[filmscanners] Re: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-16 Thread Henk de Jong
Simply stated: I think Arthur is wrong! ;-) I have several images on my web photo galleries who gave me a headache with posterisations in the (monochromatic) blue skies while editing. A photo editing program working with 16 bit/channel and feeding it with the maximum available bit-depth from the

[filmscanners] Re: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-16 Thread David J. Littleboy
Henk de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simply stated: I think Arthur is wrong! ;-) Me too, but on to happier things... I have several images on my web photo galleries who gave me a headache with posterisations in the (monochromatic) blue skies while editing. A photo editing program working

[filmscanners] Re: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-16 Thread Andreas Siegert
Hi Henk, A photo editing program working with 16 bit/channel and feeding it with the maximum available bit-depth from the scanner would be the solution. Unfortunately PSP (PS is to expensive for me) is working only with 8 bits/channel. VueScan is ideal in bringing all the information which my

[filmscanners] Re: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread Rob Geraghty
Austin Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying this applies when using Vuescan - especially with negs? That is probably how every filmscanner that you or I would use, works... The issue is the software (and possibly hardware), and how it allows you to control this...but if you can get

[filmscanners] RE: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-16 Thread Austin Franklin
Henk, I have several images on my web photo galleries who gave me a headache with posterisations in the (monochromatic) blue skies while editing. How do you know the original scanner data is any good? A photo editing program working with 16 bit/channel and feeding it with the maximum

[filmscanners] RE: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread Austin Franklin
Hi Rob, Austin Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying this applies when using Vuescan - especially with negs? That is probably how every filmscanner that you or I would use, works... The issue is the software (and possibly hardware), and how it allows you to control this...but

[filmscanners] RE: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-16 Thread Frank Paris
Count me also to the 16 bit/channel club :-) Yup, it does not cost me anything more than working with 8bits but a bit of storage for those images that I archive for future editing. So why risk loosing information. Arguing for 8bits is just plain silly. Silly is one word, sophistry is

[filmscanners] RE: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread Frank Paris
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Austin Franklin Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] RE: 24bit vs more Hi Rob, Well, I've been around since long before Viewscan...and IMO,

[filmscanners] RE: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread Austin Franklin
Frank, By low end scanners, do you mean something like the Polaroid SS4000? Because VueScan produces much better scans than Polacolor Insight. Viewscan, nor Insight, nor any scanner software produces the scans, the scanner and the scanner operator does. Perhaps it's true that for someone who

[filmscanners] RE: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-16 Thread Austin Franklin
Frank, Arguing for 8bits is just plain silly. Silly is one word, sophistry is another. Well, in one word, arguing against using 8 bit/channel color shows ignorance. Do you have an image that you can show me that is lacking because it had tonal manipulation done in 8 bits, oh, and

[filmscanners] RE: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-16 Thread Austin Franklin
Frank, Arguing for 8bits is just plain silly. Silly is one word, sophistry is another. Well, in one word, arguing against using 8 bit/channel color shows ignorance. Do you have an image that you can show me that is lacking because it had tonal manipulation done in 8 bits, oh, and plus the

[filmscanners] Re: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread Bob Frost
It is with the Nikon 4000. Vuescan simply saves it as an extra channel if you ask it to. You can then look at it and see what it has marked for removal. Bob Frost. - Original Message - From: Austin Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IR data is simply a fourth channel, and could easily be

[filmscanners] RE: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread Austin Franklin
Thanks for that info Bob. Does the Nikon 4000 suffer from any focus issues, at least in your experience (assuming you have one)? BTW, do you think the IR dust removal works well? It seems to me that it's (dust problem) exacerbated on scanners that use point light sources, like LEDs... I've

[filmscanners] Are there multiple versions of SRGB?

2003-09-16 Thread Nagaraj, Ramesh
I was reading the spec of Nikon D2H at http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond2h/page2.asp It says Color space * I: sRGB (Portraits Natural Skin Tones) * II: Adobe RGB (Wide Gamut) * III: sRGB (Landscapes and Flora Are there multiple versions of SRGB? I do

[filmscanners] RE: Are there multiple versions of SRGB?

2003-09-16 Thread
Nagaraj, Ramesh wrote . . . I was reading the spec of Nikon D2H at http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond2h/page2.asp It says Color space * I: sRGB (Portraits Natural Skin Tones) * II: Adobe RGB (Wide Gamut) * III: sRGB (Landscapes and Flora Are there

[filmscanners] RE: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread Frank Paris
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Austin Franklin Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] RE: 24bit vs more Frank, By low end scanners, do you mean something like the

[filmscanners] Re: Are there multiple versions of SRGB?

2003-09-16 Thread Ellis Vener
sRGB may have a strict technical definition but different companies apply it differently. Bruce Fraser Andrew Rodney in particular have pointed out that what Nikon, Fuji and Canon (to point out three big examples) call sRGB or Adobe RGB in their cameras isn't quite exactly a pure

[filmscanners] RE: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread Austin Franklin
Frank, Perhaps it's true that for someone who wants the software to simply hand then a scan, Viewscan does a better job at automating the process. And I presume you think this is me? How condescending. Frank, did I say that was you? No, I didn't. Don't read things into what I say that

[filmscanners] Re: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread David J. Littleboy
Austin Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have little experience with Viewscan, FWIW, Arthur, your cheapshots against Vuescan are really stupid; you don't know what you are talking about. It's a powerful, flexible, scanner driver. It's not about automation at all. The software provided with

[filmscanners] RE: Are there multiple versions of SRGB?

2003-09-16 Thread LAURIE SOLOMON
To the best of my knowledge, there is only one version of sRGB. From what you have written, I would assume that Nikon is using the same sRGB but the difference between I III has to do with other factors such as the default setting of white and black points and tonal curves of the color space to

[filmscanners] Vuescan vs Insight: what is better about Vuescan ? (was 24 bit vs more)

2003-09-16 Thread
For the SS4000: I have tried many times to use the Vuescan software rather than Insight but I keep returning to Insight. First, I find Insight significantly faster than Vuescan. Second, I find the controls in Insight to be just easier to use. I still have Vuescan on my computer and am interested

[filmscanners] RE: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread Austin Franklin
Hi David, The last I checked, Vuescan doesn't have a curves tool, although it's high on the author's list of things to add. What it does have support for is color calibration. Some of the scanner software has film profiling, and I've done quite a bit of work with it, unfortunately, that only

[filmscanners] Canon's new digital SLR

2003-09-16 Thread Arthur Entlich
Since traffic is quiet here (other than the hi bit my eyes are better than yours are debate, again) and since most of use are watching the digital camera market with interest, I just received word of an apparently newly released Canon camera, the Canon Digital Rebel, which takes standard EOS

[filmscanners] Re: Vuescan vs Insight: what is better about Vuescan? (was 24 bit vs more)

2003-09-16 Thread Petru Lauric
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the SS4000: I have tried many times to use the Vuescan software rather than Insight but I keep returning to Insight. First, I find Insight significantly faster than Vuescan. Second, I find the controls in Insight to be just easier to use. I still have Vuescan on my

[filmscanners] Re: Canon's new digital SLR

2003-09-16 Thread Arthur Entlich
I want to correct some information I received which appears to be incorrect. Although one website indicated the list price of the camera package was $1400, that is apparently not accurate. The list price is $999 US, and it also seems to be the current street price as well. The camera is called

[filmscanners] RE: Vuescan vs Insight: what is better about Vuescan? (was 24 bit vs more)

2003-09-16 Thread
I am scanning slides almost exclusively. I got VueScan as a benefit of being a VuePrint purchaser years ago. I got free upgrades for a long time, but they ended that with a version just above my 7.5.41. I would have to buy the program again now and although it's not very expensive, I just haven't

[filmscanners] Re: Vuescan vs Insight: what is better aboutVuescan ? (was 24 bit vs more)

2003-09-16 Thread Julian Vrieslander
On 09/16/03 7:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be fair, I still am using version 7.5.41. Does the latest 7.6.XX offer significantly more features or functionality? I got the last free upgrade before Ed started charging again. You can look at the changes history on Ed's

[filmscanners] Re: 24bit vs more

2003-09-16 Thread David J. Littleboy
Austin Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The last I checked, Vuescan doesn't have a curves tool, although it's high on the author's list of things to add. What it does have support for is color calibration. Some of the scanner software has film profiling, and I've done quite a bit of work

[filmscanners] RE: Vuescan vs Insight: what is better aboutVuescan? (was 24 bit vs more)

2003-09-16 Thread Tim Atherton
I am scanning slides almost exclusively. I got VueScan as a benefit of being a VuePrint purchaser years ago. I got free upgrades for a long time, but they ended that with a version just above my 7.5.41. Stan - so did I, but I still get free upgrades...? tim

[filmscanners] RE: Vuescan vs Insight: what is better about Vuescan? (was 24 bit vs more)

2003-09-16 Thread Frank Paris
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Petru Lauric Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Vuescan vs Insight: what is better about Vuescan? (was 24 bit vs more) Last I checked the

[filmscanners] RE: Canon's new digital SLR

2003-09-16 Thread Martin Reddington
This camera is now available in some shops in the US and Asia and there is a lively debate on it in a special forum at http://www.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1031. So far some problems with flash exposure have been reported and the main complaint so far seems to be the lack of flash