You can make Sibelius have a Speedy Entry, sort of, but it doesn't work
as well as Finale's. But then MM doesn't want you to work in Speedy.
They consider it old fashioned. They want you to learn the simple entry
tools they copied (none to well) form Sibelius.
Sibelius works best with simple
Richard it sounds like you are wasting your time on this mail-list.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Richard Smith
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:08 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Goodbye Finale
If you like
Hello List,
I was almost done working on an orchestral film music cue file in Finale
2006 when the program crashed. I immediately double-clicked on the file icon
and after Finale had re-launched all my data was saved - except for the last
five minutes of work, so I immediately resaved the file.
Though my work is tonal, it is highly chromatic and sigs are
annoying. Further, as a horn player, I find it disconcerting to put
things into a C score to work around. Is it so difficult for MM to
add no key/atonal to the choices?
huh? leave the score in C (key sig) and uncheck display in
As I have often said, the one thing I can't figure out how to do in
the linked parts is to place a To Coda symbol in the middle of a
MM rest without breaking out one individual measure (5 - 1- 2 for
instance, instead of 6 - 2).
assign it in the part to the first measure in the MM rest, hide
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 08:25 PM 8/4/2007, Leigh Daniels wrote:
And that's another problem with Finale support--we are extremely
unlikely to see *any* reply from MM on this list.
This is not an MM list, and MM does not officially monitor it. This has
always been true.
The Sibelius-list
Steve Schow wrote:
For people who have grown up with Finale and used it for many
versions, it will remain easier to use until an equal amount of
time is put into learning Sibelius. But for people just starting
out with one notation program or the other, it's what they learn
first which will
Richard Smith wrote:
Henry E. Howey wrote:
Also, I really need SMARTMUSIC, and it only works with
5inale.
So does MM. That's why SmartMusic is only compatible with Finale. By the
way, why should I pay for a SmartMusic subscription, ostensibly to be
able to use licensed content, and not be
Brian Williams wrote:
Hello List,
I was almost done working on an orchestral film music cue file in Finale
2006 when the program crashed. I immediately double-clicked on the file icon
and after Finale had re-launched all my data was saved - except for the last
five minutes of work, so I
Now, will someone please explain to me how this linked parts stuff works?
Raymond Horton
read the manual, pp 37-5 onwards, everything is explained clearly, as
i repeat every 2-3 weeks when this question comes up.
--
shirling neueweise ... new music publishers
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
My daughter and I are playing in the pit orchestra for a production
of Peter Pan. The books are distributed by Samuel French Warehouse
out of Hurleyville, NY.
In my 40 years of show playing, I have never seen parts so poorly
prepared. The books are photocopies of the old velum, and the oils
On the contrary, I work with both Finale and Sibelius and I learn useful
things on this list. My first Finale was version 2 and I have used 3.5,
97, 2003, and 2005. I haven't decided about 2008 yet but it's probably
about time to upgrade. My first Sibelius was 1.0 and I have had every
version
At 06:07 AM 8/5/2007 -0400, dhbailey wrote:
The only way to determine that would be to find 20 or 30
super-power-users of each product and have a shootout involving 3 or 4
different scores from musical history, including recent scores such as
the kind Dennis Bathory-Kitsz works on.
I'm
Hi jef,
Yes, that's essentially what I do in extracted parts but, with
those, you never see the unused symbol (at least not in page view).
I readily admit to personal, emotional irrationality on this issue,
but I simply don't like those half tone symbols lurking on the screen
in my
Lawrence David Eden wrote:
My daughter and I are playing in the pit orchestra for a production of
Peter Pan. The books are distributed by Samuel French Warehouse out of
Hurleyville, NY.
In my 40 years of show playing, I have never seen parts so poorly
prepared. The books are photocopies of
On 8/5/07, Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However I have grown tired of Sibelius users charging Finale with being
clumsy and Finale users saying Sibelius is not capable of serious work.
I have at many times grown so fed up with Makemusic as to seriously
consider switching. But every
I dunno. Sounds like work. MakeMusic doesn't seem to like to do that.
And the Trolls they have lurking in their Forums.I think it
would be best if MakeMusic just went to like US Postal support ;-)
dhbailey wrote:
The Sibelius-list at yahoogroups isn't owned by Sibelius, yet they
Not so easy, actually -- see my followup post. Unlike Sibelius, in
Finale you must switch each staff to Chromatic Transposition one at a
time. There is no way to take a score template that is set for Key
Sig Transposition (or a file generated by the Setup Wizard, which
always uses Key Sig
On Fri Aug 3 at 14:29:42 , David W. Fenton wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the same stubbornness that caused
you to refuse to do the Finale tutorials in full will cause you
problems learning Sibelius, too.
I think comments like the above are best left unsaid--thanks.
Im just
Would it be such a drain on MM's resources to allow their employees to
maintain a presence here officially, instead of making them do it on
their own time and unofficially?
First of all, MM does have its own forum and some of their employees do
actively monitor it. I have gotten answers
Deluxe Music Construction set. Now there is a blast from the past.
-Original Message-
Of Lawrence David Eden
I can only hope that the boys at Samuel French will hire someone to
clean up the books! Whether they choose Finale, Sibelius or Deluxe
Music Construction Set makes no
At 02:29 PM 8/5/2007, Steve Schow wrote:
I haven't been lurking on this list very long, but the impression I
have so far is that a large majority of the chatter on here is
opinionated conjecture about how bad the bugs in Finale are and why
they would so much rather be using Sibelius.
I can see
chuck, you can change the colour and tone of the
hidden elements so they aren't as obtrusive. in
fact i have set mine to a light brown colour, so
i can better visualize how some elements will
appear (in BW) in the parts (that are hidden in
the score) without looking at the parts, but
Anyone for Laser Music Processor
From: Steve Schow
Sent: Sun 05-Aug-07 14:32
To: 'finale@shsu.edu'
Subject: RE: [Finale] whatever works
Deluxe Music Construction set. Now there is a blast from the past.
-Original Message-
Of Lawrence David Eden
I can only hope that the boys
On Aug 5, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
My daughter and I are playing in the pit orchestra for a production
of Peter Pan. The books are distributed by Samuel French Warehouse
out of Hurleyville, NY.
In my 40 years of show playing, I have never seen parts so poorly
On Aug 5, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Bob Morabito wrote:
On Fri Aug 3 at 14:29:42 , David W. Fenton wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the same stubbornness that caused
you to refuse to do the Finale tutorials in full will cause you
problems learning Sibelius, too.
I think comments like the
Thanks jef,
I will set the tone to even lighter than I now have it set, and maybe
that will help me to deal with this.
Now - another problem: I am trying to find out how to re-size measure
reduction using the selection tool (as you used to be able to do with
mass edit), and I find I
On Aug 5, 2007, at 12:21 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Yes, but Finale's Chromatic Transposition is seriously flawed
compared to Sibelius's, which allows one-click enabling of the
option (Atonal/Open Key is a key signature, a separate key
signature choice from C major)
But in Sibelius
On Aug 4, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
Hi Ray,
Linked parts takes some getting used to, but it does work pretty
well for me. I find TG Tools (the full deal) particularly useful
in transferring all or part of a part layout from one part to
another (TG Tool
On Aug 4, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
Bruce K H Kau wrote:
I don't know about Mac, but on the PC platform, the limitation is
that Finale doesn't support Unicode.
Thanks, Bruce. I figured out what to do. My mistake was trying to
copy/paste the characters from a Unicode
On Aug 4, 2007, at 8:38 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 08:19 PM 8/4/2007, Bruce E. Clausen wrote:
Also, call it petty,
as a composer, I resent having to work around having to use key
signatures.
Though my work is tonal, it is highly chromatic and sigs are
annoying.
Further, as a horn player,
On Aug 5, 2007, at 6:07 AM, dhbailey wrote:
You don't need to use the mouse to do everything in Sibelius any
more than you need to use the mouse to do everything in Finale.
Unless you're on a Mac, where you need the mouse a lot more than on
Windows for Finale.
I have long envied
Without in any way excusing Finale's lack of Unicode support, I should
clarify that my solution is text-based. That is, I did not have to
import the kanji characters as graphics, and their positioning is as
consistent as any text block in Finale.
Christopher Smith wrote:
Hey, Robert (and
On Sun Aug 5 16:16:39 Christopher Smith wrote:
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On Aug 5, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Bob Morabito wrote:
On Fri Aug 3 at 14:29:42 , David W. Fenton wrote:
It will be interesting to
On 5 Aug 2007 at 11:29, Steve Schow wrote:
I haven't been lurking on this list very long,
Take that thought and meditate on its implications for a while.
but the impression I
That's the keyword in everything you've said...
have so far is that a large majority of the chatter on here is
On 5 Aug 2007 at 17:16, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Aug 5, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Bob Morabito wrote:
On Fri Aug 3 at 14:29:42 , David W. Fenton wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the same stubbornness that caused
you to refuse to do the Finale tutorials in full will cause you
On 30-Jul-07, at 8:40 AM, shirling neueweise wrote:
am i correct in thinking the vocal lines should not be op^timized
out of piano solo passsages?
That is what I like, but according to the overwhelming majority of
music I see, the vocal staffs are optimised out.
Christopher
Dear Chuck,
MakeMusic has owned up to the fact that the help files don't come up
with some browsers, and they are working to fix that. There is a
work-around. You open your browser, go to the file menu and select
OPEN. Then you find Applications/Finale 2008/Help Files/Finale.htm.
When the
Thanks for the scolding. I rest my case.
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Of David W. Fenton
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:35 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: RE: [Finale] Goodbye Finale
On 5 Aug 2007 at 11:29, Steve Schow wrote:
So, when Finale 2009 come out then? ;-)
Harold Owen wrote:
Dear Chuck,
MakeMusic has owned up to the fact that the help files don't come up
with some browsers, and they are working to fix that. There is a
work-around. You open your browser, go to the file menu and select
OPEN. Then you find
Ah! Hal,
I had already put this bookmark in for this reason, but I had
forgotten it was there. Showing my age.
Thank you.
Chuck
On Aug 5, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Harold Owen wrote:
Dear Chuck,
MakeMusic has owned up to the fact that the help files don't come
up with some browsers, and
On 05 Aug 2007, at 5:22 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Aug 5, 2007, at 12:21 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Yes, but Finale's Chromatic Transposition is seriously flawed
compared to Sibelius's, which allows one-click enabling of the
option (Atonal/Open Key is a key signature, a separate key
On Aug 5, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I was thinking of the 9-flip enharmonic problem in Fin07 and 08. I
haven't done any kind of rigorous testing, but my impression is
that it's worse on staves set to Chromatic Transposition. In fact,
I'm not even sure if I've run into
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