ask for it. I have messaged my friend to find out more. > > Also, Lance, I wanted to let you know that I am the founder and Admin of > FELINE CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE (all caps) on Facebook. I have almost 1, 670 > members. I can certainly help out here with those whose cats have this > problem too. > > I have many questions. Hope you don't mind, as I am in learning stages. So > here I go: > > 1) I see Winstrol listed as the primary treatment for anemia. Can you also > use Epogen or Darbeopoetin? > > 2) Can one develop antibodies with Winstrol? I have heard of this med, > but don't know much about it > > 3) Also, I see you recommend 1 mg tablets. Is this for cats of all weights? > > 4) Kit has fleas. I put Advantage II for kittens on her yesterday.She seems > to be itching a bit more. Unless it's my paranoid self. I have heard alot > about the Hemobart test, but I don't think she is infested. Will have a good > look though. > > 5) Could FeLV cause itching? > > 6) She also has round worms, which I gave her a dewormer 2 days ago. Could > this bring blood work down? > > 7) Her temp is holding around 101.2 ~ 102.2.
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit
Lance, a friend told me about this test. Hardy RL. She told me to have the vet take it as it will tell what stage she is in. Takes about 10 days to get results. Maybe it goes by another name? Ironically, the vet took it on her own. I never had to ask for it. I have messaged my friend to find out more. Also, Lance, I wanted to let you know that I am the founder and Admin of FELINE CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE (all caps) on Facebook. I have almost 1, 670 members. I can certainly help out here with those whose cats have this problem too. I have many questions. Hope you don't mind, as I am in learning stages. So here I go: 1) I see Winstrol listed as the primary treatment for anemia. Can you also use Epogen or Darbeopoetin? 2) Can one develop antibodies with Winstrol? I have heard of this med, but don't know much about it 3) Also, I see you recommend 1 mg tablets. Is this for cats of all weights? 4) Kit has fleas. I put Advantage II for kittens on her yesterday.She seems to be itching a bit more. Unless it's my paranoid self. I have heard alot about the Hemobart test, but I don't think she is infested. Will have a good look though. 5) Could FeLV cause itching? 6) She also has round worms, which I gave her a dewormer 2 days ago. Could this bring blood work down? 7) Her temp is holding around 101.2 ~ 102.2. This is ok? She is no longer on Onsior. I am doing alot of reading now and hope you don't mind all the questions, as I'm sure I will have more Thx, Lance. Nancy -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 6:43 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit Hi Nancy, I’m not sure about the nodes. I guess it depends on what is causing the swelling. I’ve never heard of the Hardy RL test and a brief google didn’t yield results related to FeLV. What kind of test is it? Lance On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:32 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Kit's fever is gone. No longer on Onsior. Still taking Clavamox, Orabax, and getting fluids. Last blood work was improved. WBCs from 4.34 to 5.25 HCT from 20% to 22% PLT from 3000 to 24000 Neutrophils from 651 to 2500 Her nodes are still swollen. Will they ever come down? We still have at least a week and a half of ABs, but was just wondering. She is still playing, and eating very well. Waiting for the Hardy RL test. Does that determine what stage? Thank you! Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit
Hi Nancy, I’m not sure about the nodes. I guess it depends on what is causing the swelling. I’ve never heard of the Hardy RL test and a brief google didn’t yield results related to FeLV. What kind of test is it? Lance > On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:32 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: > > Kit's fever is gone. No longer on Onsior. Still taking Clavamox, Orabax, > and getting fluids. Last blood work was improved. > WBCs from 4.34 to 5.25 > HCT from 20% to 22% > PLT from 3000 to 24000 > Neutrophils from 651 to 2500 > > Her nodes are still swollen. Will they ever come down? We still have at > least a week and a half of ABs, but was just > wondering. She is still playing, and eating very well. > > Waiting for the Hardy RL test. Does that determine what stage? > > Thank you! > > Nancy > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit
I’m pretty sure that everyone on FeLV-Talk knows more about Winstrol than I do. I hope someone else will take a look at those questions. > On Nov 30, 2015, at 6:18 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: > > 5) Could FeLV cause itching? My own experience says “maybe”. Since it affects the immune system, it might mean that FeLV+ cats are more prone to immune reactions. My Ember had allergies (usually manifesting as lots of sneezing) at different points in the year for the last six or so years of her life. > 6) She also has round worms, which I gave her a dewormer 2 days ago. Could > this bring blood work down? Not sure. I wouldn’t think it would cause any profound effects, but we take things like that for granted in FeLV- cats feeling that they can bounce back from temporary changes. I always fretted over Ember’s WBC. > > 7) Her temp is holding around 101.2 ~ 102.2. This is ok? She is no longer > on Onsior. Normal temp for cats is from 100.5 to 102.5 degrees, so that sounds good! > I am doing alot of reading now and hope you don't mind all the questions, as > I'm sure I will have more > Keep the questions coming! This group is filled with knowledgeable people. I’ve learned so much from being a member. Lance___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit
Hi Nancy I will answer the questions I can. 1. You can use Epogen or Darbeopoetin to increase red cell production but I have no direct experience with either. However, first, I think that the Winstrol acts on the precursor cells in the bone marrow that produce red cells, white cells and platelets, and that is why all these cell lines respond to the Winstrol – not just red cell production. Secondly, if the FeLV has had its effect on the bone marrow, making it hypocellular. It is theorized that the virus blocks the stem cells in the bone marrow and they therefore cannot differentiate into the various cell components of blood (white cells, red cells, platelets). If that has happened, then no amount of erythropoietin-type derivatives will help since erythropoietin is produced in the renal adrenal glands and the erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce red cells but the bone marrow cannot because it has been left depleted of the precursor cells that make the red cells. The problem with erythropoietin mimics is also that the body stops producing its own erythropoietin if it detects enough circulating in the system, so you may end up causing a worse situation by actually depressing natural erythropoietin production. You don’t get any of those problems with the WInstrol. 2. No – Winstrol doesn’t cause the body to respond by producing antibodies against the medication. 3. Yes – the 1 mg tablets, 2 times a day, are for cats of all weights. If it is a very small kitten, you could try 0.5 mg 2 times a day though I never found it necessary to use such a low dose. If the cat is in really bad shape and you need to “jump start” the process quickly (eg – severe anemia, significantly reduced appetite, difficulty breathing because of the anemia), I would start with 2 mg 2 times a day until you start getting a response, either with improved appetite or lab results show an increase in red cell or other cell line counts. 4. I am not sure if there is a question here. 5. I don’t think Winstrol causes itching – not in my experience in any event. 6. Definitely, if she has worms, they are a drain on her system and certain worms drop red cell counts but I don’t think round worms do that (but I haven’t checked into that recently). 7. A slight temperature is okay for a while but it is the rest of the stuff that comes with the temperature, like loss of appetite and lethargy, which you have to watch for. I hope some of this helps. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gidge...@aol.com Sent: November-30-15 7:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit Lance, a friend told me about this test. Hardy RL. She told me to have the vet take it as it will tell what stage she is in. Takes about 10 days to get results. Maybe it goes by another name? Ironically, the vet took it on her own. I never had to ask for it. I have messaged my friend to find out more. Also, Lance, I wanted to let you know that I am the founder and Admin of FELINE CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE (all caps) on Facebook. I have almost 1, 670 members. I can certainly help out here with those whose cats have this problem too. I have many questions. Hope you don't mind, as I am in learning stages. So here I go: 1) I see Winstrol listed as the primary treatment for anemia. Can you also use Epogen or Darbeopoetin? 2) Can one develop antibodies with Winstrol? I have heard of this med, but don't know much about it 3) Also, I see you recommend 1 mg tablets. Is this for cats of all weights? 4) Kit has fleas. I put Advantage II for kittens on her yesterday.She seems to be itching a bit more. Unless it's my paranoid self. I have heard alot about the Hemobart test, but I don't think she is infested. Will have a good look though. 5) Could FeLV cause itching? 6) She also has round worms, which I gave her a dewormer 2 days ago. Could this bring blood work down? 7) Her temp is holding around 101.2 ~ 102.2. This is ok? She is no longer on Onsior. I am doing alot of reading now and hope you don't mind all the questions, as I'm sure I will have more Thx, Lance. Nancy -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm<mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm>> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 6:43 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit Hi Nancy, I’m not sure about the nodes. I guess it depends on what is causing the swelling. I’ve never heard of the Hardy RL test and a brief google didn’t yield results related to FeLV. What kind of test is it? Lance On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:32 PM, gidge...@aol.com<mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote: Kit's fever is gone. No longer on Onsior. Still taking Clavamox, Orabax, and getting fluids. Last blood work was improved. WBCs from 4.34 to 5.25 HCT from 20% to 22% PLT from
