Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten (Questions for Caroline)

2007-12-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
Please do not assume IBD.  That's basically a default diagnosis when nothing 
else makes sense.
   
  1.  How long was he on metronidazole and at what dosage?
  2.  Has your vet considered tritrichomonas foetus and treatment with 
ronidazole?  (Tritrich is really pretty common.  Until recently however it was 
often mistaken as metronidazole-resistant giardia.  So don't rule it out as 
some rare bug.)
   
  Parasites are very likely.  Fecal tests have been estimated at around 50% 
accurate.  Sometimes you have to treat the symptoms even when the cause is not 
certain.

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma  }Just a suggestion, have you ever tried a raw 
diet?  I feed raw, and one thing I've read many times, is that cats with 
chronic IBD often develop normal poo when fully switched to raw.
- Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:36 PM
  Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
  

Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and rummage 
in my pillow!  So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed!  It's so 
gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to protect my 
actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm 
tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed!  He really 
trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than sleep in that 
bed!  And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
caroline



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  Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

  Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions.  Very rare 
though.  Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
   
  And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going 
to have to discuss some grooming issues.  Transmission is a fecal to oral 
route.  So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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to give him anything that he didn't need.  But I do have access to Albon.  
 
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining 
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was 
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they 
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures 
and that scared her to death.  This is another one of those this is just what 
I heard.  But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he 
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had 
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do 
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia.  Anyone 
know about this?  
Caroline 



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  Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten

You know - has he been treated for coccidia?  A lot of times my vet will treat 
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to 
detect.  Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug 
that does it... 

  On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea 
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day).  Some of you may 
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it 
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since 
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out).  The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- 
nothing.  We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no 
difference really.  And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I 
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to 
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I 
stopped using it.  I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night 
lately- again, no difference.  Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so 
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time 
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.  I'm tired of the adoption agency
 people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every 
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the 
same.  If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: 

Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten (Questions for Caroline)

2007-12-19 Thread Kelley Saveika
On Dec 19, 2007 6:23 PM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Please do not assume IBD.  That's basically a default diagnosis when
 nothing else makes sense.

 1.  How long was he on metronidazole and at what dosage?
 2.  Has your vet considered tritrichomonas foetus and treatment with
 ronidazole?  (Tritrich is really pretty common.  Until recently however it
 was often mistaken as metronidazole-resistant giardia.  So don't rule it out
 as some rare bug.)

 Parasites are very likely.  Fecal tests have been estimated at around 50%
 accurate.  Sometimes you have to treat the symptoms even when the cause is
 not certain.


I agree.  My Ciara was diagnosed with IBD after a couple of clean fecals and
that's how I got such a bad case of giardia in my house, because it was
really giardia.  Believe me, I know the pain of persistent
diarrhea...*believe me*...