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change my mind was cost.
I still believe that in it's price bracket, the SS4000 is the
best scanner I know of on the market. Unfortunately, we can't
all afford it.
Rob
(buttering up? No, just stating the facts as I see them)
Rob Gerag
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The raw data won't have *any* colour adjustments, so it's bound to
look ugly and be difficult to adjust - especially if it's a scan
of a colour neg.
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Mc7 on its own.
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Can someone please post the URL of the Group Scan site.
http://home.att.net/~arwbackup/
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Farzan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a statistician, I must agree with David. Really, this is a futile
exercise and drawing conclusions based on it would be a mistake.
Oh, come on. If that's the only "right" attitude we might as
well all unsubscribe from the mailing list because any
sirius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doing testing by scanning just any peoples slide doesnt make any sense and
makes the tests in my opinion pretty worthless.
The point of scanning other people's slides was to scan a slide which was
causing
problems on one scanner to see if the same problems
Ed wrote:
Does the Canoscan FS2710 have ICE??
No.
If so, was it Nikon technology?
No, it was licensed to Nikon by the company that wrote it.
Is it the same in every scanner? Meaning if a scanner has
ICE, is it universal in what it does?
If it *is* ICE(tm), yes. But various scanners
Tony Sleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[lots of stuff snipped]
5yrs later I'm still ignorant, but at least I know I am ignorant. Did
anyone even look at these samples or wonder why the hell they were so
different when the protocol said they should be the same? Did anyone
play around with them
Clark Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact, I couldn't seem to get Viewscan to alter the exposure at all
using
the Options-Exposure adjustment. With auto exposure enabled, I get a
number
of something like 7.3 in the exposure box. If I disable the auto exposure
and put in a number like 15 I
Lynn Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AH-HA!! I suspected as much! No USB might upset a few new Mac users,
though--Pleasing everybody is Hard Work.
There's USB-SCSI converters aren't there?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I spent a few hours analyzing all the raw data I have from Q60
scans, and it looks like this grainy/sandy/aliased pattern is present
in all film scanners, regardless of the model.
Thanks Ed! It's cool to have someone able to try scanning the same
image on a bunch of
James L. Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With a film target there is very likely a limiting resolution of 50 to
60 line pairs/millimeter (2540 to 3048 ppi). Resolution should
be measured at high contrast using an etched glass plate at
some known spatial frequency and line width. I believe it
Roman Kielich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All modern films have a multilayer construction, each R, G, B - sensitive
layer consists of 2 or 3 layers of different speed (grain size). The
bigger
the grain, the bigger the speed. If you underexpose a film, you record an
image in more sensitive layer,
Bruce Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I've seen this site as well. Shocking images, true, but I haven't
seen
the problem myself.
The effect was a lot more mild than I expected. From the noises being made
on the inkjet list, it sounded like the end of the world - but then if I had
sold a
Gordon Tassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a little off thread because it it switches from dye to pigment
inks.
Have any of you who use 3rd party or Epson's new pigmented inks seen
a shift in colors after a relatively short time.
I've seen no shift in Generations inks at all. There's
Comments please - off the list!
I am posting this protocol to the list in general so that people more
knowledgeable than I can comment. Please direct comments to
me *directly*. Please do NOT make this into a list thread. I would
much rather iron out the bugs off the list than to take up
Laurie Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well Rob, I hope you realize what you have just done. You have complained
about the rehashing of the issue on the Epson-inkjet list (both on this
list
and on that list) while going ahead and rehashing the very beginnings of
the
Epson thread on this
There is a company in Rochester NY called, I think, Advanced Imaging. They
do these types of targets and are the supplier to Edmunds Scientific.
Thanks, David. I'll note that for later reference. I was suggesting the
use of the
film recorder since I have access to one and while it might not
1 inch = 25.4mm or 0.0254m
2700dpi = 0.0254/2700 = 0.0941m = 9.4 um per pixel
4000dpi = 0.0254/4000 = 0.0635m = 6.4 um per pixel
Roman Kielich wrote:
According to Fuji- diffuse rms granularity of Velvia RVP is 9, Provia
RDPII 10,
Sensia II (RA) 10, Astia RAP 10, Fujichrome MS at EI 100
to preserve bandwidth.
Reminder - at this point only people with LS30 or
LS2000 scanners please! You'll need Vuescan 6.1
as well.
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film types.
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soften.
OK, that's useful info. Still, I'll give it a try with several
different test images and see what happens. The point is more
to have a consistent test image to work from than to have
something from which scientifically valid resolution tests can
be gleaned.
Rob
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Tony wrote:
4096 lines means it writes 4096 lines, not that it resolves
4096 lines, and it tells you nothing about how the MTF is
degraded by diffusion 'spread' of the CRT image.
True, but it ought to be significantly more than 2700dpi.
Anyway, I'll try it and see what happens.
Rob
Rob
Tony wrote:
The only grains which you can rely on not to cause aliasing are those
whose dimensions are at least 2x pixel size (Nyquist)
Can someone provide a clear explanation of how the nyquist rule applies to
a two dimensional image? I think that would help to explain a lot about the
is never really black and small details fuzz out.
Does anyone have the means to edit the USAF target PDF to change the background
colour? Maybe make it blue and the lines white instead?
Rob
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open to us", and that's what I want to
do.
The issues are useful to know, however. Thanks!
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shAf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(1) The color spaces you mention are generally applicable color
spaces ... that is, they are device (or media) "independent" color
space profiles. For these spaces, you only need concern yourself with
if they can enclose the gamut of your film ... or more
Bruce Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nikon specifically say *not* to use ICE on Kodachrome slides in the
NikonScan reference manual. I assume this would apply to VueScan for the
same reasons (regardless of what they are).
As with silver based BW films, ICE will probably fail because the
shAf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW ... I use a LS-2000 ... and I have no idea if these features are
available if the software detects a LS-30 ... or even if your scanner
comes with the "feeder" adapter(?)
AFAIK the only missing settings are the single pass multiscanning
and the high bit
Roger Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rob, I may have at least part of the answer. I looked at 3 films
under a 400x microscope - Kodak Gold 100, Fuji Provia F,
and Kodak Elite Chrome 100. It was hard to find areas of
comparable colour and density
What was on the pieces of film you were
Could you please tell me your best tips (according to scan quality) of the
slide and negative films. What do you think what is better
in the fast range (400) slide film or negative ?
Tom, I'm just starting an exercise to try to determine which films look
best when scanned. What film scanner
=shAf= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One can wonder if comparisons can be made, but I use a LS-2000
with a PII/350 ... and an Adaptec 2940U2W controller and two Seagate
LVD drives, and have never seen a hint of this problem.
I'd say that your hard drives help a *great* deal. Once I get my
Mikkel Høj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just out of sheer interest; is it also this quality of film recorders
that is used in the motion picture industry?
This subject came up once before, and someone said that the recorders used
for motion picture work were actually lower in resolution - 2048
I guess people with *lots* of money to spend on gear have a new bypass for
scanning;
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/pressReleases/pr2919-33.shtml
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Richard Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been using an HP6200C (now 2 yrs old) for profiling with Matchlock.
Now that VueScan supports this (USB) scanner, I can bypass HP software
entirely.
I tried Wiziwyg with a scan from the HP Scanjet IIIc using Vuescan. It
didn't work. The
with 3rd party pigment
based inks. With OEM 4 colour inks, prints from the 1160 will probably last
very well anyway. It's too early to know what the longevity of 2000P prints
is like, but theoretically it should be excellent.
Rob
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I've fixed the links to the PNG files. Clicking on one of the jpeg files
will allow you to download the corresponding PNG.
I also just found out that one of my brothers has access to a microscope
with a camera, so I may be able to add photomicrographs of the same film
frames I've scanned.
Rob
on a $750 Mobo with onboard SCSI. :-P
(and no I still haven't risked it)
Obscanning (kind of): Looks like I have to buy dataptec easy CD deluxe to
get packet writing. Packet writing would make backing up scan a lot simpler.
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Go to www.scannerplace.com.au
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n make out, it's impossible to convert accurately from RGB
to CMYK without a profile for the CMYK printer - and even then the process
seems to be appallingly complicated.
At some point, any RGB file has to be converted to CMYK to print it - at
home, my printer driver does it for me! :)
FWIW,
Rob
Ro
on the
right track in thinking that what is required is a profile for the CMYK
device before adjusting the colours in CMYK is advisable?
From what i've read here and elsewhere there's no simple answer to this
issue.
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the Epson 1200U. I'd be interested to hear if this is a generic problem
with the scanners.
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colour, etc.
You could check out the info on Adobe's web site in their support files
for their products. There's a lot of useful information there.
http://www.adobe.com
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slides at a time and do it as a batch using
a special holder. It also scans reflectives and transpanrecies up to A3.
They might be worth checking out.
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Photoscientia wrote:
This chrome has resolution bars down to 2 microns on it, the equivalent
of 250 lppm!
Any chance the same slide could be scanned on an LS30 and/or a SS400?
Rob
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and support
from polaroid seems excellent - they even listen to feedback from this list.
Just because Nikon makes great cameras it doesn't mean they're the only
choice in scanners - and that's coming from someone who owns a Nikon LS30.
Rob
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/Device not Scan/Memory
to see the effect of changes in the Brightness control.
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ILyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its the same darned scanner. I use the SAME scanner on PC and Mac platform
I
use the SAME scanner with NikonScan, SilverFast and VueScan. The ONLY time
jaggies EVER occur is with NikonScan when CMS is ON.
Ian, I've had jaggies with CMS off. It's not purely
photoscientia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Their fix was ingenious. More a stroke of inspiration than a logical
engineering solution.
They fire a reverse pulse of very short duration into the motor at the end
of every step.
This acts as electronic damping, and it's very controllable.
Maybe Ed
ILyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, you need a Mac, which doesn't suffer the problem, even if CMS in On.
Or
you need for Nikon to use the same scsi timing as the Mac and then the PC
wouldn't suffer the problem when CMS is turned ON.
[snip]
The problem has Sweet FA to do with resonance, if it
Roman Kielich® [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
64K blocks that are causing the resonance that results in jaggies. My
guess
in your case was that switching on colour mangement increased the
computer's
CPU overhead to the point that the actual scanning process was slowed
down.
if it is CPU problem,
ILyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
of say 1000Mhz. Sorry, but the CPU overhead theory dies a death as soon as
someone with a 200 Pentium using ICE says they don't have the problem and
someone with the faster CPU does.
That depends on what else might be occupying the CPU - as in my case, the
IDE
Bob Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm in Bucks, UK and have an LS30. If Pete wants to mail me off list, we
may be able to arrange this.
Excellent, Bob!
I think you'd need to email Pete with your snail address. If possible, I'd
like a raw scan of a section which shows the finest
I finally got my hard drive working in UDMA66 under Win98SE!
Now loading 27MB film scans won't be anywhere near as painful as the same
drive in compatibility mode. :)
I used a Promise IDE/100 card to sidestep the problem. :)
Just in case anyone has had a similar issue...
Rob
be 4000dpi. I always scan with my Nikon LS30
set to 2700dpi.
Rob
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, not "real" detail.
Rob
PS IMO this *is* film scanner related since a lot of people have been asking
about dpi settings especially related to printing.
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shAf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is a mystery to me why the Epson manuals do not provide this
information
I think one of the manuals that came with my Stylus 700 does say that 240dpi
is the best option when calculating the resolution to print at, but I would
have
to dig them out to check!
I
or a newer higher resolution printer, so the more dpi from the film the
better.
I do NOT think the LS2000 is a good buy given that the SS4000 is about the
same price. If you only need 2700dpi then the LS30 is great.
Rob
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the drive back anyway since it has developed some
bad sectors, so we shall see what happens when I get the replacement. When
I try it again I'll also disable the motherboard's onboard IDE since it
is probably contributing to the faults.
Have a great weekend everyone!
Rob
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Gordon Tassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Art: You forgot to mention the Nikon LS-30. It will provide a somewhat
lower
cost than the LS-2000, yet has ICE. It can also do multiscanning with
Vuescan.
And with Vuescan it is able to output 10bits per channel while Nikonscan
limits it to 8.
As has
[stuff about science vs art vs religion snipped]
Guys, I did an entire university year on theories of science, but this is a
list about film scanners.
Rob
(and I'll try not to pursue threads about printing either! ;)
Geoff wrote:
I'm not sure how labs manage to scratch negs so badly!
Ever watched how they throw them around before they sleeve them?
Rob
) using bicubic resampling.
2, since option 1 gives the resmpling algorithm more data to work with,
and makes the relatioships between pixels more accurate.
Rob
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!
One lab had me convinced my camera was scratching the film - until I shot
a roll of BW and prcesed it myself. Bingo! No scratches...
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r the name
of the park as well), and provide thumbnails without the CD being loaded.
I've seen ACDsee mentioned before but it just seems to be a browser, not
a searchable database per se.
Any ideas?
Rob
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Roman Kielich® [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if it is not visible, then it is not light. We call it radiation -
infrared, ultraviolet, gamma, etc. Only light is visible, by definition.
Not to be too picky here, but infra-red and ultraviolet radiation are often
called "light". :)
Rob
quicksilver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Price is important but not the only consideration. I expect that
$500-1000 is my price range.
If you can, I'd go for the Polaroid SS4000, otherwise the Nikon LS30 or
Minolta Scan Dual II.
Rob
Geoff Stafford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thumbsplus 4.10 seems to have the facilities you are after [snip]
continuously with TP saving each file straight to disc. However the
software is only 24 bit.
Does this mean it only reads 24 bit files? Or that it can only save 24bit
files? That could
Ingemar wrote:
I just joined the list. Give me one good reason to stay on!
Agreed. Amusing though the off topic threads can be, we really need to try
to take them off the list.
Rob
(at least the stuff about Epson printers was vaguely related to scanning!)
I've tried a couple of the programs which have been suggested and here are
some comments which I hope may be of help to others. I wouldn't use Jasc
Media Center or Armadillo Photo, but they may be useful for others. Thanks
for everyone's suggestions so far!
1. Jasc Media Center Plus 3
o
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the 1160 with colour 3rd party inks that are pigment based
as well - and the 1160 is a LOT cheaper than the 2000P.
Rob
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Hornford, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no upgrade from LE to full PhotoShop.
There most certainly is - IF you live in North America. Check the Adobe
home page at www.adobe.com
The bad news is that it's NOT $199 as mentioned previously - it's more.
Rob
use Lyson inks with a continuous ink system. I don't know if the Cone system
requires a particular CIS - I think it's just a replacement driver program
and inkset.
Rob
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GIMP - it might give me a reason to keep my
second hard drive and install Linux on it. But only if I can find a driver
for the Stylus 700 and an X engine for the TNT2 card.
Is Vuescan the only scanner interface in Linux for TWAIN devices like the
HP scanjet and Nikon film scanner?
Rob
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that can be cleaned).
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or some similar tool?
Rob
(who obviously needs a better paid job so he'll quit whining about software
prices and exchange rates... maybe work in the USA?)
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to
get the most out of my scanner and printer...
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the lab and they said that the kodak
slide film had a tendency to hold the chemistry in the sprockets which then
created these rings when it dried. Apparently Fuji film doesn't do this!
The rings were awkward to remove when scanning.
Rob
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Ezio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Photoshop and other I/O bound applications receive a great help in
speeding
up from I/O ... MORE than upgrading the clock of the CPU.
Anyone wanting more IO speed at a reasonable price might want to think about
an IDE array. Promise make an IDE RAID card - check
h for what and whom?
Rob
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- but for for those of us with less money and less than perfect
operating conditions, an IDE array gets results which are greatly improved
over normal IDE for quite a low price.
Rob
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but since buying the film scanner it's getting annoying!
Tony, I hope this isn't OT - I find the speed of loading and saving scans
one of the most annoying aspects of using the film scanner.
Rob
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Rick Trankle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where does one get a piece of ND filter? Does this refer to NEUTRAL
DENSITY (ND) FILTER? Will a piece of lighting gel do?
If you just want film without colour, wouldn't a silver based BW film work?
Rob
tioned IDE
RAID arrays elsewhere).
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scanned? If it is of importance, it sounds
like you need to shoot another roll of film to get the exposure right -
then try the LS30 with both Nikonscan and Vuescan.
Which version of Nikonscan are you using? Is the autofocus enabled?
Rob
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Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find it hard to understand why people insist on using slide film for
studio work.
Because you can colour match from the original, and they scan a whole lot
better than negs.
Many publishers still insist on transparencies.
Rob
looks fine as a photographic print is really
hard to get to look as good as a scan. Slides are much simpler to work
with, at least in my experience with the LS30.
Rob
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for whatever purpose *you* need, and see which
works best for you.
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Theo Heindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perfection 1640 Photo is on my short list for quite a wile but have been
wondering about the stated resolution (1600x3200). I need a scanner
which does 35 mm slides negatives (my hobby) and microfiche to scan
store my spar parts on the PC (for bussiness)
Roman Kielich® [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
negs and slides are very alike. Both use silver halides, and multiple
layer
design (2-3 layers for one band, varied speed). Even films like Astia
100 -
3 yellow, 3 magenta, 3 cyan, plus auxiliary. This is a common concept.
Sure, but I was thinking of
or any other Nikon scanner.
Rob
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it is compressed? Wouldn't the least significant
bits be the dark areas in slides and beyond the brightest parts of negs?
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Tony Sleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, probably a factor. Another possibility is the limited bit depth of
the
LS30. This would be more of an issue on negs than slides due to the
compressed
range of negatives.
It should be the opposite.
Agreed!!!
Rob
Pete wrote:
Anyway, this is definitely NOT the way that the human eye works.
I don't think anyone has made a biological light sensor for colour
calibration. :)
The human eye has only 3 colour sensors, with nearly 100%
overlap in their spectral responses.
I'm reasonably certain this is
Julian Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't been in the loop on this, but Rob's preference for slides over
negs on his LS30 surprises me - I get satisfying negative scans now out of
my Nikon scanner but still have trouble with slides.
From what you write later, it sounds like you
Tony Sleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suspect that much of the problem is the LS30 sensitivity to film grain,
which may be
producing a lot of aliasing 'noise' with some neg films.
Speaking of which, did anyone try Kodak Supra 100 or 400? How does it
compare with Fuji 100?
Rob
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