Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[trustinhim13]

Praying for your babies health.

On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

 Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, 
where he is killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did 
not keep him on a high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed 
again. Now he is really bad. I don't know what his chances are at this 
point, but I do not think they are good, though the vets say he can turn 
around. He just got a transfusion and they are starting him on 
cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And doxycycline.


Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as 
many issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for 
feline interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is 
good for is prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he 
responds well to the transfusion and the cyclosporine.


thank you,
Michelle

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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[dlgegg]

i AM A LITTLE LATE, BUT ADD MY PRAYERS FOR BEAR.

 lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: 
> 
> Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
> killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
> high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
> bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
> are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
> and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
> doxycycline.
> 
> Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
> issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
> interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
> prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
> the transfusion and the cyclosporine. 
> 
> thank you,
> Michelle


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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Kerry MacKenzie]

Hi Michelle
Sending healing thoughts for your little Bear and praying that the transfusions 
work. Lots of love and hugs to you both.
Kerry




On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 7:51 AM, "lernermiche...@aol.com" 
 wrote:
 
Thanks to everyone for prayers.
 
He needed 2 transfusions last night to raise his PCV enough-- the first one 
raised it only from 10 to 12 and he was still breathing labored, and the second 
raised it to 19. I am waiting to hear from the vet now regarding his pcv from 
this morning, 4 hours after the second transfusion, to learn how fast he is 
killing it off.
 
Margo, his kidneys are not very compromised (they are a little from lack of 
oxygen from the severe anemia yesterday) so I don't think the erytropoetin is 
the problem. The main problem is he is killing the red blood cells off and 
doing it so quickly that it's impossible to tell at this point if he is able to 
regenerate new ones-- it looks like not but that happens if they kill them off 
at the bone marrow level, as they never make it out into the blood stream to 
show up on a test, so we need to stop the hemolysis to have any hope of 
figuring that out and helping him regenerate. It can apparently take up to 7 
days to be able to tell. The crisis is in the killing off, and if we do not 
stop that nothing will help him.

I am thinking that we added fuel to the fire and made this worse, me and my 
spouse, as we gave him an LTCI shot on Sunday in the hope it would help him 
regenerate red blood cells as it's supposed to help with severe red cell 
anemia. But LTCI works by stimulating the very thing that the 
immunosuppressives are now trying to stop, so I think we really screwed up by 
giving him that and probably accelerated the hemolysis. Kicking myself for that 
so much. I had asked the vet about giving it to him and she said she wouldn't 
just in case it had caused the original hemolysis, but she added that she 
really did not think it did and was being cautious, so when the anemia did not 
seem to be resolving and it looked like he wasn't regenerating my husband and I 
figured it was unlikely to hurt and gave it to him. But I think the problem is 
not causing the hemolysis initially, but that it may have accelerated it by 
stimulating the bone marrow that was already
 overstimulated in the wrong way. Ugh, a million times ugh.
 
Anyway, waiting with baited breath to see if the treatments are working. If 
they do, he has a lot of other issues to deal with, so I think his long-term 
chances are very slim. But we just couldn't not treat, especially if this was 
caused by some kind of medication (they think it may have been his thyroid 
meds) and has a chance of being reversed. 
 
So my Christmas present this morning was a PCV of 19. Hopefully it was not just 
for Christmas morning and has not disappeared already. 
 
Thank you all for your prayers at this busy time of year,
 
Michelle
-Original Message-
From: Margo 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2013 6:21 am
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear


 
Michelle, I'm so sorry.
>  I will be thinking of Bear with all the good energies I can 
>muster.
>  Has erythropoietin (Epogen) been considered? It isn't always 
>appropriate, but can sometimes be a stop-gap until the actual treatment works. 
>  Crossing fingers, toes paws and whiskers for a positive 
>turn=around.
>All the best, Margo
> 
>-Original Message- 
>From: lernermiche...@aol.com 
>Sent: Dec 24, 2013 7:15 PM 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear 
>
>
>Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
>killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
>high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
>bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
>are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
>and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
>doxycycline.
>
>Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
>issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
>interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
>prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
>the transfusion and the cyclosporine. 
>
>thank you,
>Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[lernermichelle]

Thanks to everyone for prayers.

He needed 2 transfusions last night to raise his PCV enough-- the first one 
raised it only from 10 to 12 and he was still breathing labored, and the second 
raised it to 19. I am waiting to hear from the vet now regarding his pcv from 
this morning, 4 hours after the second transfusion, to learn how fast he is 
killing it off.

Margo, his kidneys are not very compromised (they are a little from lack of 
oxygen from the severe anemia yesterday) so I don't think the erytropoetin is 
the problem. The main problem is he is killing the red blood cells off and 
doing it so quickly that it's impossible to tell at this point if he is able to 
regenerate new ones-- it looks like not but that happens if they kill them off 
at the bone marrow level, as they never make it out into the blood stream to 
show up on a test, so we need to stop the hemolysis to have any hope of 
figuring that out and helping him regenerate. It can apparently take up to 7 
days to be able to tell. The crisis is in the killing off, and if we do not 
stop that nothing will help him.

I am thinking that we added fuel to the fire and made this worse, me and my 
spouse, as we gave him an LTCI shot on Sunday in the hope it would help him 
regenerate red blood cells as it's supposed to help with severe red cell 
anemia. But LTCI works by stimulating the very thing that the 
immunosuppressives are now trying to stop, so I think we really screwed up by 
giving him that and probably accelerated the hemolysis. Kicking myself for that 
so much. I had asked the vet about giving it to him and she said she wouldn't 
just in case it had caused the original hemolysis, but she added that she 
really did not think it did and was being cautious, so when the anemia did not 
seem to be resolving and it looked like he wasn't regenerating my husband and I 
figured it was unlikely to hurt and gave it to him. But I think the problem is 
not causing the hemolysis initially, but that it may have accelerated it by 
stimulating the bone marrow that was already overstimulated in the wrong way. 
Ugh, a million times ugh.

Anyway, waiting with baited breath to see if the treatments are working. If 
they do, he has a lot of other issues to deal with, so I think his long-term 
chances are very slim. But we just couldn't not treat, especially if this was 
caused by some kind of medication (they think it may have been his thyroid 
meds) and has a chance of being reversed. 

So my Christmas present this morning was a PCV of 19. Hopefully it was not just 
for Christmas morning and has not disappeared already. 

Thank you all for your prayers at this busy time of year,

Michelle


-Original Message-
From: Margo 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2013 6:21 am
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear



Michelle, I'm so sorry.
  I will be thinking of Bear with all the good energies I can 
muster.
  Has erythropoietin (Epogen) been considered? It isn't always 
appropriate, but can sometimes be a stop-gap until the actual treatment works. 
  Crossing fingers, toes paws and whiskers for a positive 
turn=around.
All the best, Margo
 
-Original Message- 
From: lernermiche...@aol.com 
Sent: Dec 24, 2013 7:15 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear 


Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion and 
they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
doxycycline.

Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to the 
transfusion and the cyclosporine. 

thank you,
Michelle



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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Shelley Theye]

Michelle, 
I am sending prayers and positive healing thoughts to Bear, hope he starts to 
feel better soon.
Sounds like you are a wonderful mom.
Shelley

On Dec 24, 2013, at 7:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

> Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
> killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
> high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
> bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
> are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
> and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
> doxycycline.
>  
> Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
> issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
> interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
> prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
> the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
>  
> thank you,
> Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Margo]

Michelle, I'm so sorry.
  I will be thinking of Bear with all the good energies I can muster.
  Has erythropoietin (Epogen) been considered? It isn't always appropriate, but can sometimes be a stop-gap until the actual treatment works. 
  Crossing fingers, toes paws and whiskers for a positive turn=around.
All the best, Margo
 
-Original Message- From: lernermiche...@aol.com Sent: Dec 24, 2013 7:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And doxycycline.Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to the transfusion and the cyclosporine. thank you,Michelle

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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Gloria B. Lane]

Thinking of you Michelle, and sending healing thoughts and prayers for Bear!

Gloria


On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

> Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
> killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
> high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
> bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
> are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
> and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
> doxycycline.
>  
> Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
> issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
> interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
> prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
> the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
>  
> thank you,
> Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[lernermichelle]

Thanks, Kelly. I am disheartened to learn of your loss. Did thy try 
cyclosporine with your cat?

Michelle


-Original Message-
From: Kelley 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2013 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear



So sorry. I lost one to AIHA.  It is apparently quite serious even without 
the vet messing up. Will send white light.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:



Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion and 
they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
doxycycline.
 
Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to the 
transfusion and the cyclosporine. 
 
thank you,
Michelle


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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Jennifer Lewis]

Bear,

You're in my Christmas prayers.

Jen
On Dec 24, 2013, at 4:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

> Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
> killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
> high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
> bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
> are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
> and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
> doxycycline.
>  
> Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
> issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
> interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
> prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
> the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
>  
> thank you,
> Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Lance]

Praying for Bear. Hoping that Christmas Day finds him feeling better.

Lance

On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

> Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
> killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
> high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
> bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
> are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
> and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
> doxycycline.
>  
> Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
> issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
> interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
> prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
> the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
>  
> thank you,
> Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Lee Evans]

You are doing everything possible. I am visualizing a healthy little Bear for 
Christmas and for the year. Much love to you. I know how you feel. My sweet 
Bunny girl passed on my birthday of this year. Somehow it's more difficult if 
it's on a special day or time of year. But she had FeLv. She turned negative 
for a whole year, then suddenly turned positive. On the other paw, all my FIV+ 
cats seem to live normal, long lives so there's hope for Bear if he can get 
through this crisis. A transfusion is very good. It will give his body a chance 
to turn things around without too much stress on his organs.





On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:15 PM, "lernermiche...@aol.com" 
 wrote:
 
Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion and 
they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
doxycycline.
> 
>Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
>issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
>interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
>prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
>the transfusion and the cyclosporine. 
> 
>thank you,
>Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Avaykn]

You are in my prayers ! 

Sent from my iPhone.

> On Dec 24, 2013, at 20:39, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Bear,
> 
> You're in my Christmas prayers.
> 
> Jen
>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 4:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he 
>> is killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him 
>> on a high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is 
>> really bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not 
>> think they are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a 
>> transfusion and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune 
>> suppressant. And doxycycline.
>>  
>> Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
>> issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
>> interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for 
>> is prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well 
>> to the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
>>  
>> thank you,
>> Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Kelley]

So sorry. I lost one to AIHA.  It is apparently quite serious even without 
the vet messing up. Will send white light.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
> killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
> high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
> bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
> are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
> and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
> doxycycline.
>  
> Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
> issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
> interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
> prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
> the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
>  
> thank you,
> Michelle
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