Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-19 Thread pdr0
Mark Filipak wrote >> The result of telecine is progressive content (you started with >> progressive >> content) , but the output signal is interlaced. > > According to the Motion Pictures Experts Group, it's not interlaced > because the odd/even lines are > not separated by 1/fieldrate seconds;

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-19 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
> Am 18.04.2020 um 22:06 schrieb Mark Filipak > : > > [...] To anyone ever reading this thread: I don’t know if the things written here are true for analog video, I don’t know about other software but a lot that was written here is certainly wrong when thinking of FFmpeg, do not use it as gu

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-19 Thread Michael Koch
Mark, "recurse" works if your timestamps are correct. Carl Eugen said that, too. How could the timestamps be wrong? Well, I think the timestamp isn't "wrong", but it's "not as you expect". If a filter has two inputs and the input frames have different timestamps, then what's the timestamp

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-19 Thread Mark Filipak
Upon rereading this thread, I see an error early on. I correct it, below. On 04/19/2020 02:56 AM, pdr0 wrote: Mark Filipak wrote I would love to use motion compensation but I can't, at least not with ffmpeg. Now, if there was such a thing as smart telecine... A A A+B B B -- input A A B B

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-19 Thread Mark Filipak
pdr0, I think you're a champ. I can tell you're academic. Well, in addition to engineering for 25 years, I also taught: For 3-1/2 years in the U.S. Air Force. and for 1/2 year at a university. Give the students one good example. That's all it generally takes. Then, when they run into a situa

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-19 Thread Mark Filipak
On 04/19/2020 02:56 AM, pdr0 wrote: Mark Filipak wrote I would love to use motion compensation but I can't, at least not with ffmpeg. Now, if there was such a thing as smart telecine... A A A+B B B -- input A A B B -- pass 4 frames directly to output A A+B B -- pass 3 frames to filte

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-18 Thread pdr0
Mark Filipak wrote > > I would love to use motion compensation but I can't, at least not with > ffmpeg. Now, if there was > such a thing as smart telecine... > > A A A+B B B -- input > A A B B -- pass 4 frames directly to output >A A+B B -- pass 3 frames to filter > X -- mot

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-18 Thread Mark Filipak
On 04/19/2020 12:26 AM, pdr0 wrote: Mark Filipak wrote Deinterlacing does not necessarily have to be used in the context of "telecast". e.g. a consumer camcorder recording home video interlaced content is technically not "telecast". Telecast implies "broadcast on television" You are right of

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-18 Thread pdr0
Mark Filipak wrote >> Deinterlacing does not necessarily have to be used in the context of >> "telecast". e.g. a consumer camcorder recording home video interlaced >> content is technically not "telecast". Telecast implies "broadcast on >> television" > > You are right of course. I use "telecast

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-18 Thread Mark Filipak
On 04/18/2020 07:16 PM, pdr0 wrote: Mark Filipak wrote Deinterlacing is conversion of the i30-telecast (or i25-telecast) to p30 (or p25) and, optionally, smoothing the resulting p30 (or p25) frames. That is the description for single rate deinterlacing. But that is not what a flat panel TV doe

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-18 Thread pdr0
Mark Filipak wrote > Deinterlacing is conversion of the i30-telecast (or i25-telecast) to p30 > (or p25) and, optionally, > smoothing the resulting p30 (or p25) frames. That is the description for single rate deinterlacing. But that is not what a flat panel TV does with interlaced content or "tel

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-18 Thread Mark Filipak
On 04/18/2020 05:35 PM, Jim DeLaHunt wrote: On 2020-04-18 13:06, Mark Filipak wrote: Forgive me if this subject seems pedantic to you. I think it's important and the source of a lot of misunderstanding. As always, correct me if I'm wrong. According to the MPEG spec, interlace relates to field

Re: [FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-18 Thread Jim DeLaHunt
On 2020-04-18 13:06, Mark Filipak wrote: Forgive me if this subject seems pedantic to you. I think it's important and the source of a lot of misunderstanding. As always, correct me if I'm wrong. According to the MPEG spec, interlace relates to fields that are temporally offset by 1/60th secon

[FFmpeg-user] decomb versus deinterlace

2020-04-18 Thread Mark Filipak
Forgive me if this subject seems pedantic to you. I think it's important and the source of a lot of misunderstanding. As always, correct me if I'm wrong. According to the MPEG spec, interlace relates to fields that are temporally offset by 1/60th second (NTSC) or 1/50th second (PAL) that typic