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On 3/9/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Debbie, Where I live outdoor cats are all considered ferals. They don't count them as part of the household. I found this interesting. A vet told me that. I have always know we don't own cats they own us. My cats for the most part have picked me out. The last one literally showed up under my porch. He knew I would help him and he is now an inside cat. I have found with my limited exposure to rescue groups and I would assume the same with humane societies, the tend to be a bit strongly opinionated if not even being accusing. I am sure it comes from what they see. They do not know us at all, but it tends to put one off. I had a bad experience with a rescue group when I was trying to place a dog that I had not adopted but my mom did and she gave the dog to me after my dad died. I was not at home most of the time, I did not have a fenced yard and what this dog required was attention that I could not give her. Well you would have though I had committed a crime the way I was treated and no good solutions were offered other than I should crate her. I know now that it would have helped but was not the solution. Casey came up with her won solutions. She found a family with kids who lived nearby. She would go there and play. I later found where she was going. They offered to keep her for the weekend while I was away. When I came back I asked if they wanted her and they said yes. It was the best thing that happend to her. Sorry it took me a while to respond to this, but I wanted to address it because I think it is very important. I think a lot of rescue groups do not understand customer service at all. They DO tend to be accusatory. The bad thing is that it is because they care about animals so much, but they don't understand that they are off-putting and drive people to buy from breeders or get a free pet from the paper or Internet. I try to be different. I don't have a checklist of items people have to agree to/have in order to adopt a pet from me (God forbid you not have a fenced yard - really, how DARE you? - sheesh). I am always polite to people even when I really don't want to be. I have a business and I need to represent it well to the world. I'm glad Casey found a good new home:) Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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In a message dated 3/9/07 4:41:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have found with my limited exposure to rescue groups and I would assume the same with humane societies, the tend to be a bit strongly opinionated if not even being accusing. I am sure it comes from what they see. YES Anyone not exposed w/ working in rescue has NO idea what we see try to deal with. Education is the key... And, our rescue group tries to educate. But, so many people don't even want to listen... No wonder I prefer creatures over people. No offense, but I've just seen and dealt with WAY TOO MUCH Animals are NOT disposable.. Sorry,I hope I haven't offended anyone. JMO. Patti her (non-disposable, special needs rescued) gang BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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In a message dated 3/9/07 10:10:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They need some education severely. Couldn't agree more... EDUCATION IS THE KEY Patti her gang (Most rescued due to special needs or other problems that owners couldn't/wouldn't even try to deal with. And, guess what??? They are all doing GREAT!!! Their loss, my gain They are my world. The whole reason I am still here after MVA, I honestly believe that...) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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I did not mean to offend anyone here. I am just saying they were only accusatory and not helpful. Casey was a much happier dog after she found a home where she had kids and much attention. Are you saying I should have kept her locked up all day? This is just a rhetorical question. As I said before Casey came to me after dad died my mother could not handle her. I know many folks have their parents pets euthanized as an option. I would never consider that as an option. If finding Casey a good home where she had children to play with her she lived a long healthy life is a bad thing then I am guilty. She was not my dog and did not want to be my dog, Sometimes animals choose who they want to be with and this is what she did. If i did not care about her I would have not gone and gotten her back from the animal control. They picked her up after she broke lose, She went through a closed window one day while I was at work. It is a wonder she was't cut. Wow, how do you get such a good internet connection from that other planet you must be living on? WHO considers all outdoor cats ferals? They need some education severely HUH?? you are so sarcastic G. I did not imply i agreed with this vet,I dont know her name. It is a vet I do not use I was with a coworker when we took a feral cat who had climbed into an engine to hide. This was something the vet said. The cats subsequently died from her injuries. The guy tried to sane her, but she was never able to go to the bathroom. bye sally On 3/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/9/07 4:41:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have found with my limited exposure to rescue groups and I would assume the same with humane societies, the tend to be a bit strongly opinionated if not even being accusing. I am sure it comes from what they see. *YES *Anyone *not* exposed w/ working in rescue has *NO* idea what we see *try* to deal with. Education is the key... And, our rescue group *tries* to educate. But, so many people don't even want to listen... No wonder I prefer creatures over people. No offense, but I've just seen and dealt with *WAY TOO MUCH* *Animals are NOT disposable..* Sorry,I hope I haven't offended anyone. JMO. Patti her (non-disposable, special needs rescued) gang -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
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Hi Debbie, I do not think they are chastising you. I personally do not intend to add cats, until after Junior passes and I an sure the other eight cats stay clean of the virus. Although things happen. A cat showed up during the middel fo my crisis similiar to yours last fall. He was emaciated and starving. He joined the group and it saved his life. Ok for the rest of the group, Junior got back from the vet today. I was so hoping to see Dr. Staunton, but she took the week off. Dr Larrick is good but very conservative. Junior has swollen lymph nodes behind his ears and his back legs. Junior otherwise is stable. The Dr suggest we wait and see because his weight is good and no other symptoms. He said the lymph system may be doing what it is supposed to do fight infection. I decided against further vaccinations. What do yall think. Money is always an issue. He is on a good diet he gained back the weight he lost, he gets Petinic, CoQ10, lysine and Transfer Factor Plus. This has seemed to stabilize him. Thanks, Sally On 3/9/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been learning ALOT from this group in the past few weeks. I wondered if I again might ask your opinion on something? I thought since the outcome of our 14 cats testing negative for FELV was so wonderful that I would share the news with the humane society. I had emailed them asking if any of them would be willing to innoculate our cats for a donation. (The answer was no - that it needed done by a vet.) Anyhow I thought maybe sharing the outcome might help save other cats from unnecessary suffering. Below is my email and following is the response. After reading it let me know what you think. I was aggravated by the response. Our cats are VERY well taken care of. Wondered if it was just me reading it wrong, but I found it insulting. Luckily we do not live in the county they mention. Subject: Good News Importance: High Just thought I would email and let you know we had all 14 of our cats tested for FELV. Not a single one was positive. They were then all inoculated. The vet thought that our cat Elsa that we took to West Milton's vet may have been a false positive. If Elsa was FELV positive than the other cats and her lived together over 2 years, ate from the same bowls and used the same litter boxes. I just thought I would share this news with you. I have been in contact with people from http://www.felineleukemia.org - They offer A LOT of good information on the disease. You may want to check it out. Regards Debbie Morton Congrats. I still would add no other cats to the group in that you have over the allotted number for Miami County laws. Adding more will increase your financial liability as well as compromising the health of the cats you have made a commitment to. Tres Lynn -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
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Thanks Sally. We never intended having the ones we have. Actually they all arrived at the same time. Seven (2 different litters) were found in a trash dumpster. A lady I worked with brought them to work - she couldn't keep them because she was allergic. We hand raised all seven. I refuse to walk past a suffering animal though. I think that is cruel. I just felt that the humane society lady had no right to quote a law to us. Our 14 cats are all spayed/ neutered, clean, well groomed, have all their shots, don't fight, etc. You would tell someone they were over on the limit of kids they have, so why pets? I realize I'm probably being too sensitive, but if you don't know how someone lives I don't belive you should assume they have too many pets. I hope Junior improves. Sounds like you are taking good care of him. -Original Message- From: Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Mar 9, 2007 11:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Opinions appreciated Hi Debbie, I do not think they are chastising you. I personally do not intend to add cats, until after Junior passes and I an sure the other eight cats stay clean of the virus. Although things happen. A cat showed up during the middel fo my crisis similiar to yours last fall. He was emaciated and starving. He joined the group and it saved his life. Ok for the rest of the group, Junior got back from the vet today. I was so hoping to see Dr. Staunton, but she took the week off. Dr Larrick is good but very conservative. Junior has swollen lymph nodes behind his ears and his back legs. Junior otherwise is stable. The Dr suggest we wait and see because his weight is good and no other symptoms. He said the lymph system may be doing what it is supposed to do fight infection. I decided against further vaccinations. What do yall think. Money is always an issue. He is on a good diet he gained back the weight he lost, he gets Petinic, CoQ10, lysine and Transfer Factor Plus. This has seemed to stabilize him. Thanks, Sally On 3/9/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been learning ALOT from this group in the past few weeks. I wondered if I again might ask your opinion on something? I thought since the outcome of our 14 cats testing negative for FELV was so wonderful that I would share the news with the humane society. I had emailed them asking if any of them would be willing to innoculate our cats for a donation. (The answer was no - that it needed done by a vet.) Anyhow I thought maybe sharing the outcome might help save other cats from unnecessary suffering. Below is my email and following is the response. After reading it let me know what you think. I was aggravated by the response. Our cats are VERY well taken care of. Wondered if it was just me reading it wrong, but I found it insulting. Luckily we do not live in the county they mention. Subject: Good NewsImportance: HighJust thought I would email and let you know we had all 14 of our cats tested for FELV. Not a single one was positive. They were then all inoculated. The vet thought that our cat Elsa that we took to West Milton's vet may have been a false positive. If Elsa was FELV positive than the other cats and her lived together over 2 years, ate from the same bowls and used the same litter boxes.I just thought I would share this news with you. I have been in contact with people from http://www.felineleukemia.org - They offer A LOT of good information on the disease. You may want to check it out.RegardsDebbie MortonCongrats.I still would add no other cats to the group in that you have over the allotted number for Miami County laws.Adding more will increase your financial liability as well as compromising the health of the cats you have made a commitment to.Tres Lynn -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you canhttps://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
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Hi Debbie, Where I live outdoor cats are all considered ferals. They don't count them as part of the household. I found this interesting. A vet told me that. I have always know we don't own cats they own us. My cats for the most part have picked me out. The last one literally showed up under my porch. He knew I would help him and he is now an inside cat. I have found with my limited exposure to rescue groups and I would assume the same with humane societies, the tend to be a bit strongly opinionated if not even being accusing. I am sure it comes from what they see. They do not know us at all, but it tends to put one off. I had a bad experience with a rescue group when I was trying to place a dog that I had not adopted but my mom did and she gave the dog to me after my dad died. I was not at home most of the time, I did not have a fenced yard and what this dog required was attention that I could not give her. Well you would have though I had committed a crime the way I was treated and no good solutions were offered other than I should crate her. I know now that it would have helped but was not the solution. Casey came up with her won solutions. She found a family with kids who lived nearby. She would go there and play. I later found where she was going. They offered to keep her for the weekend while I was away. When I came back I asked if they wanted her and they said yes. It was the best thing that happend to her. gotta go my boyfriend just fell, blames me for it. Another story Sally On 3/9/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Sally. We never intended having the ones we have. Actually they all arrived at the same time. Seven (2 different litters) were found in a trash dumpster. A lady I worked with brought them to work - she couldn't keep them because she was allergic. We hand raised all seven. I refuse to walk past a suffering animal though. I think that is cruel. I just felt that the humane society lady had no right to quote a law to us. Our 14 cats are all spayed/ neutered, clean, well groomed, have all their shots, don't fight, etc. You would tell someone they were over on the limit of kids they have, so why pets? I realize I'm probably being too sensitive, but if you don't know how someone lives I don't belive you should assume they have too many pets. I hope Junior improves. Sounds like you are taking good care of him. -Original Message- From: Sally Davis Sent: Mar 9, 2007 11:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Opinions appreciated Hi Debbie, I do not think they are chastising you. I personally do not intend to add cats, until after Junior passes and I an sure the other eight cats stay clean of the virus. Although things happen. A cat showed up during the middel fo my crisis similiar to yours last fall. He was emaciated and starving. He joined the group and it saved his life. Ok for the rest of the group, Junior got back from the vet today. I was so hoping to see Dr. Staunton, but she took the week off. Dr Larrick is good but very conservative. Junior has swollen lymph nodes behind his ears and his back legs. Junior otherwise is stable. The Dr suggest we wait and see because his weight is good and no other symptoms. He said the lymph system may be doing what it is supposed to do fight infection. I decided against further vaccinations. What do yall think. Money is always an issue. He is on a good diet he gained back the weight he lost, he gets Petinic, CoQ10, lysine and Transfer Factor Plus. This has seemed to stabilize him. Thanks, Sally On 3/9/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been learning ALOT from this group in the past few weeks. I wondered if I again might ask your opinion on something? I thought since the outcome of our 14 cats testing negative for FELV was so wonderful that I would share the news with the humane society. I had emailed them asking if any of them would be willing to innoculate our cats for a donation. (The answer was no - that it needed done by a vet.) Anyhow I thought maybe sharing the outcome might help save other cats from unnecessary suffering. Below is my email and following is the response. After reading it let me know what you think. I was aggravated by the response. Our cats are VERY well taken care of. Wondered if it was just me reading it wrong, but I found it insulting. Luckily we do not live in the county they mention. Subject: Good News Importance: High Just thought I would email and let you know we had all 14 of our cats tested for FELV. Not a single one was positive. They were then all inoculated. The vet thought that our cat Elsa that we took to West Milton's vet may have been a false positive. If Elsa was FELV positive than the other cats and her lived together over 2 years, ate from the same bowls and used the same litter boxes. I just thought I would share this news with you. I have been in contact with people from http://www.felineleukemia.org - They offer A LOT
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She is simply quoting the fact that you are breaking a law in her county, she may be unaware you aren't in the same county. I don't think her reply is rude, just pointing out a legal fact. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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Actually, there are two quite famous families that get lots of airtime on Lifetime that have over 12 CHILDREN in their home. They OFTEN get asked if they take proper care of them all, get accused of all kinds of things simply because they have more kids than society deems acceptable. So, it happens with kids too. Here's what they get in any typical outing with 10 or more kids in tow (and some suggested come backs maybe you could use for your cats too, LOL): http://www.plomp.com/largefam/comebacks.htm Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
