Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
Does anyone else have any idea what Paul's even talking about, at this point? P On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 18:41:55 GMT, Paul B Mahol wrote: On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 6:58 PM Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 11/7/2023 10:05 AM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > > Documentation is there and its 99.99% co

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Koch (12023-11-07): > That's a good summary of the current state. I did also try to understand > this stuff some time ago, without success. Except for this: > > Interactions between all of this are not documented anywhere. This is completely untrue, and Phil has been familiar with FFmpeg

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 8:01 PM Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 11/7/2023 10:10 AM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > > I never assume anything without sufficient facts and data I can confirm > > again and again using proven solutions and procedures. > > And yet, you seem to know enough to tell people that they're w

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 11/7/2023 10:10 AM, Paul B Mahol wrote: I never assume anything without sufficient facts and data I can confirm again and again using proven solutions and procedures. And yet, you seem to know enough to tell people that they're wrong, and do so without telling them exactly what's wrong and

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 6:58 PM Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 11/7/2023 10:05 AM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > > Documentation is there and its 99.99% correct and maintained, but as > usual > > you misinterpret it almost always via your logic fallacies. > > Tell us what's wrong. > > I never assume anything wi

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 6:57 PM wrote: > On 11/7/23 12:42, Michael Koch wrote: > > ... I did also try to understand this stuff some time ago, without > success. > > > > Michael > > Well, you're just stupid, Michael. Phil, too. Me, too. > More extremely lazy, for not providing small sample(s). >

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 11/7/2023 10:05 AM, Paul B Mahol wrote: Documentation is there and its 99.99% correct and maintained, but as usual you misinterpret it almost always via your logic fallacies. Tell us what's wrong. z! ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread markfilipak . imdb
On 11/7/23 12:42, Michael Koch wrote: ... I did also try to understand this stuff some time ago, without success. Michael Well, you're just stupid, Michael. Phil, too. Me, too. Hahahahaha...BoH ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.or

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 6:53 PM Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user < ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org> wrote: > On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 17:28:58 GMT, Paul B Mahol < > one...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > You are deeply confused, and make assumptions from no knowledge and from > no> actual facts at all. > Oh, okay

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 17:28:58 GMT, Paul B Mahol wrote: > You are deeply confused, and make assumptions from no knowledge and from no>  > actual facts at all. Oh, okay - are you telling us the options I listed aren't part of ffmpeg? They're all listed in the documentation, on pages su

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Michael Koch
Am 07.11.2023 um 18:23 schrieb Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user: So let me get this straight. There's a command line option called colorspace. There's a filter called colorspace which has options including "space," "trc" (meaning "transfer characteristics") and "primaries," as well as several other

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 6:24 PM Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user < ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org> wrote: > So let me get this straight. > There's a command line option called colorspace. > There's a filter called colorspace which has options including "space," > "trc" (meaning "transfer characteristics") and

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
So let me get this straight. There's a command line option called colorspace. There's a filter called colorspace which has options including "space," "trc" (meaning "transfer characteristics") and "primaries," as well as several other options which do not actually have anything to do with colour

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 5:03 PM wrote: > On 11/7/23 10:27, Paul B Mahol wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 3:09 PM wrote: > > > >> On 11/7/23 08:39, Paul B Mahol wrote: > >>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 2:22 PM wrote: > >>> > On 11/7/23 06:55, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: > > On Tue

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread markfilipak . imdb
On 11/7/23 10:27, Paul B Mahol wrote: On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 3:09 PM wrote: On 11/7/23 08:39, Paul B Mahol wrote: On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 2:22 PM wrote: On 11/7/23 06:55, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 11:48:24 GMT, < markfilipak.i...@gmail.com> wrot

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 3:09 PM wrote: > On 11/7/23 08:39, Paul B Mahol wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 2:22 PM wrote: > > > >> On 11/7/23 06:55, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: > >>>On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 11:48:24 GMT, < > >> markfilipak.i...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > I

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread markfilipak . imdb
On 11/7/23 08:39, Paul B Mahol wrote: On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 2:22 PM wrote: On 11/7/23 06:55, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 11:48:24 GMT, < markfilipak.i...@gmail.com> wrote: I think it sets the color tags on the _input_ I'm not so sure ... I t

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 2:22 PM wrote: > On 11/7/23 06:55, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: > > On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 11:48:24 GMT, < > markfilipak.i...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I think it sets the color tags on the _input_ > > I'm not so sure ... > > I tried it. The saturation wa

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread markfilipak . imdb
On 11/7/23 06:55, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 11:48:24 GMT, wrote:  I think it sets the color tags on the _input_ I'm not so sure ... I tried it. The saturation was still there. Giving up for lack of information. Thanks folks -- Mark. _

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
I don't think you need to do this for a second - what's on the disc will be 709. That's how blu-rays work, unless they're the oddball Sony 4K thing. The whole purpose of colour grading is to put whatever comes off the film scanner into 709. P On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 12:04:34 GMT, Rob

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Rob Hallam
On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 at 03:42, wrote: > The Question: > Do you have any advice regarding colormatrix? > Thanks for any advice for relieving a headache > --Mark. If you haven't already, it might be worth tackling this from another direction. Look at the credits for the remaster, figure out who was i

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 11:48:24 GMT, wrote: > I think it sets the color tags on the _input_ I'm not so sure, it specifically says "marks interlace and color range for the output frames." It then goes on to imply the filter does a bit more than set just interlacing and colour range fl

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread markfilipak . imdb
On 11/7/23 06:29, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: Well, yeah, but we've been discussing x265, too, so it seemed worth asking. I presume you're talking about this setparams filter: https://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-filters.html#setparams-1 There aren't any examples of usage there, but it seems to do

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
Well, yeah, but we've been discussing x265, too, so it seemed worth asking. I presume you're talking about this setparams filter: https://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-filters.html#setparams-1 There aren't any examples of usage there, but it seems to do nothing but set the flags on the output data. I'm not

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 11:40 AM Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user < ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 10:30:33 GMT, Paul B Mahol < > one...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Use setparams filter to properly tag inputs colorspace related metadata. > > Y'know, I've been dealing

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 10:30:33 GMT, Paul B Mahol wrote: > Use setparams filter to properly tag inputs colorspace related metadata. Y'know, I've been dealing with this stuff for twenty-plus years, and I'm not very clear on exactly what you're trying to suggest Mark does here.

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 11:21 AM wrote: > On 11/7/23 04:08, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: > > I have no idea how colour handling in x265 works so I can't really > advise on specifically how to set it up. Possibly it's documented > somewhere. One of the problems with this (which comes up in

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread markfilipak . imdb
On 11/7/23 04:08, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: I have no idea how colour handling in x265 works so I can't really advise on specifically how to set it up. Possibly it's documented somewhere. One of the problems with this (which comes up in some high end post production software quite o

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-07 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
I have no idea how colour handling in x265 works so I can't really advise on specifically how to set it up. Possibly it's documented somewhere. One of the problems with this (which comes up in some high end post production software quite often) is that it's sometimes not very clear whether we'r

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-06 Thread markfilipak . imdb
On 11/6/23 11:16, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: A number of potentially complex interactions govern what's going on here. FFmpeg has never been particularly smart about how it interprets colour and brightness encoding, and it is not very well documented in that regard, but to be fair, f

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-06 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
A number of potentially complex interactions govern what's going on here. FFmpeg has never been particularly smart about how it interprets colour and brightness encoding, and it is not very well documented in that regard, but to be fair, files are not always (or even often) marked correctly wit

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-06 Thread markfilipak . imdb
On 11/6/23 09:16, Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 10:42 PM wrote: Hello All, I have a 1990s TV show -- called 'SOURCE' here -- made by Paramount. The show was renowned for its production values. It's on Blu-ray from Paramount. The Blu-ray was made in 2012 (may be a clue to a

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-06 Thread Devin Heitmueller
On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 10:42 PM wrote: > > Hello All, > > I have a 1990s TV show -- called 'SOURCE' here -- made by Paramount. The show > was renowned for its > production values. It's on Blu-ray from Paramount. The Blu-ray was made in > 2012 (may be a clue to a > colorspace variant used). If i

[FFmpeg-user] Requesting colormatrix advice

2023-11-05 Thread markfilipak . imdb
Hello All, I have a 1990s TV show -- called 'SOURCE' here -- made by Paramount. The show was renowned for its production values. It's on Blu-ray from Paramount. The Blu-ray was made in 2012 (may be a clue to a colorspace variant used). The Question: Do you have any advice regarding colormatri