Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
> So whether or not you agree with the current licensing structure, if you>  >want to use ffmpeg components you have to play by those rules. Well, of course, but that's not really my concern: it's more that even if you were playing by the rules, it might actually be quite difficult to prove

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 11/28/2023 4:09 AM, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user wrote: The thing which makes all this a bit difficult is whether it's possible (or easy) to prove that a given distributed binary is actually compiled from the source code one is offering. I'm not sure that this has ever been tested in court -

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
As has been said, it would be essentially impossible to track down everyone who's contributed to a project the size of ffmpeg and gain permission of each to alter the licence, so the discussion is effectively moot. Another reason it's moot is that open source is effectively a religion to a lot

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Rob Hallam
As has been stated, it seems vanishingly unlikely there will be a relicense. However, it seems there is a misconception about the GPL here: On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 at 10:24, Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena wrote: >*GPL means that all forks need to be public, not that the modifications

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread David Bernat
Licensing is not the issue. Show of force required. On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:41 AM Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 28.11.23 um 11:35 schrieb David Bernat: > > Please unsubscribe. I have sent numerous requests. > > what is your problem? > > nobody needs another 10 mails within minutes in the

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.11.23 um 11:35 schrieb David Bernat: Please unsubscribe. I have sent numerous requests. what is your problem? nobody needs another 10 mails within minutes in the style of "This is not meant to be used as a library. This is an application" it's not possible to change the license, it

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena
Noted. No worries. Just asked to see if it is a possibility. On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 at 16:04, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 28.11.23 um 11:32 schrieb Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena: > > This is the reason OpenJDK is successful though at this point of time > they > > are very well at a

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread David Bernat
Please unsubscribe. I have sent numerous requests. On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:34 AM Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 28.11.23 um 11:32 schrieb Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena: > > This is the reason OpenJDK is successful though at this point of time > they > > are very well at a point

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.11.23 um 11:32 schrieb Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena: This is the reason OpenJDK is successful though at this point of time they are very well at a point they can change the license. GPL nature of the license prevented fragmentation by de-incentivising competing

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena
This is the reason OpenJDK is successful though at this point of time they are very well at a point they can change the license. GPL nature of the license prevented fragmentation by de-incentivising competing incompatible hard forks. > ___ ffmpeg-user

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena
In application software fragmentation can hurt. *GPL reduces the risk of fragmentation. This is how the Linux Kernel succeeded. ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena
This is not meant to be used as a library. This is an application. ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Tue, 28 Nov 2023, at 11:23, Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena wrote: > changes once the changes become substatial. Once a library project grows > beyond a critical mass LGPL hurts the project more than helps. Let me introduce you to a small project: http://kernel.org/ --

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena
For a project like this, forking into a private or proprietary code base with substantial modifications is not feasible as maintaining it will be difficult and keeping up and modifying upstream changes will be very difficult. Also maintaining a private hard fork will be very costly. > copyleft

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.11.23 um 07:28 schrieb Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena: - You cannot just borrow some code than using the library thanks god ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-27 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Tue, 28 Nov 2023, at 07:28, Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena wrote: > This is a crucial library that the whole world depends on and not a > commetilised product by one company. Hence it will be good if it can be > made copy free (https://copyfree.org). Still no. Because it is a

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-27 Thread Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena
There are projects which have switched. Many of the authors can be identified by the commits. If they were employed and made the contribution as part of their work, contacting the employee might be the best option. Also namy contributors may be connected you can get the help of colleagues to

Re: [FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-27 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 11/27/2023 9:50 AM, Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena wrote: Is there a possibility to gradually move away from *GPL to a more liberal license? E.g. Apache 2.0 and/or MIT and/or BSD. That's unlikely as overall ffmpeg has contributions from many authors and they'd all have to agree

[FFmpeg-user] More Liberal Licensing

2023-11-27 Thread Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena
Hello, Is there a possibility to gradually move away from *GPL to a more liberal license? E.g. Apache 2.0 and/or MIT and/or BSD. Suminda ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To