Re: [Finale] Audio file conversion to midi format

2006-05-24 Thread Karen
Hi Barb,I second Eric's suggestion of Melodyne.  This is the only thing that really comes close.http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=m3_comparisonThey have several products out which you can compare.  You can also download a demo and see if it will do what you need it to do.  The demos are full

Re: [Finale] Audio file conversion to midi format

2006-05-24 Thread Darcy James Argue
There is no software that is remotely capable of doing this reliably. You need it done, hire someone with good ears. - Darcy-[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://secretsociety.typepad.comBrooklyn, NY On 25 May 2006, at 12:23 AM, Barbara Levy wrote: Howdy!   Does anyone have any suggestions as to how one can

Re: [Finale] Audio file conversion to midi format

2006-05-24 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Nor does anything do it really well. You might want to check out Melodyne. http://www.celemony.com/ Barbara Levy wrote: Howdy! Does anyone have any suggestions as to how one can convert common audio files (mp3, wav, wma, rma, e.g.) to midi format? As near as I can determine, Final

[Finale] Audio file conversion to midi format

2006-05-24 Thread Barbara Levy
Howdy!   Does anyone have any suggestions as to how one can convert common audio files (mp3, wav, wma, rma, e.g.) to midi format?  As near as I can determine, Finale does not do anything like this.   Barb Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing lis

Re: [Finale] romanic numbers

2006-05-24 Thread John Roberts
I generally import pages to PageMaker, which can certainly do that for you (as Christopher suggests). And as an aside to the Mac G5 thread, PageMaker has not been updated for OSX so I still need to use Classic or an OS9 boot. It's a perfectly good program, does more than I need, and I see no reaso

[Finale] noteheads on the 'wrong' side

2006-05-24 Thread M. Perticone
hello finalisters, i'm writing a piece where the there's a solo part and another second very complementary less demanding part. as some notes are played with the same duration i put both notes on the first staff and then i cross-staff the bottom note. no problems with that. but as i'm recurrently

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 May 2006 at 21:23, Robert Patterson wrote: > I don't understand how can there can be any argument about the level > of backwards compatibility on the 2 platforms. I've used both, and > there is no comparison. > > Asking, "why would you want to do that?" is merely changing the > subject. Pos

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Carl Dershem
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 05:15 PM 5/24/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: On 24 May 2006 at 22:20, dc wrote: Agreed. As a professional translator, I still use Office 97, some ten years old. Likewise here. I don't care for any of the later versions of Office apps. Make that at least t

Re: [Finale] romanic numbers

2006-05-24 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 24, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Dragoş Oltean wrote: I want to write in automat text page number romanic style: I, II, III, IV Dragos, Unfortunately, I don't think Finale can do this for you. It doesn't seem to support Roman numerals at all, except for entering them manually. Sorry

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 24, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Michael Cook wrote: On the iMac G5 that I bought just over a year ago, I can run every version of Finale from 3.7 (the earliest I have) to 2006. I still use Pagemaker 4.0 (1990) and Jim Leitch's Address Book (1994). Address Book has an OSX version now (thank good

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 24, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Exactly. Apple has an EXCELLENT record of keeping support for old applications while moving forward with new things. So you can't use OS 9 programs under classic with the new Intel macs. So? Companies have had years to move programs over to O

[Finale] romanic numbers

2006-05-24 Thread Dragoş Oltean
I want to write in automat text page number romanic style: I, II, III, IV Thanks,Dragos(f2006, winxp) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:15 PM 5/24/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: >On 24 May 2006 at 22:20, dc wrote: >> Agreed. As a professional translator, I still use Office 97, some ten >> years old. > >Likewise here. I don't care for any of the later versions of Office >apps. Make that at least three of us. Actually, I w

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Robert Patterson
I don't understand how can there can be any argument about the level of backwards compatibility on the 2 platforms. I've used both, and there is no comparison. Asking, "why would you want to do that?" is merely changing the subject. Posts along those lines, while perhaps interesting, are not on

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 May 2006 at 22:20, dc wrote: > Aaron Sherber écrit: > >Again, that's far too general a statement. In what way does Office > >2003 make better use of my new computer than Office 2000? In fact, > >since Office 2000 was designed for slower hardware, I would argue > >that it actually runs *bette

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 May 2006 at 12:30, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: > On 5/24/06 11:20 AM, "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > So, you're admitting that your comments are made in complete > > ignorance of the situation with Windows? > >I think "complete ignorance" might be a little strong. In p

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 May 2006 at 12:31, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > But WHY do you want or NEED to run 6 year old software on a modern > computer?? Because it works? Because it is no longer made? Because later versions of the same software introduced design problems that make it unusable? Because newer software

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I'd probably still use it on a piece of hardware that it runs it. So, if Finale 2008 is the last version, and it runs on Intel Macs, but didn't run on the Quad Core Intel Macs in 2014, I don't think I'd be fussing. I'm sure whatever succeeds Finale (assuming it ever dies) would have some sort o

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Older versions of software are a *very* big deal.   For example, the Library of Congress is so concerned about this issue they commissioned a study of potential issues for digital files of music (either music performed or PDFs or Finale/Sibelius files for example). The issue being, in 200 years, pr

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 03:31 PM 5/24/2006, Eric Dannewitz wrote: >But WHY do you want or NEED to run 6 year old software on a modern >computer?? I was trying to stay out of this slugfest, but I find myself pulled in. Sometimes old software runs just fine, and there's no need to spend money on an updated UI and ne

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:31 PM 5/24/06 -0700, Eric Dannewitz wrote: >But WHY do you want or NEED to run 6 year old software on a modern >computer?? >I think that if you buy a program, and use it, and then buy new >hardware, you'd want to update all your programs to take advantage of >the new hardware. Ah, I see.

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread dhbailey
Eric Dannewitz wrote: Exactly. Apple has an EXCELLENT record of keeping support for old applications while moving forward with new things. So you can't use OS 9 programs under classic with the new Intel macs. So? Companies have had years to move programs over to OS X. Does anyone really want to

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread dhbailey
Eric Dannewitz wrote: But WHY do you want or NEED to run 6 year old software on a modern computer?? I just don't get the mentality of people who want to run old software on new hardware. Did bitch and moan when your 8 track tapes couldn't be played anymore? Or when those LPs couldn't be playe

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Barbara Touburg
Eric Dannewitz wrote: But WHY do you want or NEED to run 6 year old software on a modern computer?? Because some software only runs in ms-dos. Score for example (vintage music notation software). Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu h

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Michael Cook
On 24 May 2006, at 21:36, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Are these Classic, Rosetta, etc., components automatically launched in the background when the program is run? Or does the user have to leave one environment and enter another? They are launched automatically. You can keep different apps

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Michael Cook
On the iMac G5 that I bought just over a year ago, I can run every version of Finale from 3.7 (the earliest I have) to 2006. I still use Pagemaker 4.0 (1990) and Jim Leitch's Address Book (1994). I can still play Fool's Errand (1987), use Word 5.1 (1992) or Word 2001 (no need to pay Microso

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:01 PM 5/24/06 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >I must say that I cannot follow. When the PPC came out, they insured >backward compatibility with the 68k Emulator. That was almost 100%. >When OS X came out, they included the Classic operating system, which >insured compatibility with probably

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Exactly. Apple has an EXCELLENT record of keeping support for old applications while moving forward with new things. So you can't use OS 9 programs under classic with the new Intel macs. So? Companies have had years to move programs over to OS X. Does anyone really want to run 1984 Mac programs

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Eric Dannewitz
But WHY do you want or NEED to run 6 year old software on a modern computer?? I just don't get the mentality of people who want to run old software on new hardware. Did bitch and moan when your 8 track tapes couldn't be played anymore? Or when those LPs couldn't be played in your CD player?

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 24.05.2006 Phil Daley wrote: A MAC user HAS to upgrade their software every time a new kind of MAC comes out, and they buy one. Windows users can decide to upgrade at their own convenience, even though they upgrade to the current Windows version. MAC has NEVER supported this. I must say

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 24.05.2006 Phil Daley wrote: AFAIK you can still run the oldest versions of Finale on any pre-Intel Mac. This may perhaps exclude MIDI, but they should run in Classic. I have a MAC SE. I have not been able to run ANYTHING new on it because it runs OS6. I have a problem imagining OS7 or la

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 24.05.2006 Phil Daley wrote: "5/6 years" So you say you cannot run MAC software from 2000. I can run MS software from 1980. I rest my case. In your previous post you made a very different case. Which was rejected because it was complete nonsense. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Phil Daley
"5/6 years" So you say you cannot run MAC software from 2000. I can run MS software from 1980. I rest my case. At 5/24/2006 02:03 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: >That simply is not true. A Mac user does not have to upgrade their >software EVERY time a new Mac comes out. You can run a ton of progr

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Scot Hanna-Weir
On 5/24/06 12:47 PM, "Phil Daley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The only problem I am aware of, with respect to programs "running too > fast", was games. > > There were many free programs available to slow down the computer > intentionally. > Very true...and it's not a current problem for

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Eric Dannewitz
That simply is not true. A Mac user does not have to upgrade their software EVERY time a new Mac comes out. You can run a ton of programs, including Microcrap Office, on the new Intel macs. No need to upgrade there. Some with Adobe's software. Same was true when Apple went with OS X. You could

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Phil Daley
At 5/24/2006 01:30 PM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: >On 5/24/06 11:20 AM, "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So, you're admitting that your comments are made in complete >> ignorance of the situation with Windows? > > I think "complete ignorance" might be a little strong. In pointing o

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Phil Daley
I also have an Apple IIe. Just the other day I set it up and printed out my household expenses from when I built my house. If I could buy a Finale that ran on my MAC, I could use it instead of my Windows computer. The point is: A MAC user HAS to upgrade their software every time a new kind

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Scot Hanna-Weir
On 5/24/06 11:20 AM, "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, you're admitting that your comments are made in complete > ignorance of the situation with Windows? I think "complete ignorance" might be a little strong. In pointing out that there was a shift from 3.1 to '95, I was mainl

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Ok...and your point is what? That's great you still have a functional SE, but, seriously, my Laser Printer has a more powerful processor than it. And my PDA. Perhaps my wristwatch as well. Phil Daley wrote: At 5/24/2006 11:01 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >On 24.05.2006 dc wrote: >> B

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Phil Daley
At 5/24/2006 12:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >Had I the disks, I'm sure I could install and run Finale 2.0.1, the >first version I ever had. It was a Windows 3.0 program, from before >Windows had TrueType fonts (so you could get decent printing only >with a PostScript printer). Good point. I t

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Phil Daley
At 5/24/2006 11:50 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: >If Win really has such backwards compatibility, and we are saying that these >really old versions will run in XP, if you are dual-booting the new intels >to windows, wouldn't you theoretically be able to run any version that would >still work on a wi

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Phil Daley
At 5/24/2006 11:10 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >If Finale is a yardstick, and I think it is typical, there simply is no >comparison between Win and Mac on backwards compatibility and productive >life. Win is the uncontested winner. I also fully expect Longhorn to >maintain the same or close level

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Phil Daley
At 5/24/2006 11:01 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >On 24.05.2006 dc wrote: >> But how old is the oldest version of Finale you can run on a 2006 Windows >machine. And how old is the oldest version of Finale you can run on a 2006 >Mac? Platform shifts aren't a problem as long as backward compatibility

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Andrew Stiller
On May 24, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: AFAIK you can still run the oldest versions of Finale on any pre-Intel Mac. This may perhaps exclude MIDI, but they should run in Classic. Just barely. FinMac 2.X will run in Classic, but will not print. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Phil Daley
At 5/24/2006 10:39 AM, dc wrote: >Scot Hanna-Weir écrit: >>While that all may be true -- I guess I should point out that 1995, of >>Windows '95 fame was only 11 years ago. (I remember when my notice came that >>DOS Magazine would no longer be printed due to the new OS...sad days). > >But how old

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Robert Patterson
David Fenton: > The wisdom or benefit or downside of breaking backward compatibility > aside, there is just no comparison at all between Microsoft and > Apple. I find myself in complete agreement with David Fenton on this point. I should add that breaking backwards comptibility is great for dev

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 May 2006 at 10:50, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: > On 5/24/06 10:01 AM, "Johannes Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > With the move to Intel this will change. The oldest version that can > > technically run on current Intel Macs is Fin2k4. > > If Win really has such backwards compatibilit

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 May 2006 at 9:17, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: > On 5/24/06 8:49 AM, "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Johannes Gebauer said: > >> > >> You are obviously not aware of the current situation of Mac models. > >> This is not a normal situation. > > > > It seems all too nauseatin

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Scot Hanna-Weir
On 5/24/06 10:01 AM, "Johannes Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the move to Intel this will change. The oldest version that can > technically run on current Intel Macs is Fin2k4. If Win really has such backwards compatibility, and we are saying that these really old versions will run in

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Glad to hear it. Dean On May 23, 2006, at 11:23 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 24.05.2006 Dean M. Estabrook wrote: And, I guess, if you wait six more weeks after that, you can replace the replacement for a fraction of its price ad nauseum. We have been lured by the siren song of te

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Robert Patterson
Dennis wrote: > But how old is the oldest version of Finale you can run on a 2006 Windows > machine. And how old is the oldest version of Finale you can run on a 2006 > Mac? Platform shifts aren't a problem as long as backward compatibility is > preserved. > This is such an important point. Th

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 24.05.2006 dc wrote: But how old is the oldest version of Finale you can run on a 2006 Windows machine. And how old is the oldest version of Finale you can run on a 2006 Mac? Platform shifts aren't a problem as long as backward compatibility is preserved. AFAIK you can still run the oldest

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Scot Hanna-Weir
While that all may be true -- I guess I should point out that 1995, of Windows '95 fame was only 11 years ago. (I remember when my notice came that DOS Magazine would no longer be printed due to the new OS...sad days). -Scot On 5/24/06 8:49 AM, "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-24 Thread Robert Patterson
Johannes Gebauer said: > > You are obviously not aware of the current situation of Mac models. This > is not a normal situation. It seems all too nauseatingly normal for Mac models. Apple has subjected Mac users (of which I am one) to three (count em!) major platform shifts in the last 12-15