The point u r missing as far as I can see is that the Black Widow and
Slidescan slide adaptors are totally different from the transparency hoods
you are talking about -these are a prism device that siits on top of a
flatbed and is not made by the scanner manfrs like the HP device-test
reports
It sounds like you have a basis for a potentially valuable patent there
yourself. Good luck to you.
Hersch
At 12:04 PM 01/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
In a message dated 1/31/2001 9:59:13 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please tell us more about the difference between your spot removal vs.
Any chance of making this a PS plug-in?
Spencer Stone
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hersch Nitikman
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.6 Available
It sounds like you
Tom writes ...
Hi everyone,If you are storing lots of images its worth using
Photoshops
LZW compression,If you have Photoshop that is .It will save a fair
bit
of space and wont degrade your hard won image like Jpeg does.
I would assume that LZW is a sort of runlength encoding or otherwise
They make them smaller for cost reasons, you can put more dies
(chips) on a
single wafer, which makes them cheaper. That's not quite
the same as
yield...
VERY LARGE ICs have been made in the past, but they are very
expensive to
make because the yields are so poor.
Well,
I appreciate the comments about the law changing and I was aware of the US law
change. That will not, however, make it happen quickly and everywhere.
Wherever lawyers can find a chink in a defendant's armor, they will and no law
will make a prudent lawyer tell a client to not play it safe and
FWIW, the Feburary issue of Popular Photography has a rewiew of 10 Flatbeds, an
interesting article on CDROM Burners (particularly for those considering purchasing one
but wanting to know more) and six links to their "Top photo sites of the month"
Mike
GIF is smaller due to limited (256) number of colors, PNG does it much
better and supports even 24 bit color.
At 18:15 31/01/2001 -0800, you wrote:
Hi,
Hi everyone,If you are storing lots of images its worth using Photoshops
LZW compression,If you have Photoshop that is .It will save a fair
Hi Ed,
The key insight came when I learned about Sigma filters. I was
amazed at how well the final algorithm worked. I can probably
tweak it some more, but it works quite well now. I'd recommend
using the "Clean" setting instead of "Scrub" or "Scour" since
it seems to work well and is quite
I work for an IC testing company (Credence Systems) and I know that what
you're saying isn't true. In fact, it's just pure geometry. You don't even
have to understand the physics of it.
Frank Paris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684
It isn't true that because
You do loose quality saving as a gif. It will strip out your color
gradation which makes a photograph look like a photograph. It's suitable
for cartoons and banners.
GIF is smaller due to limited (256) number of colors, PNG does it much
better and supports even 24 bit color.
LZW is used in TIFF as well as ZIP. Another good option is PNG.
At 21:35 31/01/2001 +, you wrote:
Hi everyone,If you are storing lots of images its worth using Photoshops
LZW compression,If you have Photoshop that is .It will save a fair bit
of space and wont degrade your hard won image
Stuart,
It might be that ''Black Widow'' or ''Slidescan'' adapters are using a
different set of tricks to cheat the flat bed scanner and to succeed to scan
slides on a flat-bed , but I wasn't able to find any description of this
devices on the Web.
By the way ... when scanning slides ... this
"Austin Franklin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One other thing that just occurred to me: aren't there three
or four pixels on the CCD for each actual pixel seen in the image?
Yes. That is only for color information though, not for edge information.
Except with the Nikon scanners that AFAIK use
Interesting! Was it a Federal law? In what jurisdictions does it apply?
Hersch
At 06:00 PM 01/31/2001 -1000, you wrote:
A law was just passed here in the US that makes a digital signature (i.e.
email) good in court.
Spencer Stone
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Laurie Solomon wrote:
Actually it was purely electronic and mechanical. I typed "current" in but
the computer only registered the first two and the last two characters.
When I sent the email the spell checker did not catch the word; Microsoft
obviously views it as a legitimate old
I know that professional Video CCD cameras use (or at least did... I'm
somewhat out of touch today) separate chips for each of the two or three
colors (RGB) with some type of beam slipper (some used two and used
subtractive math to "figure out" the third, I believe). That allowed
for smaller
I apologize for continuing this off topic thread, but anyone who is
following it probably has some interest, and I've change the subject
line for those who are not so they may ignore it.
Over the years, I've leaned a few things about Epson ink carts that
might help others to avoid some
Laurie I believe you are missing my point an analogy would be a vintage
car.
if it runs when you start it and it does not need new parts it will
still get you from A to B in the same way as it did when it was new.
So it is with computers and their peripherals ,Its only when you change
Operating
it works for me. nuff said.
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Regards
Richard
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:00:27 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
Any chance of making this a PS plug-in?
Spencer Stone
That would be cool.
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Richard
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I haven't used one, but here in Canada many HP flatbeds were sold with a
similar device, and there is even a website somewhere which shows you
how to make one from white cardboard (don't have the url, sorry). The
samples the creator showed were acceptable and likely not much better
than the
WOW!
I reported my problem to www.dl-c.com and they've already sent me a patch.
It's almost like Ed's Vuescan! This is the third time they were able to send
me a patch within two days of reporting a bug in a few weeks stretch.
BTW. All bug reports of mine had to do with slideshow stuff.
shAf,
I really do believe that digital is going to be the mainstream method of
capturing images in the future but like Video and Cine film it will live
for some time side by side with film.
Film has a lot of advantages still,you can use a batteryless camera for
instance,underwater ,in the artic or the
It looks like a polarizing effect to me. Personally I don't use polarizers
with wide angle lenses with lots of sky in the image because I don't like
the effect. It's probably an individual thing. Great picture otherwise.
Thanks! I guess I'm just a sucker for saturated colours. ;)
Rob
to me it's pola filter. if it were vignetting, then it should be
symmetrical "circle" in all 4 corners. in your case more effect on the left
indicates another factor (an angle of the sun rays). yonks ago I bought
58mm pola filter plus few rings, works with all my lenses 52 and 55 mm.
Michael Moore wrote:
I cut my electronics teeth on HP when I trained as an electronics tech in Th
US Navy... Their stuff was always built to last... Last summer I bought an HP
932C... it's built much better than my Epson 740... plus the cartridges come
with the nozzles built in so if a
Recent legislative changes both in the US and Canada, have recognized
the legality of electronic documentation under certain conditions.
Eventually, through the use of bio-metrics, your electronic "signature"
will be as "good" and as unique as your fingerprint.
My on-line brokerage allows me
At 19:32 31-01-01 -1000, you wrote:
FWIW, the Feburary issue of Popular Photography has a rewiew of 10
Flatbeds, an
interesting article on CDROM Burners (particularly for those considering
purchasing one
but wanting to know more) and six links to their "Top photo sites of the
month"
Mike
Sounds to me like people should buy a working copy of Vuescan now before
either Ed breaks it up into 3 programs for $40 or more each, or he's
given a "offer he can't refuse" from someone like Microsoft ;-)
Art
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/31/2001 9:59:13 AM EST, [EMAIL
"Chris McBrien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zoom shut down after being on a tripod in -2C. air for twenty
minutes. I had to rely on the 23 year old 35mm. Minolta.
Sometimes there's a lot to be said for analogue technology. :)
Rob
(batteries not included)
Tom,
Sure does. If you haven't tried the program I suggest you download it and
give it a try. Clean woks very well on my old HP PhotoSmart scanner.
Dale
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From: "Tom Christiansen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:28 AM
Lossless:
ie when you uncompress you get an exact of the original
TIF LZW - compression 5-20% for photo images
PNG - compression 10-40% for photo images
Note that PNG will always be smaller due to
a more efficient algorithm.
Original: 24532 Kb = 2500x3300@24bit
TIF LZW: 20336 Kb = 17%
"Austin Franklin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One other thing that just occurred to me: aren't there three
or four pixels on the CCD for each actual pixel seen in the image?
Yes. That is only for color information though, not for
edge information.
Except with the Nikon scanners that
Frank, I design ASICs, and have designed well over 100 of them, so I know
what I say IS true. What you say about scaling the die (pure geometry) IS
correct, and in fact is something I said in one of my posts. But that does
not make a different (smaller or larger) process give a higher yield,
While what you note may very well be true, I for one do not think that the
legal aspects per se are the obstacles to a paperless society or office; I
think it is more human nature and work habits, convenience, efficiencies in
effort, and personal trust that comprise the major obstacles among
In order to get the same information that film provides, you must get red,
green and blue information at each pixel (like the Fovian sp? digital
camera). Many other cameras interpolate for rgb. So depending on the
resolution you need and the bit depth, that will determine how many
megapixels you
Ok, I accept your argument. I really did not miss your point; I was just
working on a different set of arguments to which that point was not very
relevant. Yes, it is true that, if we quick freeze a state of affairs in
time, it will go through the changing time continuum unchanged and will
Art,
You have hit the nail on the head and even with Michael Wilkinson's hammer.
:-)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Arthur Entlich
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners: real value?
Vuescan did a better job, also lots more detail in the shadow areas. I would say
Vuescan did a better job on the scratches too but this only based on small web
images. Thanks for the comparison..
"Rob Geraghty" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I happened to try scanning an old (circa 1980) kodak 100
Ed However, I'd appreciate it if other people would do these comparisons and post
Ed their results.
Haven't played with 6.6 much, but just scanned a very dark old slide
with noticeble color shift ( Ls-30, 4+1 passes, Restore Colors ) and
noticed that colors used to fill scratches resemble ones
Michael Moore wrote.
Michael,
I respect your comment about HP assuming you meant the same oscilloscopes,
power supplies etc, that I also used. However HP's Computers, printers,
software and service FOR THOSE PRODUCTS, are just not in the same league.
Somehow I feel you would not
Hi,
Not exactly. GIF only allows 256 colours or 256 shades of grey. It uses
(I think) LZW compression internally so it is lossless as far as editing
is concerned but if you save a 24bit image to a GIF you *WILL* lose colour
data. GIFs are significantly smaller because you are going from 3
Eventually, through the use of bio-metrics, your electronic "signature"
will be as "good" and as unique as your fingerprint.
What you say may be true enough; but even that only guarentees the
authenticity of the signature and not the content of the document that the
signiture has been affixed
Ian,
I totally agree. HP has fallen victim to the same short term marketing mentality
that infects too many of today's manufacturers and service providers. That said,
I do think that their printers at least are much better made than Epson's...
What I would really like to see is the old HP
In a message dated 2/1/01 6:43:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 19:32 31-01-01 -1000, you wrote:
FWIW, the Feburary issue of Popular Photography has a rewiew of 10
Flatbeds, an
interesting article on CDROM Burners (particularly for those considering
purchasing
I resurrected the following text from a message on Genuine Fractals that I
received about 2 or 3 months ago. Sorry, but I forgot who on this list
originally sent it out.
"Genuine Fractals has no current place in web image preparation. It's only use
is for upscaling data to print large images.
Hi Dale,
Sure does. If you haven't tried the program I suggest you download it and
give it a try. Clean woks very well on my old HP PhotoSmart scanner.
I have bought a copy of the program. But I was a little more obsessed
getting the colors right with my scanner that turned out not to work
I have to admit to an ignorance on compressing files in gereral
I use LZW when Im storing on my server and have not bothered with other
methods simply because in my early digital days I was shown how badly
jpeg images are degraded .
I understand that JPEG 2000 is the new standard and should be
An original 54MB PSD file was compressed to the following:
29.5MB with TIF (LWZ compression)
21.8MB with GF ("Lossless compresion)
5.8MB with GF ("Virtually Lossless compression)
On the file I used to generate, I did not notice any significant differences
between any of the modes of compression
Robert Kehl writes ...
Does anyone have any experience with using Genuine Fractals
as a compression tool?
...
GF's "lossless" setting will compress to a file ~50% ... but it takes
forever to encode and decode (~1 minute per Mb per 300MhzCPU).
shAf :o)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
However, I'd
appreciate it if other people would do these comparisons and post
their results. I suspect there's still a lot more room for improvement
in this algorithm, even though it's already quite good.
I have created a webpage that has some examples using Vuescan 6.6
I own a Scan Elite... have been using it with Minolta's software to take the
16 bit linear scans into PShop wher I invert them...That seems to give me the
best tonal range with the Fuji Reala I shoot... Haven't really taken the time
to learn how to run Vuescan... would appreciate your comments on
At 12:54 1/02/2001 +, you wrote:
PNG is NOT lossy! It has better algorithm (sees
vertical pattern, while GIF sees horizontal only). PNG can do anything up
to at least 24 bit color, it uses different than LZW compression (due to
patent restrictions). Actually it
True electronic signature systems include three components -
non-repudiation, authentication, and no-change.
Like a pen signature, an electronic signature has to change the document not
sit beside the document.
-Original Message-
From: Laurie Solomon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:
Herm wrote:
Vuescan did a better job, also lots more detail in the shadow
areas. I would say Vuescan did a better job on the scratches
too but this only based on small web images. Thanks for the
comparison..
Overall the results from Vuescan were far more useful - mostly because of
the colour
I realize we all get a little OT at times, but this thing has gone on for DAYS
...
"Hornford, Dave" wrote:
True electronic signature systems include three components -
non-repudiation, authentication, and no-change.
Like a pen signature, an electronic signature has to change the document
I know that professional Video CCD cameras use (or at least did... I'm
somewhat out of touch today) separate chips for each of the two or three
colors (RGB) with some type of beam slipper (some used two and used
subtractive math to "figure out" the third, I believe). That allowed
for
I know that professional Video CCD cameras use (or at least
did... I'm
somewhat out of touch today) separate chips for each of the
two or three
colors (RGB) with some type of beam slipper (some used two and used
subtractive math to "figure out" the third, I believe).
The three CCD
Sturat this Black Widow stuff it is exactely the rip-off I had from HP.
Then ... if you want to try it ... I can send it to you for free !
It costed to me ... 3 years ago ... 1 month of pure and siny Italian cursing
.
This is quite enough for me ... I had to get on the knees on some peanuts
for 1
Sorry to hear that you broke your delete finger; hope it gets better soon.
:-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Moore
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 6:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Re: paperless office
What details? The articles appeared in the February, 2001 (currently on the
stands) issue of Popular Photography, pp 50-56 and 42-49 respectively.
Frank Paris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL
If we're going to have that attitude, let's start a thread about parrots! Or
at least photographing them...
Frank Paris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Laurie Solomon
While batch scanning a strip of negatives I made the mistake of
accidentally checking auto-scan and auto-eject at end of scan in Vuescan
rather than just auto eject, as I meant to do. This led to the program
looping through the all 6 frames a second time. When I realized what
happened I hit abort
Test - please ignore (I seem to have been removed from the list for 24hrs!)
Regards
Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio exhibit; + film scanner info
comparisons
Come on Frank lighten up and smell the roses. My comment was
tongue-in-cheek with a smiley face to boot; it was not an instance of coping
an attitude. The thread, despite the length of time that some may think it
has lasted, has existed for only two days. It started on 1/29/01 and has
had a
Tony writes ...
Test - please ignore (I seem to have been removed from the list for
24hrs!)
Just enough time for Ed to go from Vuescan 6.5 to 6.6 :o)
shAf
I would have to do more research on this. A well informed friend told me
about it at work. I do believe that it is now part of the U.S. Code,
though.
Spencer Stone
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hersch Nitikman
Sent: Wednesday,
In a message dated 2/1/2001 11:17:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
. My comment was
tongue-in-cheek with a smiley face to boot; it was not an instance of coping
an attitude.
Amen
I work for the government. I am not that old. I keep hard copies of
*everything*. ;)
Spencer Stone
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Laurie Solomon
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 6:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE:
I've just been reading some Nikon literature about their new scanners, and
I have some questions about the terminology. The ad states that the
coolscan IV ED yeilds 48 bit images (48 bits per pixel?). Later, it
states that the scanner has a color bit depth of 24 or 36 bits. What does
this
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