Re: RE: [Finale] Resize tool for systems inoperative in 2009?

2008-07-29 Thread christopher . smith
Hi, Allen I'd just like to add my opinion to the others that we appreciate your presence here on the list, even if you aren't official and can't answer everything. And I am sorry that you act as a lightning rod for all our complaints, because even if you aren't official, you are still the

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.07.2008 Fisher, Allen wrote: That said, since I've distracted everyone from discussing Finale by accidentally including my signature and taking a vacation day, I think it's best that I shut up for a while. Well, you see that is partly why people criticize you, I believe: as soon as

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.07.2008 Eric Dannewitz wrote: Still think you should strongly suggest to your employer that you be allowed to answer questions on this list (and perhaps others) in an official manner. Why not spend 30 minutes or so fielding questions (or someone fielding questions) rather than this we are

Re: [Finale] 2009 expression question

2008-07-29 Thread John Howell
At 2:15 PM -0600 7/28/08, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: John Howell wrote: Not until we can also leave page turns behind--and those are REAL distractions! Yeah, it's theoretically possible now with digital music stands, at GREAT expense and with the ever-resent danger of losing power! Which

[Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread Robert Patterson
Speaking of digital music stands. Losing power is a non-issue. I've been in concerts and rehearsals when the power went out, and believe me the show did *not* go on. And this was with good old-fashioned Manhassetts. (Remember that thing we need called light?) The biggest impediment for at

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread Robert Patterson
Tyler Turner wrote: Flexibility only works in Finale's favor if the implementation always makes it clear what the BEST method is in a given situation. It just sickens me to see one MM employee or ex-employee after another try to justify what is plainly a bull-headed, arbitrary, and

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread dhbailey
Tyler Turner wrote: --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Robert Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What augers worst for me in this attitude is the clear Sibeliusation trend. Sibelius always took knocks because it wasn't as flexible as Finale. When the Finn brothers were in charge Sib was willfully

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread Tyler Turner
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Robert Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It just sickens me to see one MM employee or ex-employee after another try to justify what is plainly a bull-headed, arbitrary, and user-underestimating decision. I have yet to see a single actual, you know, *user* argue

[Finale] Finale 2009 Mac Firewire/Intel issue?

2008-07-29 Thread Bob Shuster
Can anyone confirm or deny that this issue has been fixed? (Intel Macs with Firewire audio interfaces have left channel output only since 2008.) I'm waiting to upgrade until I find out! Also, has human playback been improved at all? I can't use it at all in 2008 (perhaps related to the

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread Robert Patterson
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Tyler Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that many people were using staff lists for situations where drag-apply really is much smarter. No argument with that here. What I'm saying is MM wants to force people to use drag-apply when staff lists are

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread Robert Patterson
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Tyler Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look on MakeMusic's forum. I looked. What I saw is a lot of people learning to live with an arbitrary limitation. I also saw a lot of posters who apparently don't need section-level staff lists, which is what the outrage

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Yes, yes, yes. This is absolutely true. Tyler, I'm glad you were able to articulate this fundamental issue so clearly. That summarizes 10 years of frustration for me. I have worked in the software business for 30+ years and pretty open to learning curve issues. I feel like I have been

Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Mac Firewire/Intel issue?

2008-07-29 Thread Leigh Daniels
Bob, this isn't directly an answer to your question but my work-around in 2008 was to leave my Metric Halo FireWire audio interface set in Audio MIDI Setup as the default input and output device. Then I ran a cable from the built-in Line Out of my Mac Pro into the interface. I still have to select

Re: [Finale] 2009 deliveries

2008-07-29 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I called MM today. They couldn't explain why my order had not shipped. Apparently it was just overlooked. They assured me it will ship today. If you are awaiting a shipment, I suggest you log on to the website and check to see if there is a tracking number for your order yet. If not, you

To Lurk or Not to Lurk... was: RE: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread Fisher, Allen
That's not why I'm quieting down. I unintentionally hijacked the 2k9 thread. I got a bit snarky with Eric D, and I apologize for that. I'd rather have you discussing the merits of the product than arguing about my presence here, especially on the 2k9 thread. That said, I will talk to someone

Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 2009 quits on launch

2008-07-29 Thread Michael Cook
I just got a reply from tech support. I'm posting it here, because maybe others will run into this problem (Finale 2009 only runs in the Admin account, in all others it crashes): Tech support wrote: Log-in to the Admin account but do not open Finale. Go to Macintosh HD=Applications and

[Finale] mid measure repeats

2008-07-29 Thread Jim Fischer
I was asked to create a piano accomp score for a Korean wedding song. the published lead sheet handed to me by the client was in 3/4 and had mid measure repeats [related to the two eighth note pickups.] Is this possible in Finale. I circumvented the problem with 2 endings and repeat bars.

[Finale] Re: Engraver slurs not avoiding articulations

2008-07-29 Thread Paul Hayden
Aaron Sherber wrote: In your staccato mark definition, is Inside Slurs checked? Arrrgg... How can I forget such basic stuff? Thanks, Aaron. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press 6319 Riverbend Blvd. Baton Rouge, LA 70820 Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 www.paulhayden.com

Re: [Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread toronado455
If the cost issues could be resolved this technology holds a lot of promise. Many orchestras have corporate sponsors and I can see a tie-in developing where the company that develops the technology is also a sponsor of the orchestra. The ePaper technology that is used for devices like the Amazon

Re: [Finale] Digital music stands (now totally TAN)

2008-07-29 Thread Randolph Peters
Robert Patterson wrote: Speaking of digital music stands. Losing power is a non-issue. I've been in concerts and rehearsals when the power went out, and believe me the show did *not* go on. And this was with good old-fashioned Manhassetts. (Remember that thing we need called light?) [snip]

RE: [Finale] mid measure repeats

2008-07-29 Thread Williams, Jim
Self-reply... Note that you will also have to adjust measure numbers if that's an issue. That's also a simple fix. Just create a new region using the measure tool. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Williams, Jim Sent: Tue 29-Jul-08 13:36 To: finale@shsu.edu

RE: [Finale] mid measure repeats

2008-07-29 Thread Williams, Jim
Hi... If the bar is split 1 and 2, then create a measure of 1/4 time, enter the notes and back-repeat, and hide the 1/4 time sig. For the other 2 beats, create a bar of 2/4, enter your notes, and hide the 2/4 time sig. Then go back to your normal 3/4. Jim

RE: [Finale] mid measure repeats

2008-07-29 Thread Fisher, Allen
There's a mid-measure repeats Plug-in in the plug-ins menu that does the split and fix the measure numbering. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Fischer Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:22 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] mid

RE: [Finale] Resize tool for systems inoperative in 2009?

2008-07-29 Thread Fisher, Allen
I wrote this up. I think the manual's right and the program's wrong. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:25 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Resize tool for systems inoperative in

[Finale] HP in 2008x

2008-07-29 Thread Henry Howey
The problems I experienced were caused by updating old files. Staff-associated objects turned out to be the culprits. Sadly this fix was not universal, so I had to be very inventive. MM has (I hope/believe) benefitted from this list, though they seem to be defensive about it and me;-) Keep

[Finale] OT: copying a CD on mac G4

2008-07-29 Thread Martin Banner
I have a Marantz dual well CD player/burner that I used in the past to copy CDs onto a blank audio CD to play either on that CD player or on the CD player in my car. Unfortunately, that Marantz unit is no longer working (the copying part of it, that is). Recently I tried copying a CD on my Mac

RE: [Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread James Gilbert
I've been using a MusicPad display unit for nearly 6 years and prefer it to printed music, especially when I have the foot pedal hooked up and can use it to turn pages. (I'm a pianist organist). In fact, I do not buy printed music anymore unless I can't find it in musicpad format. The battery

Re: [Finale] Resize tool for systems inoperative in 2009?

2008-07-29 Thread Carolyn Bremer
Good answer! -Carolyn On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Fisher, Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote this up. I think the manual's right and the program's wrong. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday,

Re: [Finale] OT: copying a CD on mac G4

2008-07-29 Thread Bob Morabito
Mac OS 10.4.10-Itunes 7 When burning a CD in ITunes go to Preferences-Advanced-Burning- and choose Audio CD- This should allow it to play anywhere--the reason it didnt play, I believe was that you either burned an mp3 or data CD Bob Morabito On Jul 29, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Martin Banner

Re: [Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread Robert Patterson
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:59 PM, James Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other than the simplicity of loading the music into the units prior to rehearsing, why would they need to be part of a network in rehearsal or performance? Isn't that enough? Right now a librarian drops a folder on every

RE: [Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread James Gilbert
Shows you what I know about orchestras. I thought the players kept their music from rehearsal to rehearsal so they could practice. Since they don't, it makes no since to go digital until the way orchestras operate with regard to music changes. (That is, until the players keep their music and be

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread David W. Fenton
On 29 Jul 2008 at 7:03, Tyler Turner wrote: The problem is that many people were using staff lists for situations where drag-apply really is much smarter. Then there is likely a user interface flaw that is encouraging them in that direction. This sounds like one of those blaming the users

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 04:27 PM 7/29/2008, David W. Fenton wrote: On 29 Jul 2008 at 7:03, Tyler Turner wrote: The problem is that many people were using staff lists for situations where drag-apply really is much smarter. Then there is likely a user interface flaw that is encouraging them in that direction. This

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread Robert Patterson
The irony is that MM has largely fixed the problem in the right way. They just gilded the lily by adding an arbitrary limit. On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like one of those blaming the users situations, where natural user actions lead to

RE: [Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread John Howell
At 3:49 PM -0400 7/29/08, James Gilbert wrote: Shows you what I know about orchestras. I thought the players kept their music from rehearsal to rehearsal so they could practice. Most do. Some may not. But if they do, that only expands the present technological problems. How would the

Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

2008-07-29 Thread David W. Fenton
On 29 Jul 2008 at 16:43, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 04:27 PM 7/29/2008, David W. Fenton wrote: On 29 Jul 2008 at 7:03, Tyler Turner wrote: The problem is that many people were using staff lists for situations where drag-apply really is much smarter. Then there is likely a user

[Finale] re: Finale 2009 Mac Firewire/Intel issue?

2008-07-29 Thread Bob Shuster
Thanks for the advice on workarounds folks, but I really just need it to be fixed! :) Well, I believe I'm answering my own question here. I downloaded the demo of Finale 2009, and while AU support is disabled in the demo, SoftSynth playback is not - and it still plays back left

Re: [Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread Ray Horton
I assumed that this future digital technology would NOT be propitiatory, so the musician could view it at home on his/her home computer. Forget each orchestra member buying a digital music stand for home to practice orchestra parts - that just ain't happenin.' RBH John Howell wrote: At

Re: [Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread Ray Horton
James Gilbert wrote: Shows you what I know about orchestras. I thought the players kept their music from rehearsal to rehearsal so they could practice. Since they don't, Many do, many don't. Depends on the gig and the player. I would assume any digital library system would allow access

Re: [Finale] 2009 deliveries

2008-07-29 Thread Ray Horton
Same thing happened to me two years ago, except I wasn't charged. I missed out on the whole linked parts discussion, patiently waiting for my copy which never came. RBH Craig Parmerlee wrote: I called MM today. They couldn't explain why my order had not shipped. Apparently it was just

RE: [Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread James Gilbert
This is getting way off topic for the list. My last comments. I should of said that I was being a bit sarcastic in my previous comments about orchestras and music stands. The technology and, I think in the world of music, many musicians are many years behind the rest of the public when it comes

[Finale] unsubscribe...

2008-07-29 Thread David Dubuc
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Re: [Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread Ray Horton
No, it is not a bad idea, and it's day will probably come. Already there are a few traveling shows out there that use the technology, but in traveling shows, nobody practices the music at the hotel, they go there to get away from the show they play 8 times a week. Allowances have to be made

[Finale] unlinking score and parts

2008-07-29 Thread Ryan Beard
Hi FinMac 2008b I'm trying to wrap my head around getting things to show in the score only and not in the parts and vice versa. Specifically, I want one text block to show only on the first page of the score and not in the parts. I want a second text block with the score/part name to show only on

Re: [Finale] unlinking score and parts

2008-07-29 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 07:53 PM 7/29/2008, Ryan Beard wrote: I'm trying to wrap my head around getting things to show in the score only and not in the parts and vice versa. Specifically, I want one text block to show only on the first page of the score and not in the parts. Place the block in the score. In the

[Finale] re: Finale 2009 Mac Firewire/Intel issue?

2008-07-29 Thread John Howell
At 5:32 PM -0400 7/29/08, Bob Shuster wrote: This seriously limits the usefulness of Finale to me - I think I'm officially tired of waiting for it at this point. Any good Sibelius lists out there? [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the list that's monitored by a Senior Product Developer, Daniel

Re: [Finale] unsubscribe...

2008-07-29 Thread Don Hart
Have you been here to this webpage? http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/options/finale On 7/29/08 7:01 PM, David Dubuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've been trying to unsubscribe from this digest for 4 days with no luck. My inbox has been inundated. Can you help me? Thanks, Dave Dubuc

Re: [Finale] unsubscribe...

2008-07-29 Thread David Dubuc
Yes Don. I've tried this about 5 timer now with no change. Thanks though. dd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

RE: [Finale] Digital music stands

2008-07-29 Thread John Howell
At 8:02 PM -0400 7/29/08, James Gilbert wrote: This is getting way off topic for the list. My last comments. As to the source of digital music. There is a publisher that has over 80,000 titles available in the freehand music, music pad format. I also sell many of my own arrangements in that

Re: [Finale] unlinking score and parts

2008-07-29 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Ryan, Without wanting to sound like I am getting all RTFM on you, the Finale documentation on linked parts is EXCELLENT. It goes through all of this stuff in a very clear and practical way. It really is a gem of technical writing, and it explains the use of hide/show and the override

Re: [Finale] unsubscribe...

2008-07-29 Thread Carolyn Bremer
Just to double check -- you enter you email address in the box by the unsub button, get to the next page where you enter your password and click unsubscribe and still nothing works? -Carolyn On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:15 PM, David Dubuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Don. I've tried this about 5

[Finale] Finale loads slowly

2008-07-29 Thread Giz Bowe
I'm assuming it's the Garritan/VST add-ons. What can I safely remove yet still be able to hear playback? I don't need anything sophisticated - I use playback mainly for spell-check. Or is it the tutorials? What should I NOT load when I install Finale 2009 to speed up the opening process?

Re: [Finale] unsubscribe...

2008-07-29 Thread David Dubuc
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Re: [Finale] unsubscribe...

2008-07-29 Thread Carolyn Bremer
No -- I teach at Cal State Long Beach. -Carolyn On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:10 PM, David Dubuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lol Yes, that's correct. I just tried it again so..we'll see. Thanks for writing. dd p.s. do you teach at Sam Houston? ___

[Finale] Mic Notator

2008-07-29 Thread Barbara Levy
Hello! I'm crawling out of lurkdom to ask the collective wisdom: what opinions do you have (good, bad, indifferent) about the Mic Notator in F2008? Is it essential to have Finale's special mic for this? And will this mic also work for SmartMusic? I would find it SO much easier to input