Re: [Finale] syllabification

2004-04-11 Thread John Howell
At 7:03 PM -0700 4/10/04, Mark D Lew wrote: On Apr 10, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: I'm working on a choir piece based on Psalm 23. I'm having trouble finding the correct syllabification of some of the King James English words like maketh, leadeth, restoreth, preparest all those -eth -est

Re: [Finale] syllabification

2004-04-11 Thread John Howell
At 2:48 PM -0700 4/11/04, Mark D Lew wrote: On Apr 11, 2004, at 1:10 PM, John Howell wrote: I should also point out that Mark's suggestion makes reading the words much quicker and intuitive. But of course a singer isn't going to actually pronounce them that way. Tacking the consonant onto

[Finale] RE: How do I do this?

2004-04-06 Thread John Howell
At 4:44 PM -0700 4/5/04, Ryan Beard wrote: You're really prepared to write a part with 8, 9, or 10 sharps in the key signature? I realize this is an extreme example. Just curious where you draw the line. For most well-trained, experienced musicians, confusion starts to set in with the first

Re: [Finale] TAN: Rave Act protest scheduled

2004-04-02 Thread John Howell
At 1:59 PM -0500 4/2/04, Andrew Stiller wrote: I have received the following communication from the Drug Policy Alliance, wh. may be of interest to US Finale listers: Congress is considering legislation that would hold bands, DJs, bartenders, promoters, venue owners, radio stations and others

Re: [Finale] Kyle Gann's Articles on Sibelius

2004-03-25 Thread John Howell
At 8:19 PM +0100 3/24/04, Daniel Wolf wrote: However, if we want the delayed tuplet notation, or a metre in which denominator is anything other than a power-of-two, then we are probably limited to Score or Music Press, programs that are essentially for graphics, or using Finale as a graphics

[Finale] Inquiry from a middle school teacher

2004-03-19 Thread John Howell
With Scott's permission, I'm passing his question on to the knowledgeable folks on this list. Please reply directly to him (address below). Thanks for any help you can provide. Sounds like his tech coordinator is sold on OSS/FS based on his experience with office programs. Obviously for a

Re: [Finale] Adjusting speed of a string portamento

2004-03-18 Thread John Howell
At 11:55 AM -0500 3/18/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far I have been unsuccessful in adjusting the speed and accurate placement of a string portamento in human playback (Finale 2004 Windows. The effect I want is a very quick slide...the same effect as shifting position. I want to go from B to

Re: [Finale] Italian

2004-03-18 Thread John Howell
At 9:33 PM +0100 3/18/04, d. collins wrote: Can mai count as two syllables in Italian? I have a 17th century print that seems to give it two notes. Thanks, Dennis I believe that each vowel gets its own note, unlike languages like English which are full of diphthongs and triphthons. You often

Re: [Finale] Getting a barline at the start of ech line

2004-03-16 Thread John Howell
At 11:23 AM +1100 3/14/04, Rocky Road wrote: I have a single treble clef stave and and each line starts open ended. I have gone into the measure attributes and chosen normal for the left barline, but it doesn't show. How can I get each stave to start with a barline on the left (to the left of

Re: [Finale] Feature Request: Tabbed windows

2004-03-16 Thread John Howell
At 3:10 PM -0500 3/15/04, Darcy James Argue wrote: Eric, The two are not mutually exclusive. I believe some linkage between score and parts is eventually coming, but I'm pretty sure it's a difficult problem to solve and is probably several years off, still. In the meanwhile, tabs would at

Re: [Finale] TAN: Is mp a redundant dynamic?

2004-03-13 Thread John Howell
At 3:00 PM + 3/13/04, Colin Broom wrote: I've spoken to a number of musicians recently, including a noted orchestral conductor, and several composers who all seem to feel that the dynamic 'mezzo piano' is basically a meaningless dynamic, and they think it should never be used. I've even heard

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-06 Thread John Howell
At 9:37 PM -0500 3/5/04, Crystal Premo wrote: The piece I'm talking about specifically today is More from Dick Tracy. This is a piece with no guitar chords. It started out in Eb, and taking it down a minor third (which is what women usually want) by putting it in C# left only one double

Re: [Finale]

2004-03-05 Thread John Howell
Could the listma take care of admonishing or unsubscribing this spamming idiot so we don't all have to do it individually? John At 12:18 AM +0100 3/2/04, WEDELMUSIC wrote: Sorry for any multiple reception of this message. If you do not want to receive further information about WEDELMUSIC 2004,

Re: [Finale] Instrumentation Description Criteria

2004-03-05 Thread John Howell
At 12:46 PM +0100 3/5/04, Giovanni Andreani wrote: Hello, I would like to here what you think about this: I'm updating a database which contains instrumentation description and got to decide the most suitable criteria (regarding the linguistic aspect) for instrument's composite names. Which,

[Finale] Re:WEDELMUSIC

2004-03-05 Thread John Howell
At 12:33 PM -0600 3/5/04, Henry Howey wrote: You have no one to blame but your friendly list-owner. This was caught in the SPAM filter, and I allowed it as Nesi has an interesting product that needs some REAL input to make it work. If his work pans out, publishing will never be the same.

Re: [Finale] Punctuation and Word Extensions

2004-03-04 Thread John Howell
At 4:33 PM +0100 2/27/04, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I don't often work with lyrics, so forgive me if this is common knowledge: Is there a way (in 2k4) to have punctuation (ie colon, comma or semi-colon) to appear at the end of the word extension line? Thanks, Johannes Even if there is, I would

Re: [Finale] Re: Horns and signatures

2004-02-27 Thread John Howell
At 4:26 PM -0600 2/22/04, Robert Patterson wrote: The second is (and this is crucial): repeat the current key signature at the beginning of every line. I don't care if this is not customary for the genre (e.g., a jazz chart). If you are writing for a horn player or any other player whose

Re: [Finale] Re: Horns and signatures

2004-02-27 Thread John Howell
At 6:06 PM +0100 2/23/04, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.02.2004 17:21 Uhr, John Howell wrote Berlioz specifically recommended using 2 pairs of horns in 2 different keys so you could write more different notes by trading off horns. (And this is also the beginning of the tradition of having

Re: [Finale] Re: Horns staves

2004-02-26 Thread John Howell
At 11:46 PM -0500 2/25/04, Raymond Horton wrote: Are you sure about that Berlioz statement? Or was that just the infamous two-horns-blown-with-bells-held-tightly-together-to-produce-a-note-not-possi ble-any-other-way effect that Berlioz wrote about (and I've never yet seen two players brave

Re: [Finale] Re: Horns staves

2004-02-25 Thread John Howell
passage and lasted only a few pages. I don't ask you to accept my word for it. I ask you to look for yourself. John Howell wrote: I doubt that, Robert, with all respect. It's pretty standard in 19th century orchestral scores, although during the 20th century your way became standard for band

Re: [Finale] Re: Horns staves

2004-02-25 Thread John Howell
At 3:48 PM + 2/25/04, Robert Patterson wrote: The second is, under no circumstances supply parts that double up with 1/3 on a part and 2/4 on a part. Doing so gains you instant disrespect from the horn section. And you risk losing your 2nd and 3rd parts entirely, depending on the amount of

Re: [Finale] Re: Horns staves

2004-02-25 Thread John Howell
Tim Cates: what I was taught in an orchestration class was that the interlocked parts had more to do with the physics of having the close harmony in the player sitting next to you There's something to that. In fact, Berlioz recommended (speaking of valveless horns, of course) that the players

Re: [Finale] Re: Horns staves

2004-02-24 Thread John Howell
At 12:19 PM -0600 2/23/04, Robert Patterson wrote: The best I can tell, the *only* reason the horn parts are ever routinely scored 1/3, 2/4 is due to misinformation in the Walter Piston orchestration book that was followed as gospel by a generation of composers and their students. I doubt that,

Re: [Finale] Hyphen under rest?

2004-02-23 Thread John Howell
At 6:18 PM +0100 2/22/04, d. collins wrote: I have a word that begins with a melisma on the first syllable, followed by a rest before the second syllable. The hyphens continue to run under the rest. Is that how things should be, or should the hyphens stop after the last note, before the rest?

Re: [Finale] Re: Horns and signatures

2004-02-23 Thread John Howell
At 4:53 PM +0200 2/23/04, Mr. Liudas Motekaitis wrote: This is an interesting discussion, but can somebody please provide a bit of background as to why there exists literature in which only the horn parts would be written without a key signature? Liudas Coming to this thread late, after

RE: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread John Howell
Lee Actor wrote: For parts, the only reason I can imagine for not making them as booklets with staples down the middle, is if they are too long to be practical in that form (opera?). A 32-page part printed on 28 lb. paper is quite doable in booklet form. For anything bigger I would use wire

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread John Howell
This may be a stupid question, but when creating center-stapled parts, what do you do when you have a single middle page, like for instance in a five-page or six-page part? Since it can't be stapled, how do you attach it? Do you just leave it loose? Do you only create parts that are

Re: [Finale] TAN Being prescriptive

2003-10-07 Thread John Howell
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz and I appear to agree on the following points ... I did not suggest notation provides everything. But the information it *does* provide (such as 8va, which is the genesis of this discussion) needs to be used. Music has evolved dramatically in the past century and, as we've

Re: [Finale] Being prescriptive.

2003-10-07 Thread John Howell
Michael Edwards: It seems to me that some of the debate here is arising from what I would see as a false assumption: that you have an all-or-nothing situation where *either* you have total precision of notation, and performers are obliged to follow it absolutely, in robotic fashion; *or* you

Re: [Finale] A practical question about prolation

2003-10-07 Thread John Howell
Noel Stoutenburg: I want to transcribe a late Renaissance choral piece for small brass ensemble of advanced beginner to early intermediate level. This piece starts with duple prolation and continues that way for about half the piece, at which oint it changes to triple prolation for about a

Re: [Finale] OT: Percussion boxes

2003-10-07 Thread John Howell
Hi all, I am looking for a good source for the kind of boxes that percussionists use to transport mallets and some instruments -- reinforced black cardboard (or sturdier), with straps to keep it closed and a carrying handle. Does anybody know of any good places on the web to look for these?

[Finale] Robert Dorough info?

2003-10-07 Thread John Howell
This is a long shot, but does anyone know anything about Robert Dorough, who was commissioned to compose Eons Ago Blue for recorder quartet in jazz style for the 1962 recording, Sweet Pipes, by Bernard Krainis and the Krainis Consort. I'm preparing it for a concert, and need at least his

Re: [Finale] TAN: Extension ranges on ... Bass Clarinet

2003-10-05 Thread John Howell
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz writes: My comments are not about either perfection or 'strict adherence to the printed score', they're about playing -- or being committed to play -- what's written down without excuses or slovenliness, and for the conductor to (a) notice and (b) point it out. [snip] It's

Re: [Finale] TAN: Extension ranges on ... Bass Clarinet

2003-10-03 Thread John Howell
Ray Horton wrote: Hey! Don't shoot the messenger! I've seen it happen, that's all. I've seen 8va markings for extreme ranges ignored, occasionally, sometimes accidentally, sometimes on purpose. They seem to be taken less seriously, sometimes, by some players, then are leger lines. I have to

Re: [Finale] Beam

2003-10-02 Thread John Howell
Hi! How can I do to make this looking nicer? I have different lengths on beams depending on what note that's there. Also I can't get any of music spacing work nice. I just simply want's all notes be just the same distance, not like the to last eight notes into the bar line. Is there an automatic

Re: [Finale] TAN: Extension ranges on ... Bass Clarinet

2003-09-30 Thread John Howell
On the senza misura question, I know from personal experience that many performers want to know exactly when to play, and don't do well with approximate rhythmic notation. But as soon as one makes the notation more specific, then the freeness is hopelessly lost. Tim I do some of my

Re: [Finale] TAN: Extension ranges on ... Bass Clarinet

2003-09-30 Thread John Howell
On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Daniel Dorff wrote (in part): A flutist associates high high C above the 5th line with a certain fingering and seeing that note up there sets up automatic muscle memory in fingers and embouchure that isn't true for the visual experience of the C on

Re: [Finale] TAN: leger lines (was: Extension ranges on ... Bass Clarinet)

2003-09-30 Thread John Howell
Robert Patterson wrote: I, too, have heard that many instrumentalists (specifically violinists) prefer leger lines to 8va symbols. I can accept this up to 5-leger-line (and a half) c4. Do players really prefer leger lines even higher? I don't feel strongly about this, but yes, I think we do.

RE: [Finale] Nukey-ler mus-kulls

2003-09-16 Thread John Howell
However, I also say TROMbone sometimes, even though I play one, and also every now and then, UMbrella, both of which induce spousal laughter. Maybe millions DO say TROMbone, and we should call your daughter on that one. But in any case, she should continue to laugh at robutt without a doubt. Stu

Re: [Finale] examination copies

2003-09-14 Thread John Howell
At 04:19 PM 9/13/2003, Andrew Stiller wrote: A question for publishers: What is your policy when a conductor asks for an examination copy of a score? b) hand it over, but nag for its return or purchase after a month or two. I'd appreciate conductors' thoughts on this, too. Okay -- I've seen

Re: [Finale] Score Order

2003-09-07 Thread John Howell
What is the correct order for this group? Also, what is a good general range for a mezzo-soprano? If you're writing for a specific singer, ask her! And avoid the trap of typical or general ranges for voice types. If it's generic, I wouldn't go higher than G2 or lower than small a, but more

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2003-08-30 Thread John Howell
OK, you're notating a blues in D -- that's D mixolydian. What's your key signature, the standard 2 sharps with an accidental for every C, or 1 sharp to reflect the mode? Don't know any rule (I never do!), but I'd use 2 sharps because 1 sharp implies a tonic on G and would introduce confusion.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread John Howell
On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003, at 21:40 Europe/London, Mark D Lew wrote: That's approximately how I feel about academic discounts. I understand the software company's motivation for offering them, of course, but it still ticks me off to know that kids who are living off their parents and/or

Re: [Finale] Slurs and accents

2003-08-20 Thread John Howell
Situation: two-part choral line, written in four16ths and an eighth, stems down, each with an accent above it. A slur is necessary, due to all the notes being over just one word. Using only one slur on the beam side is not an option. How would you draw the slur with respect to the presence of

Re: [Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread John Howell
A co-worker insists that a deejay is a musician. I say that is a load, that at most he is perhaps an editer or producer. Can a legitimate case be made in his defense? Absolutelyl not! He does not create or recreate music, he uses other people's music. And for the anal, the true test is

Re: [Finale] It's here -- Finale 2004!

2003-08-14 Thread John Howell
Let the discussion commence! Best, -WR Well, I pointed out a year ago the our music department dropped Finale because last year's Freshman class arrived with OS X computers. And once again, the marketing department seems determined to ignore the educational market that should be so important

Re: [Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread John Howell
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 04:27 PM, John Howell wrote: A co-worker insists that a deejay is a musician. I say that is a load, that at most he is perhaps an editer or producer. Can a legitimate case be made in his defense? Absolutelyl not! He does not create or recreate music, he uses

Re: [Finale] Ted Ross reprint]

2003-08-14 Thread John Howell
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 05:48 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: And, quite related to our field, the Berlioz/Strauss Treatise on Instrumentation. Isn't that the one reprinted by Dover? If it's what I'm thinking of, it's published with big pages, so that it looks just like one of their

Re: [Finale] Strategy for scores

2003-08-14 Thread John Howell
Craig wrote: So far so good. Right now I'm working on an orchestration for full symphony orchestra + jazz combo + several other instruments not normally in an orchestral score. I set this up as usual, with each instrument having its own staff. I did that so I could easily do an extraction

Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only

2003-08-14 Thread John Howell
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: In addition, I'm serious about doubting markings. If a chart shows up with unusual registers, articulations, or instructions, one tends to pay a little closer attention to them. If something is patently illogical or unplayable, then that throws everything else into

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004

2003-08-06 Thread John Howell
Wouldn'd it have been great if the Finale 2004 advertisement on MakeMusic's website could be made so they can be viewed by a macintosh computer. All the sound samples with soundfonts and musical playback are not compatible with macs. They have a particular talent for annoying mac people, have

Re: [Finale] TAN: Library management

2003-08-04 Thread John Howell
I won't even get started on the copyright implications of this exchange, except to note that they are there. John At 5:55 PM -0400 8/03/03, Eden - Lawrence D. wrote: May I call on the collective wisdom of you all? My brass quintet has stayed active since 1978. Our library of tunes has grown

Re: [Finale] Bowing in orch parts

2003-08-03 Thread John Howell
David Froom asked: Now that I am revising, and making a new set of parts, I am wondering if I should include the bowings in the parts? I have never done this, knowing that section leaders will do a better job than I would. However, since I have a nice set of bowings, should I include these in

Re: [Finale] Copyright for the engraving

2003-07-13 Thread John Howell
I'm afraid, David, that in the real world any secretary who claimed such a right would be in the unemployment office the next day. A secretary is hired to do a job involving a range of services, probably with a job description that may or may not accurately reflect his/her actual duties, and

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-13 Thread John Howell
Richard Huggins wrote: Well, actually...if the song is a copyrighted song an arrangement of it cannot be copyrighted by anyone other than the owner of the copyright. Not quite true, as far as I know. The copyright owner may, indeed grant permission to the arranger to copyright the arrangement

Re: [Finale] Copyright for the engraving

2003-07-12 Thread John Howell
Johannes Gebauer wrote: This is a question which may be one of opinion more than of law, but I am still curious as to what other people think: When I do a contracted job where I engrave something for a publisher, how much do I own of it? I think most would probably agree that if I engrave with my

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread John Howell
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Really, I don't think any publisher cares if some band director makes his own arrangement to play with his own band. In fact, since any additional performance of a work makes them more money through performance rights, they LIKE people making arrangements. Just two

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread John Howell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is sometimes difficult to find out who the copyright owner is. When you come right down to it, it's the copyright owner's responsibility to provide that specific information at least in the form of a copyright notice. No, it's not legally required since January 1,

Re: [Finale] Pedal markings

2003-07-12 Thread John Howell
Michael Edwards wrote, as part of a well-presented opinion: I use pedalling to a degree of precision that I feel will exclude those styles of pedalling that I don't consider suit the type of music I'm writing. I would probably count proper pedalling on piano as being in a category along

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-11 Thread John Howell
Tom Jordan wrote: What are publishers doing to address the creation of parts to match student band personnel? Depends entirely on the publisher. But if you have a particular situation, you can always call or write for permission to do what you need to do, given that you do own

Re: [Finale] Bowed string instrument

2003-06-18 Thread John Howell
Hi all, I'm working on a contrabass part. In several slurred passages, I have to input bowing indications, slurs, articulations and fingerings on down stem notes. 1 Do you think that the right vertical input above the note is at first articulation then fingering inside slurs and bowing outside

Re: [Finale] Auto-Hyphenation?

2003-06-18 Thread John Howell
At 7:04 PM -0400 6/17/03, timothy price wrote: [...] And inevitably (oops, in- ev- it- a- bly) you will ... Actually, it's in-ev-i-ta-bly (:) --Richard But a singer would sing, I-ne-vi-ta-bly Christopher BJ Smith replied: Irrelevant, IMHO. Singers who read English will know how to

Re: [Finale] OT: Alan Pollack's Beatles Page

2003-06-15 Thread John Howell
On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 08:30 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: Very interesting! I happened to see what he had to say about You Know My Name, Look Up The Number and I wonder what any of the Beatles themselves would think of his analysis -- I know that it certainly was way more involved than I

Re: [Finale] OT: Tunes no-one plays:was Doubling

2003-06-13 Thread John Howell
Brad Beyenhof wrote: This can be traced back to the days of plainchant, in which a device called hocket (French for hiccup) was essentially a melody passed around between lines. Right idea, but it was used in polyphonic music, not plainchant. (The term and practice in plainchant would be

Re: [Finale] Doubling for Pops Orchestra Wind Players

2003-06-12 Thread John Howell
Tim Thompson wrote: Yeah, that too! And then there is the fraction of a percent who enjoy the Eb alto...:-) [meaning clarinet] There's been past discussion of this on the Bandchat list, and a good many directors don't think the instrument is worth the trouble. My feeling is otherwise. Those

Re: [Finale] Doubling for Pops Orchestra Wind Players

2003-06-12 Thread John Howell
Extreme doubling is becoming increasingly common in the jazz world. I know several first-rate saxophone players in New York who have not just the standard doubles (flute and clarinet) but oboe and English horn as well. No, Charles Pillow wouldn't win the audition for the English Horn chair

Re: [Finale] Finale to Powerpoint?

2003-06-11 Thread John Howell
From PowerPoint, just go to Insert Picture From File... and find the TIFF you've exported. I'm not certain that that's the correct path to insert, but I'm sure you can figure it out if it's not. Brad Beyenhof Two things to be aware of. Once you've imported it, it can be resized on the screen

Re: [Finale] Doubling for Pops Orchestra Wind Players

2003-06-11 Thread John Howell
Okay, In the pops orchestra project I'm currently working on, there's a piece I'm arranging where I'd like to use a lot of low wind instruments. I mean, a lot. The winds are 3/3/3/3. If I could get away with it, I would probably want three contrabassoons and three contrabass clarinets. Or

Re: [Finale] Re: Backwards compatibility

2003-06-07 Thread John Howell
On Friday, Jun 6, 2003, at 18:10 America/Vancouver, David H. Bailey wrote: Randy Stokes, senior developer, IS a musician. I have no idea about any of the rest. Now where did that page of jokes about trombonists go... Philip Aker Must have been stolen by a violist. John -- John Susie Howell

Re: [Finale] New Finale release

2003-06-07 Thread John Howell
Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it is the Mac market which is the drag these days. I'm sure! I know I skipped the 2003 upgrade for that very reason. The only reason we upgraded at my institution last year was that we converted to a site license, added a few

Re: [Finale] Score Order

2003-06-04 Thread John Howell
Richard Huggins asked: In the end, does any conductor see enough of a given order that he or she is thrown by a new one, or is it merely a matter of reorienting one's mind and soon no longer an issue? I'm not asking that rhetorically; I don't know enough about classical scores to know if there's

Re: [Finale] Dancer tempos (previously: Notational conventions innew and old music)

2003-06-04 Thread John Howell
Recordings of Broadway shows almost always have extensive cuts in the dance numbers -- they leave just enough to be tasty and to handle any needed modulations. Oftentimes, the composer of a show doesn't even write the dance numbers -- they're worked out by an arranger as the choreography

Re: [Finale] Dancer tempos (previously: Notational conventions innew and old music)

2003-06-04 Thread John Howell
At 07:05 PM 6/3/2003, John Howell wrote: All quite true, and for a very simple reason. All the classic shows (at least after WW II) were recorded for release on LP. A 12 LP holds 15 minutes per side comfortably, up to perhaps 30 minutes if an engineer monitors the mastering very carefully

Re: [Finale] Ooooo.... Shiny new G4.

2003-06-03 Thread John Howell
Are you sure you're not trying to put it into a FireWire (IEEE 1394) port? They look remarkably similar to USB ports except are slightly different in shape. You are absolutely right, Brad. You must be psychic. It fits quite nicely when you put it in the right place. Crystal Premo I just

Re: [Finale] Notational conventions in new and old music (previously: Do house styles...).

2003-06-02 Thread John Howell
David H. Bailey wrote (re: dialects in spoken language): Did it matter how he decided? Could you tell if he were correct or not? Did the speech you got from the IPA really sound like fluid conversational speech? Could you turn it into fluid conversational speech without hearing native

Re: [Finale] Bowings and slurs and staccato dots...

2003-06-01 Thread John Howell
On 30 May 2003 at 18:02, John Howell wrote: David W. Fenton wrote (much snipped): Slurring, or hooking (i.e., two separate bows going in the same direction)? Dance movements are *certainly* a place where you definitely need lots of compensating bow. I wrote: Good distinction between

Re: [Finale] Notational conventions in new and old music(previously: Do house styles...).

2003-06-01 Thread John Howell
Darcy wrote: I suppose this would depend on whether you wanted a parody of how jazz musicians play eighth notes (which is what you would get with 12/8 or [worse] dotted eighth-sixteenth notation), or wanted some actual reasonable facsimile of idiomatic swing. (The former may well be what you

Re: [Finale] Do house styles override what composer wrote?

2003-05-30 Thread John Howell
On 30 May 2003 at 2:12, Michael Edwards wrote: [David W. Fenton:] On 29 May 2003 at 8:10, Michael Edwards wrote: I guess the situation is a bit difficult for older music, where notation has changed sufficiently that older music might be difficult for modern people to read. I

Re: [Finale] Bowings and slurs and staccato dots...

2003-05-30 Thread John Howell
David W. Fenton asked: Do modern string players recognize phrasing at any level but bowings? Of course, but I would choose different wording. Any musical player who has learned to do it will recognize and play phrasing without a roadmap. More capable players will recognize it at several levels

Re: [Finale] Double-dotted notes

2003-05-29 Thread John Howell
On Sun, 25 May 2003, Mark D. Lew wrote: I'm curious to know which terminology is used in Canada. Does it match the United States or Britain? We use half, quarter, etc., but will stoop to crotchets if obliged to work with visitors who subscribe to arcane nomenclatures. Philip Aker This is not

Re: [Finale] Changing key sigs without courtesy naturals - a goodidea?

2003-05-27 Thread John Howell
At 1:12 AM -0800 5/27/03, Mark D. Lew wrote: At 9:01 AM 05/25/03, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: It's my understanding that cancelling outgoing key signatures with naturals is archaic, kind of like separate beaming of eighths on each syllable was popular a century ago. I never do it. It is my

Re: [Finale] diamond breve notehead?

2003-04-01 Thread John Howell
Does anyone know of a font that includes a breve diamond notehead? (ie a diamond hugged by 2 short vertical lines either side) Dorothy Ker Interesting request. I've never come across that combination in either historical use or modern use. Historically the breve was notated as a simple square

Re: [Finale] OT. Strauss Horn Concerto

2003-03-22 Thread John Howell
Keith in OZ asked: Any of you hornists- (or others) know if the Strauss Horn Concerto (#1) in Eb Opus 11. is arranged for Concert Band? (Good arrg't please!) If so, where do I get it? If not- how would I be with copyright in arranging it myself? Well, it was composed in 1883, but Richard did not

RE: [Finale] OT. Strauss Horn Concerto

2003-03-22 Thread John Howell
I had understood the opposite to be true -- that as long as a work remains under copyright in the country in which the original copyright was registered, it remains under copyright in all countries who are signatories to the Berne Convention. If I'm mistaken, I hope someone can point us toward

Re: [Finale] OT: Arabic (was TAN: Czech)

2003-03-14 Thread John Howell
At 8:07 PM 03/13/03, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: This is a lot of fun to talk about, especially when considering how hard it is to transcribe material for singing. I have some choral scores that used some bizarre vocalization scheme in parallel with the actual English words ... I forget what it

Re: [Finale] TAN Blessing or Curse in disguise?

2003-03-06 Thread John Howell
Andrew Stiller wrote: My concern is with revivals of classic musicals (the only ones worth attending, in my recent experience) which were written for full string sections that are just not to be heard on Broadway anymore. I went to see _On the Town_ when it was revived a while back, and was

Re: [Finale] Re: Swing indication

2003-03-06 Thread John Howell
Darcy wrote: Depending on the player, the accents may fool you into thinking that the rhythm is more triplety than it really is, but if you really listen carefully, you will realize that Chuck ain't lying when he tells you that rhythmically, continuous eighth notes in jazz are played very much

Re: [Finale] Vibrato (was Problems with Smart Shapes)

2003-02-20 Thread John Howell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark D. Lew) wrote: For what it's worth, in my world we like to distinguish between wobble and vibrato. Of course I realize that wobble is hardly a technical term, but it's not the same as vibrato either. Actually it may be a technical term. From undergrad psychology courses

Re: [Finale] Vibrato (was Problems with Smart Shapes)

2003-02-20 Thread John Howell
Which of the two words do you consider to be connected with amplitude modulation? I'm used to both terms being connected with frequency, vibrato being a small regular fluctuation in pitch (= frequency), and wobble being an excessive or uncontrolled vibrato. Michael Cook Off the top of my head,

Re: Fwd: RE: [Finale] Mirror, mirror, on the wall!

2003-02-09 Thread John Howell
David H. Bailey wrote: You should only put the fingerings in for those places where you actually are demanding a very specific sound, such as third-space C played up high on the D string. Otherwise, string players are going to go for whatever fingerings work best for them and ignore your

Re: [Finale] Selling music on line

2003-02-08 Thread John Howell
ns suggested: Copyright 1725 by J.S. Bach For the exclusive use of the choir of the Elector or Saxony or Copyright 1770, by W. A. Mozart For the exclusive private use of Empress Maria Theresa. As I see it, if the Empress Josephine heard of it, and wanted her own copy, it wiill take just a

Re: [Finale] Selling music on line

2003-02-08 Thread John Howell
David H. Bailey, among other cogent thoughts, wrote: I believe I might also offer a printed version for an extra cost, on heavy-stock paper, for those who don't want to print their own. But even then I will include the right for that person to create necessary copies for the use of the group

Re: [Finale] TAN: French Horn question

2003-01-24 Thread John Howell
I agree with Robert - if the parts are obviously meant to be played by a horn in G, then supply parts written out for horn in G. All the best, Lawrence Maybe I'm missing something important here. If you mean for the parts to be played by a (natural) horn in G, I would agree. But if you mean

Re: [Finale] TAN: French Horn question

2003-01-24 Thread John Howell
John Howell wrote: But if you mean for them to be played on a modern valve horn in F, you should write them for horn in F. Nope. For most professionals, at least, it is better to provide them in the key of the natural horn parts. Some publishers provide both original key and F parts. I'd guess

Re: [Finale] what should I charge (UK)

2003-01-09 Thread John Howell
Apologies for raising a subject which I know has been covered before but, as has been said so often on this list, when it last appeared it wasn't relevant to me - now it is. I have been asked to transpose some songs for a singer who can no longer hit the high notes. He has the original copies

Re: [Finale] 4'33

2003-01-04 Thread John Howell
I was listening to a quiz on BBC Radio recently and one of the questions revolved around a composer using silence in a work and being sued by the Cage estate. Apparently he had to pay up - is that true? I'll try to find the link if anyone's interested. Nick True, according to discussion on

Re: [Finale] Re: royalties for 4'33?

2002-12-31 Thread John Howell
At 10:16 +0100 30/12/2002, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Given that you get permission I wonder whether you could make an arrangement of the piece for other instruments and get arranger's royalties...? I have a copy of the Peter's edition of 4'33. In the introductory note, John Cage writes: ... the

Re: [Finale] OT: 4'33: can anyone confirm that it isn't [only]music?

2002-12-27 Thread John Howell
a friend recently brought up an interesting point: as far as he knew, no staging of 4'33 has ever been produced in the realm of dance or theatre. jef Piece of cake. But remember, if you use Cage's composition, you have to pay performance royalties. John John Susie Howell Virginia Tech

Re: [Finale] RE: Plug-in question/request/idea

2002-12-21 Thread John Howell
Yes, I would find that interesting. It would come in gooed use in Renaissance transcriptions. Barbara Agreed, but you can get accurate range information from the original clefs in most situations. John John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A.

Re: [Finale] 8va, 8va, loco

2002-12-06 Thread John Howell
Denniswrote: Is there an accepted way to indicate that most of a piece is played 8va except for certain areas played 15ma and other areas played loco? (Or, maybe, is there just a better 8va treble clef available in somebody's font?) Can't quote any rules, but as a practical matter, 1. I would

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