Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Daniel Wolf
Chuck Israels wrote: Interesting that celeste is not listed, yet that's what I always hear in Magic Flute performances and recordings. Seems OK to my ears. Chuck No, it's not a celeste, which has softer bars, a damper, and a prominent resonator-generated _Nachklang_. The keyboard

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Daniel Wolf
This table is problematic in that it doesn't distinguish between an instrument with the bars laid-out like a keyboard and an instrument actually played via a keyboard. The modern orchestral bells/glockenspiel/(and their band world near-equivalent, the bell lyra) is laid-out like a keyboard

[Finale] Wind ensemble/wind band

2006-10-08 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 08/10/2006 00:29:14 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "In practice (at the college level, at least), a wind ensemble is the band with the best players in it, on the small side, but not necessarily with only one on a part." At our music centre we have

Re: [Finale] finale 2007 install: use 2005 templates?

2006-10-08 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 7, 2006, at 3:20 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: am about to introduce myself to finale 2007 (hi, i'm jef... please behave and we can be friends) and wondering if there are any issues to be aware of in simply dropping my old default file (template), instrument and page sizes docs

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?

2006-10-08 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: [snip] And, just out of curiosity, what ever happened to the Kurzweil keyboards and their sampled libraries that were so highly touted about 10 years ago as the perfect samples for orchestral music, and that had some darned good demos of what could be done with their

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 Oct 2006 at 13:40, Richard Smith wrote: Some really good music by some respected composers is being written for wind ensemble and many composition students are being advised that the best way to hear one's music performed is to write for band, not orchestra. Are

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 Oct 2006 at 15:48, Richard Smith wrote: [quoting me, unattributed, again:] But for samples, wouldn't you want a completely different sound? WHile they can play the same repertory, they amount of section doubling is drastically different between the two ensembles. Or

Re: [Finale] Wind ensemble/wind band

2006-10-08 Thread dhbailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 08/10/2006 00:29:14 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In practice (at the college level, at least), a wind ensemble is the band with the best players in it, on the small side, but not necessarily with only one on a part. At

Re: [Finale] Wind ensemble/wind band

2006-10-08 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
Maybe I should be a little more specific - our wind ensemble uses pairs of flutes, oboes, clarinets, bassoons and horns, i.e. apart from the flutes, the "classical" wind band (although we do play lots of modern music) . If a particular piece calls for extra players (one piece had a solo

Re: [Finale] 2007 part names

2006-10-08 Thread Bernard Savoie
On Oct 06, 2006, at 13:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That "generate parts" button is misleading -- you don't need to click it  to have a linked part.  You only need it if you want to have Finale  actually create the parts based on the staves and names in the score.  Once you click the OK button, any

Re: [Finale] Wind ensemble/wind band

2006-10-08 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:04 AM 10/8/06 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I should be a little more specific - our wind ensemble uses pairs of flutes, oboes, clarinets, bassoons and horns, i.e. apart from the flutes, the classical wind band (although we do play lots of modern music). If a particular piece calls

Re: [Finale] Wind ensemble/wind band

2006-10-08 Thread dhbailey
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 08:04 AM 10/8/06 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I should be a little more specific - our wind ensemble uses pairs of flutes, oboes, clarinets, bassoons and horns, i.e. apart from the flutes, the classical wind band (although we do play lots of modern

[Finale] Native Instruments

2006-10-08 Thread Will Denayer
Hello All, Finale 2007 comes with a link to Native Instruments. You need to subscribe before you can use it. They ask for your address and telephone number and so on and so, because I did not know, what I was subscribing to, I didn't do it yet. What is NI about? For the rest, I have still so many

Re: [Finale] Wind ensemble/wind band

2006-10-08 Thread Daniel Wolf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At our music centre we have both a wind band and a wind ensemble. The ensemble is much smaller than the band and uses orchestral instruments only (no saxes then) but the main distinction is in the repertoire, the ensemble being very much a chamber music group.

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Bernard Savoie
The saxophone may not be a regular member of the orchestra, but in 20th-century (and beyond) repertoire, it is a frequent guest, more so then certain other instruments such as alto clarinet, or bass flute for instance. I know of well over 2000 pieces of orchestral music which uses saxophone(s) as

[Finale] Finale 2007 Intel Mac compatibility (was re: Finale vs. Sibelius)

2006-10-08 Thread Bob Shuster
From the Final website:"While Finale 2007 runs natively in Intel-based Macs, certain components made by third party providers are not yet available in a Universal Binary format. We expect to have free, downloadable updates for these features this fall. In the meantime, you will need to run Finale

Re: [Finale] Native Instruments

2006-10-08 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Will Denayer wrote: Hello All, Finale 2007 comes with a link to Native Instruments. You need to subscribe before you can use it. They ask for your address and telephone number and so on and so, because I did not know, what I was subscribing to, I didn't do it

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Andrew Stiller
For the difference betw. keyboard glockenspiel and celesta, see my book. Both instruments are required in Messiaen's _Turangalila Symphonie_. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread John Howell
At 10:36 AM +0200 10/8/06, Daniel Wolf wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Interesting that celeste is not listed, yet that's what I always hear in Magic Flute performances and recordings. Seems OK to my ears. Chuck No, it's not a celeste, which has softer bars, a damper, and a prominent

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread John Howell
You may be correct, but I certainly read the definitions as meaning glockenspiel with a keyboard. I think the modern tendency to refer to mallet instruments as keyboards simply clouds the issue, whether it is organologically correct or not. John At 10:43 AM +0200 10/8/06, Daniel Wolf

[Finale] F2007 bug: program options/view

2006-10-08 Thread shirling neueweise
can anyone else confirm this? go to prog options, click on any of the left items, the appropriate dialogue box appears on the right. scroll through the items using the mouse, as the cursor moves through the list, the appropriate box appears... except for View. i'm on mac. -- shirling

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Daniel Wolf
John Howell wrote: So which is considered preferable for Tchaikovsky, or do both versions of the instrument actually still exist? JOHN Tchaikovsky requires a celeste. DJW ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread John Howell
At 7:46 AM -0400 10/8/06, dhbailey wrote: One sequencer capability which would be nice in Finale for just such occasions would be the ability to have one staff, one sound, duplicated to different tracks with each one time-shifted a few milliseconds and the multiple tracks detuned randomly

Re: [Finale] Wind ensemble/wind band

2006-10-08 Thread John Howell
At 8:29 AM -0400 10/8/06, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 08:04 AM 10/8/06 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I should be a little more specific - our wind ensemble uses pairs of flutes, oboes, clarinets, bassoons and horns, i.e. apart from the flutes, the classical wind band (although we do

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Re: Celeste or Glock (the latter of ANY type) Tchaikovsky - in the two works of his oeuvre which call for such an instrument (Nutcracker and Voyevoda- the op. 78 ballad and not the op. 3 overture) calls specifically for a celeste, not glock, keyboard or lyre. Celeste has a much softer and

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Oct 2006 at 18:38, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 07 Oct 2006, at 6:32 PM, Richard Smith wrote: You're right, of course. Doubling the same instrument is just a waste of resources. Egg on my face! Not at all. As I mentioned, in Garritan instruments, doubling the player variations

Re: [Finale] Wind ensemble/wind band

2006-10-08 Thread David W. Fenton
On 8 Oct 2006 at 14:29, John Howell wrote: Our present Director of Bands started a new ensemble a couple of years ago, calling it Chamber Winds, which is definitely a chamber group, definitely one on a part, and definitely NOT a band by any definition. Where he finds literature for it I

Re: [Finale] F2007 bug: program options/view

2006-10-08 Thread Carolyn Bremer
Not happening here (on a Mac, too). I get the appropriate options on the right when clicked on view. -carolyn On 10/8/06, shirling neueweise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can anyone else confirm this? go to prog options, click on any of the left items, the appropriate dialogue box appears on

Re: [Finale] F2007 bug: program options/view

2006-10-08 Thread Godofredo Romero
i'm on Mac and is ok why don't you try repair permissions? GR shirling neueweise wrote: can anyone else confirm this? go to prog options, click on any of the left items, the appropriate dialogue box appears on the right. scroll through the items using the mouse, as the cursor moves

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 08 Oct 2006, at 7:46 AM, dhbailey wrote: One sequencer capability which would be nice in Finale for just such occasions would be the ability to have one staff, one sound, duplicated to different tracks with each one time-shifted a few milliseconds and the multiple tracks detuned

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 07 Oct 2006, at 8:35 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Not at all. As I mentioned, in Garritan instruments, doubling the player variations (i.e. Flute Player 1 and Flute Player 2) gives authentic unisons and is not a waste of resources at all. David doesn't use Garritan instruments so the comments

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread David W. Fenton
On 8 Oct 2006 at 16:16, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 08 Oct 2006, at 7:46 AM, dhbailey wrote: One sequencer capability which would be nice in Finale for just such occasions would be the ability to have one staff, one sound, duplicated to different tracks with each one time-shifted a few

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 08 Oct 2006, at 5:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Again, this is something that is very easily done with the VAR1 and VAR2 commands in the Kontakt Player. Could you explicate that a bit, please? VAR1 and VAR2 are controllers in the Kontakt Player that allow you to control the amount of

RE: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Richard Smith
Does this require the full Kontakt player or will the Finale version (or Sibelius) work. Richard Smtih -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:19 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale]

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Darcy James Argue
Richard, Just to clarify the terminology: there is no such thing as the full Kontakt player. There's Kontakt Player and then there's Kontakt. Kontakt Player is included in Finale (as well as the Garritan Instrument Libraries), and supports VAR1, VAR2 etc. Kontakt is a full-blown sampler,

RE: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Richard Smith
Thanks, Darcy. Your analogy was perfect and I did find the var 1 2 knobs. I have much to learn about GPO an appreciate your help. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue Sent: Sunday, October

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread David W. Fenton
On 8 Oct 2006 at 17:18, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 08 Oct 2006, at 5:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Again, this is something that is very easily done with the VAR1 and VAR2 commands in the Kontakt Player. Could you explicate that a bit, please? VAR1 and VAR2 are controllers in the

Re: [Finale] Garritan [was: Finale/Sibelius as sequencer/sampler?]

2006-10-08 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 08 Oct 2006, at 7:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: OK. I don't understand what all that means. Is Finale producing the output here? Finale is triggering the Kontakt Player, which loads as an audio plugin inside Finale. The Kontakt Player in turn hosts the Garritan instruments and offers